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Hmm. Well... that music certainly is... interesting.
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Hmm. Well... that music certainly is... interesting.
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^Tell me this is a joke. Brian's music is just awful.
What the hell is that!? Yes, it's certainly "interesting" and not overused... I like the fact he ended the program with a step sequence rather than CCoSp though.
IMHO the poor audio quality makes it sound worse than it really is. This type of music is not to everyone's taste, but personally I like it and I have both songs on my mp3 player (the first part of the music is "Genesis" by Justice, the second part is "Phantom Pt. II" by Justice). I heard the songs for the first time on "Misfits" and they grew on me.
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I have no idea what you mean by K-S being mis-matched; they are no better or worse than other pairs. Yuko's skating powerless? You must not have been watching them too long, they have had great performances. Including last season when they only trained for ½ a season due to injuries and surgeries.
This is the main reason why some teams no matter how good they look, can do no right and some teams no matter their flaws, can do no wrong. It's just a part of being human that people think that way.
This may also be why with as good as Volosozhar's/Bazarova's posture is they skate like an unemotional blocks of wood; it doesn't matter who the choreographer is, they skate the way they skate and good/bad choreography won't change that.
I also think who is #1 and #2 in any country is taking far too seriously. Look at what happened to MT-M from Canada last year, they weren’t the best team in Canada at Worlds. Anything can happen at any competition depending on how people skate.
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When was Volosozhar "an unemotional block of wood"? She is very emotional when she skates.When emo Max was with Maria, people blamed Maria for their generic programs. They said because Maria couldn't handle choreography, they can't have a good program. Fast forward to now, emo Max still couldn't come up with a decent short or long program. No transitions, no choreography, nothing. I think he's very limited.
V/T are like the Zhangs, so boring, so sad.
V/T are like the Zhangs, so boring, so sad.
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I love Joubert's new SP. Great style for him. Except that really terrible half-Y spin he tries to do in the combination spin. W-T-F was that?
V/T's new SP...they won't be using lyrics, right? Because if they do it will be one of the most grating programs ever. I see they are trying to do a throw Triple Flip and I don't think it's a smart move to copy the Germans. They should be brave and try a throw Triple Axel to set themselves apart or otherwise stay with the throw Triple Loop.
Their LP has the right idea but I don't think they need the arm flapping. They should be more violent. Like, I want to him him flat-out SLAP her. That would be effective.
V/T's new SP...they won't be using lyrics, right? Because if they do it will be one of the most grating programs ever. I see they are trying to do a throw Triple Flip and I don't think it's a smart move to copy the Germans. They should be brave and try a throw Triple Axel to set themselves apart or otherwise stay with the throw Triple Loop.
Their LP has the right idea but I don't think they need the arm flapping. They should be more violent. Like, I want to him him flat-out SLAP her. That would be effective.
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I disagree that M/T's programs were weak. Transitions aren't the end all to skating, though I realize some people think they are. I felt Maria and Maxim had some good SPs that played to their combined strengths, and based on their scoring, I think the judges agreed. Their problem was that they lacked consistency, had weak LPs, and obviously, their personal issues. I know Max has since referred to the programs he did with Maria as "lyrical snot", and while I agree they didn't have a great range in their programs, I think this perception has same basis in their other problems.
As for V/T, the programs are awful, for which I blame Morozov. The Russian fed finally has a super-pair and they're sending them to Morozov? Why? This material is just not competitive with a Steuer program, and they will have to count on reputation and S/S making mistakes if they want to beat them (I recognize that S/S making mistakes is hardly unheard of
). Max had better programs with Maria. Tatiana has better programs with Stas, for all that he was a limited skater. They are too good a pair to be given such boring choreography.And her LP costume is hideous.
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This program would work better if he wore a powder blue tux with sequines...but not bad.
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Tatiana
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That is pretty much her only emotion. It looks like she just ate bad seafood or just woke up from a nap. Trankov is just the opposite, he emotes too much and his exaggerations are starting to look ridiculous. I don't hate the choreography, just the execution.
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...And those two bad pictures prove that she is unemotional... Ooookkkkk. I see a lot of emotion in her when she skates and it's not just a facial expression (although she usually has good facial expressions). But emotion is not limited to that. Arm movements and overall presentation can generate emotions. A person can just stand and show emotion.
http://www.google.com/imgres?q=volo...ndsp=22&ved=1t:429,r:19,s:45&biw=1366&bih=635
Is this picture emotional or is she still eating bad seafood?
How about this one?
http://www.google.com/imgres?q=volo...rt=67&ndsp=22&ved=1t:429,r:4,s:67&tx=66&ty=38
Or this one?
http://www.google.com/imgres?q=volo...=57&ndsp=19&ved=1t:429,r:18,s:57&tx=110&ty=97
Have you thought about the fact that this is just how her face looks when she is skating?
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The first two look like the exact same face (which is the same face I posted :think: )
The second one looks like she is in pain, yet Max looks fine, I wonder what they are trying to express?
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The first two look like the exact same face (which is the same face I posted :think: )
The second one looks like she is in pain, yet Max looks fine, I wonder what they are trying to express?
You're still looking at her face? Have you never seen bad pictures of good figure skaters with good emotions? Or is the only thing you look at is the face and how you think it looks unemotionless? Of course, that's what matters. An unemotional block of wood in my dictionary is not a person with strange facial expressions, but just that, a block of wood. For example, Timothy Goebel. He moved like a log. It doesn't matter what the expressions are. I disagree with you. Do all skaters have to have smiling clown faces for you to say "Yes. That is very artistic. She is not an unemotional block of wood because she has a great smile." What are your examples? Can a person not show passion? Maybe that is the only way her face can show those emotions. Or should the poor girl have plastic surgery because you think it's unemotional? These are normal expressions of people.
For example:
Aliona with her mouth open, yawning
http://www.flickr.com/photos/andomiki/4167593261/
Here is another weird expression.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/andomiki/4167593259/
And another one.
http://www.google.com/imgres?q=alio...=153&ndsp=24&ved=1t:429,r:2,s:153&tx=78&ty=57
These are bad pictures but they don't make Savchenko an unemotional skater.
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Also, mousepotato, who do you think is more expressive on the ice? I mean, you've defended K/S before, but I can't imagine anyone saying she is a more expressive skater than Tatiana.
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Interesting. It's entirely possible that Tatiana simply looked better when paired with Stanislav than she really was. But I watch Kavaguti with Smirnov, and I think he's considerably better. I'll have to watch some of their programs and focus on her, but while I've found her reserve somewhat fascinating, I wouldn't label it expressive.
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Well, most competing skaters aren't on an International Panel and believe me when I say " It is very likely that at least HALF, if not more, of the judges on an international panel.... Have lived for 4 decades or more "
I have always admired Lori as she is one of, if not the most, musical choreographers in skating. However, ( Speaking for Myself ) It is unrealistic for any skater who uses a " Work Horse " cut of music, not to think they're taking a risk. I think Lori knows and understands completely how badly things could turn out. Lori is a smart woman and Patrick has a ton of talent so, what could possibly go wrong ?
I've heard this type of conversation between judges hundreds, that's right, hundreds of times. { Not about Patrick or Lori
}Judge # 1
" What on earth is Lori doing having Patrick skate to that old Kwan Music ? " " What's it called ? " " Anarama ?? "
" I can't remember. " " All I know is, I was sick of it when Michelle did it and when was that ? 2003 ? " " Ugh... "
Judge # 2
" Well, you know Lori, I'm sure she's thinks Patrick can tell a different story than Kwan and I'm really looking forward to it. "
Judge # 1
" Look ! " " He could set himself on FIRE and I still won't buy it ! " " He's the World Champion and I don't think it's too much to ask for something original "
Judge # 2
" Are you kidding ? " " Name 5 original music cuts by the winner at worlds. " Judge # 1 :think: Judge # 2
" Exactly "
The fact is, judges talk. I hear it at EVERY competition and I've been a Head Judge for almost a decade. As you can see, you never know who'll be on the panel, or which of the above Judges will fall on Patrick's panel. The only thing a skater can control, is how they skate.
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That's really weird. When I watch K&S, I always watch her. I think she's a better partner and basically commands all the attention. She's a bit awkward, but that's all the flaw I can find in her. They said she's faster, stronger, has beautiful line, etc... Look like some experts at home have quite a different opinion.
Smirnov is a great partner, he shows her well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imxrnTTBZZk
This program was 3-4 years old, they were just together, and their programs were already superior to V&T's this year. The problem with K&S is their inconsistency. They go so well together. Most commentators (the Brits, Peter Caruthers) agree. I think they are the best pair all around.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvEdJMaQet8&feature=related
Someone said her line is bad. If Yuko's line is bad, what's good? :think:
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