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What was Michelle Kwan's peak year?

We don't know what she had planned for 2006. Tarasova had a good grasp of COP, didn't she? I'm actually kind of glad we never had to see Michelle do a catch-foot spiral.

According to Michelle's TSL interview, Tarasova was trying to get her to do a Biellman, to which Michelle kept saying she simply could not do one. It was a cute/funny story. Also, as to the rumor that Tarasova gave Mao Michelle's Bells of Moscow LP, Michelle said she didn't remember slapping herself.
 
How long did it take for skaters to realize they could do 7 triples without a 3/3 if they did a 2 axel/3Toe?

Yu-Na Kim's mom realized it in 2005! :biggrin:

Meagan Duhamel also did 2Axel+3Toe that season - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqARr4FYRA0

I'm actually kind of glad we never had to see Michelle do a catch-foot spiral.

She had already done it before, though? Her famous Short Program at 1998 Nationals - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHfgjszz_Tk&t=2m30s
 
She had already done it before, though? Her famous Short Program at 1998 Nationals - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHfgjszz_Tk&t=2m30s

Still, in 1998 Michelle was seventeen. And the catch-foot is the weakest of her three positions even then (fan position is fine, though).

About spins, Michelle's best spin was the Y-spin (she did a change-foot here). This always seemed to me to be a little girl's spin that looks weird when performed by a grown woman.

OT. This video is preceded by a random You Tube ad. The one I just got was Olympic sprinter Allyson Felix ("Bounty Paper Towels pick up spills faster than Allyson Felix can run!") Allyson Felix is a good friend of Michelle Kwan. They both serve on the President's Council for Fitness, Sports and Nutrition, and are active in various organizations that support sports opportunities for women and girls. :)
 
Yikes I haven't run into any 2 minute ads yet (or any ads at all for that video?). Hope that doesn't become common.

We don't know what she had planned for 2006. Tarasova had a good grasp of COP, didn't she?

Tarasova was fairly knowledgeable but there wasn't any great rule-lawyering from her, nor a great understanding of Kwan herself from everything I know. We can see in the Totentanz SP she gave Michelle that the spiral sequence wasn't the best and the step sequence wasn't trying to be Level 4 as per the rules. Then of course how she was trying to force Michelle to do a beillmann, despite it not being needed. Tarasova was in charge of Gedevanishvili that year and there wasn't any noticeable attempt to take advantage of the footwork rules with her either, nor to maximize her point values in the LP.

Funny enough, a flying upright spin is still allowed in the SP for the Ladies to this very day. There's simply nobody that has done it.
 
Shame because I loved that spiral sequence in Totentaz even if wasn't really going with the music. I also liked her footwork even though it probably didn't check off the boxes for level 4...which nobody got anyway.

Morosov, love him or hate him, seemed to understand COP a lot better as evidenced by Arakawa's change in scores once she switched to Morosov before the Olympics and maximized the points as best she could.
 
I hadn't seen this performance in quite some time - Taj Mahal at 1996 Skate America. I'll have to change my earlier list, because this was the best version of the program I think. She went for a little more jump difficulty at Worlds with the Triple-Triple, but I'd say this version was her most nuanced and musical; I appreciate the program more now!
 
1998. I respect and fully acknowledge that she is a legend of this sport...arguably the GOAT, but my personal opinion is that she was highly overrated outside of being really consistent.
 
1998. I respect and fully acknowledge that she is a legend of this sport...arguably the GOAT, but my personal opinion is that she was highly overrated outside of being really consistent.

She was arguably the greatest of all time, but was highly overrated? You are a tough judge. What scores would you give to a skater who is not the greatest of all time?
 
She was arguably the greatest of all time, but was highly overrated? You are a tough judge. What scores would you give to a skater who is not the greatest of all time?

Michelle was propped up at times by the judges, '99 World Championships spring to mind when they were very generous to give her 4th place in SP with a fall on axel and wonky landing after lutz. I don't know what Imagine exactly meant though.
 
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^ It's a judged sport. Sometimes you will win a contest that you should have lost, other times you will lose a contest that you should have won.
 
1998. In terms of technical elements, she made improvements in the early 00s, but there just wasn't that same kind of magic in her skating after 1998.
 
Kwan is my favorite skater of all time, and she's the reason why I fell in love with this sport and still obsess over it to the point of posting on message boards about skating. That said, there were times when she got the benefit of doubt because that's just what happens in judged sports (as Mathman says). The most egregious I would think would be 1999 Worlds SP and 2000 Nationals SP (though I wouldn't call her placements there anywhere near a "robbery" but rather a difference of opinion). However, there were other times when I felt she was underscored and underrated (especially after the 2000 GPF). Any example of Kwan being propped up aren't any different or worse than any examples that one can bring up involving any of her top competitors.
 
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Michelle was propped up at times by the judges, '99 World Championships spring to mind when they were very generous to give her 4th place in SP with a fall on axel and wonky landing after lutz. I don't know what Imagine exactly meant though.

Ok I know I've talked about this before. However I have to agree with those who say that Michelle was "Held up" in 1999. IMO, Michelle should have been 7th after the SP. I was there for the event and IMO, she should have lost the SP to Anna Rechnio, Tatiana Malinina, and Elena Liashenko as well the top 3.
 
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To tell the truth, right now (2016) is Michelle's best year. The time will come when we will be saying, "I knew Michelle Kwan when she was just a figure skater." :yes:
 
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To tell the truth, right now (2016) is Michelle's best year. The time will come wen we will be saying, "I knew Michelle Kwan when she was just a figure skater." :yes:

True!!! She may become the First Lady of some state should her politician husband become a Governor.
 
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She was arguably the greatest of all time, but was highly overrated? You are a tough judge. What scores would you give to a skater who is not the greatest of all time?

By arguably, I meant she is considered GOAT by many. Sorry it was just poorly worded. My personal opinion is that she was overrated, but it's just one opinion.
 
True!!! She may become the First Lady of some state should her politician husband become a Governor.

It is Michelle herself whose political star is on the rise. As Director of Surrogate Outreach for the Hillary Clinton presidential campaign, she has not only been in charge of the schedules of many luminaries advocating for Clinton, but has also crisscrossed the country herself, organizing phone banks and giving pep talks to canvassers from Georgia to Maine and from Colorado, Arizona and Utah to California, Oregon and Washington. She is particularly active among AAPI (Asian-American and Pacific Islander) organizations and college students (although most of the latter went for Bernie Sanders. ;) ). Not to mention, they trot her out whenever the need someone to give a tour of the national campaign headquarters in Brooklyn to representatives of the press. :)

Michelle has positioned herself for such responsibility ever since obtaining her master's degree in International Law and Diplomacy from the prestigious Fletcher School at Tufts University in 2011. In fact, to join the campaign she took leave from her job as Senior Advisor at the U.S. State Department, where she served under three Secretaries of State, Condoleezza Rice, Hillary Clinton and John Kerry.

Nevertheless, I don't think that she has the soul of a partisan politician (or the lack of one, I should rather say). She seems much more at ease wearing her "I can make a difference" hat. She was appointed by President Obama to the President's Council on Fitness, Sports and Nutrition, and she juggles participation in a large number of organizations that advocate for women's and girls' sports, and more generally for international women's leadership opportunities. The love of her heart is her continuing work with the Special Olympics, where after several years of serving on the board of directors she was recently promoted to Treasurer.

Anyway, if Hillary Clinton becomes President, opportunities will open for Michelle to take on more responsibility in Washington, DC. And if Donald Trump wins, well, he has always been a fan and supporter of figure skating. ;)
 
Who would you consider to be better, Imagine?

While there are a few times Kwan got a higher placement than deserved, she was also held down after the 1999/2000 season GPF, as someone was saying. The judging got dumb during that period, with Slutskaya receiveing way too high of scores on the second mark. Kwan should have won that SP at 2000 Worlds, she just made a tiny mistake, the overall program was still superior to everyone else.

2000/2001 season she should have beaten Slutskaya everywhere, both SP and LP....except for the 2000 Masters LP, where Slutskaya did one of her best performances ever and Kwan's program was total vanilla. Then in 2001/2002 Kwan definitely, definitely should have beaten Slutskaya at the GPF. The Olympics is more debatable, but still not very close to me, Kwan had actual choreography and interpretation, whereas Slutskaya gave one of her most dour LP performances. Kwan definitely should have beaten her in the LP at 2002 Worlds too (and overall, realistically, but the placement system with the qualification round during this time period deflated the relative value of the LP).

1999 Worlds SP wasn't a good competition but talking about the placements can be amusing, there were a lot of variables happening. I would have scored those Short Programs like this:

01. Maria Butyrskaya, 5.6/5.7 - a totally average program and technically there were small flaws (weak landings on the Lutz and Axel, free leg on the Layback), yet in this competition that's enough just because she skated relatively clean with some maturity.
02. Vanessa Gusmeroli, 5.6/5.6 - the tech elements were pretty much equal to Butyrskaya, the jump combo was slightly more shaky but the spin combo was more difficult. The transitions are just a little weaker here and the musical interpretation a little less on point.
03. Julia Soldatova, 5.6/5.5 - a technically solid SP (but not good technique on the Flip), which is enough to put her up here despite a superficial presentation.

04. Michelle Kwan, 5.3/5.8 - not a very good showing for her, but still considerably better skating quality, musicality, and refinement than most of the people here.
05. Anna Rechnio, 5.5/5.5 - tons of speed, strong edges, and huge jumps, but slightly two-footed on the Lutz and where is the required footwork going into the Flip? She does one forward cross and that's it. Also a weak layback spin and not a memorable program.
06. Diana Poth, 5.5/5.5 - the 3Toe+3Toe can be considered equal to 3Lutz+2Toe, but the 2Axel here was wonky. A fairly enjoyable program, because she is energetic and the choreography itself is mostly good (just not that last spin position), but it's rather cheesy when set to this music. Her posture at times and the way she rushes a couple of the moves doesn't help.
07. Lucinda Ruh, 5.2/5.8 - THIS WAS THE BEST PERFORMANCE. Unfortunately her jumps were not competitive but the spins must be accounted for on the technical mark; I'd say she deserves anywhere from 4th to 7th place here depending on how you credit them.

08. Elena Liashenko, 5.4/5.5 - a fine enough performance, but small technical flaws all over the place - no flow on the jump combo, wrong edge on the flip, squeaky axel landing, last spiral position shaky, slightly short on required sit spin revolutions if you want to get picky.
09. Yulia Lavrenchuk, 5.5/5.3 - speedy but very simplistic and back-pumping. Huge triple jumps although wrong edge on the Flip.
10. Sarah Hughes, 5.4/5.4 - flawed technique on the triple jumps and immature musical interpretation and edge work, but her positions and attention to choreographic detail is good.
11. Tatiana Malinina, 5.4/5.3 - significant mistake on the jump combo, lack of flexibility in the spiral sequence, lackluster spins, a bland program, and she skated scared.
 
About the 1999/2000 Grand Prix Final (this was the only time that Michelle outjumped Irina but lost, right?), that was back in the days that I thought all figure skating contests were rigged anyway. I said, "Yay! The ISU gave the GP Final to Irina. That means they are saving Worlds for Michelle."
 
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