2014-2015 GPF Mens Short Program 12/12

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That's what I am worried about.
I think that was the reason why men had splat-fest in Sochi

Both the ladies and men had 24 hrs in Sochi.

 

[leolion11]

But don't the skaters skate on back-to-back days at GP events? There's not usually a rest day, is there?

Yeah I was under the impression that it's pretty normal for skaters to skate on back-to-back days. I think the olympics was just different. Maybe because the schedule was different? Perhaps press conferences + interviews + practice at weird timings made the difference at the olympics.

 

[Alba]

Why exactly do the men get <24 hours to recover/prepare for the free but the ladies get almost 48 hours? You'd think the men with their quads would need more rest.

I guess for the same reasons that men are able to do the quad. They are stronger.

 

[sajoya]

LOL @ all the threads after every competition

When a skater gets unfair scores, rightfully everyone would be attacking the judges like: "BOOOOO!!!! SCREW YOU ALL!!!! WE DEMAND JUSTICE!!!!!"

BUT when a skater gets inflated scores, instead of attacking the judges, mostly everyone's like: "BOOOOO!!!! SCREW YOU!!!!! YOU'RE THE ERA OF INFLATION!!!! BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh, and to express my disapproval more, I shall go to all of your videos on Youtube and dislike them and write awful things about you!!!!" <---- I can take any criticism towards my favs (because I'm patient and understanding enough to deal with it), but this kind of behavior is so uncalled for! That is just as low as those obsessive Yuna & Mao-bots, spending their time and efforts to leave hate comments for both skaters

This behavior is getting pathetic and disappointing. I'm not saying everyone is behaving like this, but now and then I would see a couple of people spouting out this nonsense. It's not even criticism anymore but probably expressing your resentment towards that particular skater. Pitiful...:disapp:

But I digress; Javi I was hoping for a clean skate! I had a feeling that the pressure might get to him, but I didn't want to believe it. I really wanted him to win this! He can still medal, but gold is out of his reach now, unless a miracle happens! Could we possibly see another "TEB Men's Free Program" reenactment happening again here in Barcelona? Kidding of course, but if it does

 

[Skater Boy]

Woke up to find that Hanyu had scored 94, and thought, oh, he must have finally gone clean.

*shakes head* This is beyond a joke. I thought the days of inflation were bad, but it seems Hanyuflation is worse! No way should anyone be cracking 90 with a fall!

ITA but I thought we weren't allowed to use made up words especially in respect to skaters - in fact I got a nasty warning. I think we can say in our opion with the error Hanyu was overscored and some may deduce that the pcs would have been affected as well with the error.

 

[Alba]

LOL @ all the threads after every competition

When a skater gets unfair scores, rightfully everyone would be attacking the judges like: "BOOOOO!!!! SCREW YOU ALL!!!! WE DEMAND JUSTICE!!!!!"

BUT when a skater gets inflated scores, instead of attacking the judges, mostly everyone's like: "BOOOOO!!!! SCREW YOU!!!!! YOU'RE THE ERA OF INFLATION!!!! BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh, and to express my disapproval more, I shall go to all of your videos on Youtube and dislike them and write awful things about you!!!!" <---- I can take any criticism towards my favs (because I'm patient and understanding enough to deal with it), but this kind of behavior is so uncalled for! That is just as low as those obsessive Yuna & Mao-bots, spending their time and efforts to leave hate comments for both skaters

This behavior is getting pathetic and disappointing. I'm not saying everyone is behaving like this, but now and then I would see a couple of people spouting out this nonsense. It's not even criticism anymore but probably expressing your resentment towards that particular skater. Pitiful...:disapp:

:thumbsup:

 

[jkun]

Both the ladies and men had 24 hrs in Sochi.

I think the problem is that the men seem to be more adversely affected because of their more difficult content and the increased length of the programs +more elements. But that might just be the difficulty of their program in general. Rarely do we see men go clean in the free..

 

[lady_bee]

But don't the skaters skate on back-to-back days at GP events? There's not usually a rest day, is there?

I know it is “normal” for skaters to skate on back-to-back days, not only at GP but at other competitions; however, I don’t think “normal” does not have to be “correct” or “healthy”. (Is this expression all right? sorry my poor English)
Not only that, GPF has four days including Junior’s and GALA, so it could be scheduled better than GPs and give more than 24 hours rest for its competitors. ( Though, I know it is not easy because of commercial reasons)

As a casual fan, I just want see more clean performances from skaters in good condition.

 

[AprilS]

I wish that people who talk overscoring, underscoring, etc, would bring up the points more. Like, where would you take points away from x or add points to y? For which elements/PCS criteria? It's hard to have a discussion when points aren't used to support one side of an argument. The only really strong point that were brought up (that I can remember) were the -2's for hanyu's fall and the -3's for machida's quad, and that was addressed a couple pages ago with the calculated total bringing one's score 0.2 lower and the other's 0.14 higher.

Like, for example with Karne's post:
Why shouldn't a skater get over 90 with a fall? Should there be a rule that says the maximum should be 90? If so, why 90? Why not 85? Why not 95? Is it because 90 is an easily recognizable multiple of 10?

Another point is PCS- how much in posters' opinions should be taken away for a fall? 1 point? 2 points? 10 points? But that begs the question - what would skater x have started with if they hadn't fallen? Should the deduction come only from P/E? But how about those cases where skater z gets right back into their program vs skater w who skates around looking lost for a while? Or how about a skater who falls once vs a skater who steps out on every jumping pass?

 

[Interspectator]

Good point AprilS...So, purely on the technical GOE side, I think:
Hanyu should have gotten all +2s for his 4T and all -3s for his 3lz combo.

Vornov should have gotten all +1s and 2s for his quad-triple combo.

Machida should have gotten 0's for his quad combo.

 

[Meoima]

Machida should have gotten 0's for his quad combo.

Actually if they were not lenient, Tatsuki's combo might have been UR and he might have lost more points in TES. That would be more costly.

 

[peg]

I know it is “normal” for skaters to skate on back-to-back days, not only at GP but at other competitions; however, I don’t think “normal” does not have to be “correct” or “healthy”. (Is this expression all right? sorry my poor English)
Not only that, GPF has four days including Junior’s and GALA, so it could be scheduled better than GPs and give more than 24 hours rest for its competitors. ( Though, I know it is not easy because of commercial reasons)

As a casual fan, I just want see more clean performances from skaters in good condition.

Well, I'm sure that in training day after day they work themselves harder than skating one competition program, so I'm not sure there's anything problematic from a health perspective in competing back to back days. I'm also not sure that having 48 hours would necessarily improve performances. Maybe it's simply because they're doing so much difficulty and the ice is slippery. and nerves can get in the way...

But I do see your point that they probably could have staggered things more because the competition in total lasts more days.

 

[AprilS]

Good point AprilS...So, purely on the technical GOE side, I think:
Hanyu should have gotten all +2s for his 4T and all -3s for his 3lz combo.

Vornov should have gotten all +1s and 2s for his quad-triple combo.

Machida should have gotten 0's for his quad combo.

Neat. I agree about Hanyu's GOE, though I would have given Voronov +1's. I think the judge who have him -2 was either cray-cray or pushed the wrong button lol. I'm guessing you would have given Machida +2 for the 4T and -2 for the 3T? Personally, I would have given him -2 (he had a step out and the rest of the combo wasn't that great either and borderline ur imo) ... but then again, maybe I'm just harsh with my opinion of goe's In the same vein, I would have given hanyu -4 for his combo if that were possible lol (-1 for the lutz, and -3 for the toe)!

P.s. despite my own opinion, I'm actually more or less in line with the judges - my talking about my own opinion of goe's is because it's fun

 

[Alba]

Good point AprilS...So, purely on the technical GOE side, I think:
Hanyu should have gotten all +2s for his 4T and all -3s for his 3lz combo.

Vornov should have gotten all +1s and 2s for his quad-triple combo.

Machida should have gotten 0's for his quad combo.

Same here, but Machida -1

 

[wordsworthgirl]

^When Hanyu is on he's just that good. I don't think Tatsuki has that x factor yet... even when he's on. It's all a little paint by the numbers to me. It's been well constructed, but it doesn't feel authentic. Hanyu is very in the moment. I think it makes him less reliable, but there's a certain intangible. It wasn't taught to him, it's something he just understands.

I completely agree with this. I just don't think Machida is at Hanyu's level. and I think Hanyu performed brilliantly today with the exception of the fall. He showed a lyricism and maturity I haven't seen from him before.

Machida is unquestionably an excellent skater with great jump consistency and beautiful balletic line and extension, but he comes across to me as a bit studied, mannered, paint by numbers, as Lavender put it. I don't feel his soul in his skating the way I do in Hanyu's. There is also a slight diva quality to Machida that irks me- he almost stretches and extends in too calculated a way and his hair antics are a bit over the top.

I think the biggest scoring injustice today was Kovtun- he had a very weak performance as far as GOE goes and his skating skills are simply not at the level oft others.

My heart broke for Javi. He has such a brilliant short this year (best program he's ever had in my opinion) and to see him fall apart in that program in front of his family/friends/countrymen was so sad to behold. Agreed with those who thought Brian's hug was sweet.

Mura was really off today- I simply adore his textbook jumps- some of the best in the business- but without them being spot on, he sagged and lost energy. I also find his program relatively conventional and uninspired.

Voronov is everything I typically dislike in a skater/guy (no real dance quality or musicality, heavy emphasis on quads, stringy hair & weird facial hair, bizarre "macho" costumes0, and yet I weirdly really like him. I admire his tenacity, his chutzpah, and his incredible 4:3 combination!

 

[leolion11]

wordsworthgirl wow are you me that is practically everything that I thought about while watching their performances :agree:

 

[Interspectator]

I've been wondering where the disconnect could be in some viewers for Machida. He has excellently constructed programs and he is one of the more consistent skaters this year, not to mention he puts 100% into his performance at all times.

There are plenty of figure skaters who love to skate with loads drama and intensity that don't get the same criticism of being 'inauthentic' or maybe they do?
It may be that Machida seems to take him self way too seriously. Vornov and Misha have OT drama but a bit of a grin here and there so we know it's just skating, it's just fun. But Machida is like "THIS IS SERIOUS! I AM BEING AN ARTIST!" all the time -Could this be off-putting?
-That's why I liked his Queen 'having a good time' EX so much. It showed that he knew how to relax a bit and have fun.

 

[Sasha'sSpins]

Thanks to everyone for pbp. I'm really bummed about Javi.

I didn't like Caro's Bolero.

Neither did I. I especially disliked all the long pauses in that program. :disapp: I prefer her Mozart and 'Faun' programs.

 

[Alba]

I've been wondering where the disconnect could be in some viewers for Machida. He has excellently constructed programs and he is one of the more consistent skaters this year, not to mention he puts 100% into his performance at all times.

There are plenty of figure skaters who love to skate with loads drama and intensity that don't get the same criticism of being 'inauthentic' or maybe they do?
It may be that Machida seems to take him self way too seriously. Vornov and Misha have OT drama but a bit of a grin here and there so we know it's just skating, it's just fun. But Machida is like "THIS IS SERIOUS! I AM BEING AN ARTIST!" all the time -Could this be off-putting?
-That's why I liked his Queen 'having a good time' EX so much. It showed that he knew how to relax a bit and have fun.

I think you might be right, because I do love dramatic skating/programs. But he is way over-the-top, and his LP just put a big seal to that. I don't know but I don't like it. Sometimes you just don't feel a skater. It doesn't mean he is not "authentic". You can't win them all.

 

[Meoima]

It may be that Machida seems to take him self way too seriously. Vornov and Misha have OT drama but a bit of a grin here and there so we know it's just skating, it's just fun. But Machida is like "THIS IS SERIOUS! I AM BEING AN ARTIST!" all the time -Could this be off-putting?
-That's why I liked his Queen 'having a good time' EX so much. It showed that he knew how to relax a bit and have fun.

That's exactly what I've felt about Tatsuki's Firebird and his current programs. And that's also the comments I have found on several skating blogs (Morozombie, Rinkside cafe...) they all stated that they had the feeling Tatsuki were trying too hard and it affects his performance. He's great skaters IMO, still I don't feel very enjoyable.

I also love drama, for example Yagudin, Plushy...their dramatic programs have been my favorite of all time. But the nature of good drama is that, you don't have to try too deep to understand drama. It's showy and it's not that philosophical IMO.

It's the sport of the moment, like a musical show and people who are watching don't have much time to contemplate the meaning behind all the content which is supposed to be philosophy.