2014-2015 GPF Mens Short Program 12/12

[demarinis5]

I felt so bad for Javi what a disaster for him in front of his home country. It was difficult to watch the disappointment on his face in the K&C.
Brian was so sweet giving Javi a big hug when he stepped off the ice. Hopefully he got his nerves out of the way and will bounce back and have a
better FS tomorrow.

Hanyu's first two jumping passes were a thing of beauty, nice to see him back in shape. Very nice skating from the top three men!

 

[gravy]

inflation is out, but Hanyuflation has taken its place.

 

[Silvia451]

If Joshua pulls a Denis Ten, Joshua and his fans will have plenty to celebrate over. An Olympic bronze medal and world silver medal are nothing to sniff at

You're right, but Denis could do better than that I still hope he'll be a world champion one day.

 

[Sandpiper]

I don't necessarily agree with them; I was just breaking down the scores. Falls aren't penalized harshly enough, and there really needs to be some kind of bonus for jump combinations so the difficulty of a 4T-3T, for example, is recognized.

I know. I wasn't accusing anyone of agreeing/not agreeing with the rules. Just an observation. And, frankly, I'm a bit worried about how some of the scoring would affect audiences who are new to the sport (not talking about Machida vs. Hanyu--I'm talking about Voronov's scores and the boos they got).

Mathman said something very telling on an unrelated thread: "The ISU made its bed. Now they are lying in it." And that sums up... a lot of things.

 

[Red Helicopter]

inflation is out, but Hanyuflation has taken its place.

This happened almost 1 year ago, in Sochi.

 

[gravy]

This happened almost 1 year ago, in Sochi.

Eh, maybe. But I definitely would have given the OGM to Hanyu over Chan. His SP was

This season tho... talk about an OGM boost.

 

[yyyskate]

just watched Javi, he is so tense... Javi please "loosen up, loosen up..."

 

[Meoima]

just watched Javi, he is so tense... Javi please "loosen up, loosen up..."

Maybe he's still injured?

 

[yyyskate]

^Javi is injured? when?

 

[Orange Cat]

You're right, but Denis could do better than that I still hope he'll be a world champion one day.

This is true. I thought he should have been the champion instead of taking the silver back in 2012. I think there are several silver world medallists who ought to have been the champions in their respective years... (Dai, Denis, Machida, Kaitlyn and Andrew... anyway, stopping that thought before I enter a long tangent!).

Hanyu's score was generous considering the fall, but to be fair to him, the fall didn't seem to affect his performance much (at least for me); I almost forgot that he had fallen when he finished his program, and falls are normally quite unforgettable for me. I feel that Machida was overly penalised for errors that were virtually invisible in real-time, and Kovtun's more visible errors were not penalised as much in comparison. But that brings us back to the question of ISU scoring criteria...

 

[Meoima]

^Javi is injured? when?

After SA his knee had some injury.

 

[satine]

Even though there is plenty of debate going on here about scoring, it's nice to see it being respectful, when a lot of times these threads turn pretty ugly..

 

[cdngirl]

I totally agree..

and I also miss Chan's skating...

I respectfully disagree. I think Tatsuki Machida does have the "it" factor. His artistry and ability to become one with the music seems very real to me. You can see the emotion on his face as he skates. He moves with fluidity and I can't say that about many of the other current skaters. I guess the difference in opinion is just a case of "beauty is in the eye of the beholder" and that's why each skater has their own set of fans. Different styles appeal to different people.

 

[yyyskate]

After SA his knee had some injury.

javi was not in SA IIRC?

 

[yyyskate]

I respectfully disagree. I think Tatsuki Machida does have the "it" factor. His artistry and ability to become one with the music seems very real to me. You can see the emotion on his face as he skates. He moves with fluidity and I can't say that about many of the other current skaters. I guess the difference in opinion is just a case of "beauty is in the eye of the beholder" and that's why each skater has their own set of fans. Different styles appeal to different people.

kinda agree

 

[Meoima]

javi was not in SA IIRC?

Sorry Skate Canada. People were very worried for him at CoR. But he pulled through.
I am not sure about today, though. Javi were reported not doing well in the practice here so...

 

[FlattFan]

9.25 for Performance/Execution with a fall? -2's for a 3Z+3T combo that had obvious leans on both jumps, and a fall on the second? Like I said, it's insane that -3's can be given to Machida's quad combo, but Hanyu's lutz combo received -2's.

I will say that Hanyu should have had slightly higher GOE on his quad, IMO.

Hanyu has 6 -3 GOE on his combo. Only 3 people gave him -2.
Machida has 6 -2 GOE on his combo. Some are -1 and -3. Not sure how is Hanyu got better GOE than Machida?

 

[yyyskate]

^Figures crossed for him, I really really wish he can do well in his home ice...

 

[samson]

Hanyu has 6 -3 GOE on his combo. Only 3 people gave him -2.
Machida has 6 -2 GOE on his combo. Some are -1 and -3. Not sure how is Hanyu got better GOE than Machida?

If you look earlier in this thread we talked about this a few times. It's all in the factoring. a triple/triple is factored by .7 after the average GOE is found. A quad combo has no factoring in it. So while the judges did in fact give Hanyu a lower GOE for his combo, the factoring is what reduced the size of his penalty. Unfortunately that was not the case for Machida's combo.

It creates this interesting risk/reward dynamic on a lot of these elements. You potentially can get penalized much more for failing on a quad attempt, but you also can amass a lot more bonus points if you do it well.

 

[chairmanmao]

What's this talk about Machida being underscored? He is so over the stop it borders on cheesy. I just can't stand watching him emote his way through his programs. I've always like subtle emotion and movements on programs. For example I can never imagine ever liking Parisians Walkways if it was performed by Takahashi because it would probably be filled with lots of hip shaking and lascivious moves. If only Kozuka was as good as a quad jumper as Machida then Hanyu could have a proper home rival. I am glad though that Machida is retiring soon and someone like Shoma Uno would replace him.