2014 Olympics Ladies Short Program

[Mista Ekko]

Yes, but that's just people annoyed that someone talented is upsetting what they thought would be the status quo. I mean, seriously? PCS can rise during a season when the skating calls for it. Mao 2012 GP, PCS=64, a few weeks later Mao=69. Yulia's PCS at SC was too low for the skating quality she had even then. 60.88 should have been at least 62-63, when compared to Mao receiving 71 at Skate America. Yulia started performing better COR, 64, even with the mistakes her IN and CH were much better. At GPF, you could tell that she was remembering the mistakes in her jumps at COR because she was much more tentative, though I still would have had her at 62 rather than 60.xx Yulia's gives skates that are miles better at Europeans and then the team event 68, 69. As long as Yuna, Mao and Caro receive 74, 73, 73 respectively for their deserving performances (I don't mean if for what ever reason they skate badly), then I won't be upset.

With regards to Gracie's scoring in the team event, since it was the placements that mattered and not the score it didn't bother me that she did not receive 62, 63 the way I thought she should have. If, however, she receives lower than 62 for a similar skate in the individual then I will have problems with how she was marked, not with how Yulia was marked.

The scoring difference between Lips and Gold in the Team event was a crying shame, 8 points difference in PCS ...

And that the Schindler's list FS is recieving over 8's for Choreography should make people pause.

 

[Mista Ekko]

BTW, Should someone maybe start a new thread called "Actual Ladies SP" ?

 

[NMURA]

I don't think the audiance here cares what triples you do, They mostly care if you're Russian or not

They care much about the judging and try to influence it. I think the Olympic judges are not daring enought to let the lowest BV win by outrageous GOE in front of the "knowledgeable" Russian audiences.

 

[Elaine]

They care much about the judging and try to influence it. I think the Olympic judges are not dare enought to let the lowest BV win by outrageous GOE in front of the "knowledgeable" Russian audiences.

I'm not sure the Russain audiance is really "knowledgeable". Surely they know who is Russian and who is not:sarcasm:

 

[Mista Ekko]

They care much about the judging and try to influence it. I think the Olympic judges are not daring enought to let the lowest BV win by outrageous GOE in front of the "knowledgeable" Russian audiences.

What is it with you and BV ?

 

[Sam-Skwantch]

BTW, Should someone maybe start a new thread called "Actual Ladies SP" ?

Maybe someone who thinks prejudicially

 

[NMURA]

What is it with you and BV ?

When the lowest BV wins it's always due to political favoritism. Even in ice dancing, the top teams have the highest BV. The judges should notice that easier programs could be skated "clean" more often. They should consider this point when giving favors to skaters (GOE and PCS).

 

[Elaine]

What is it with you and BV ?

She/he believes goddess must have the highest BV.
I care about BV of actually executed elements more than planned one because the consistency matters. And I care about the actual TES more than the BVs (executed and planned) because the quality matters.

 

[YunaBliss]

Highest BV doesnt' mean squat if you can't execute it. Otherwise, every skater would lay out a monstrously ambitious and unrealistic program, and just hope to complete 50% of it.

 

[NMURA]

She/he believes goddess must have the highest BV.
I care about BV of actually executed elements more than planned one because the consistency matters. And I care about the actual TES more than the BVs (executed and planned) because the quality matters.

TES is not so reliable because it includes GOE (=favors). I think they shouldn't give generous GOE to easier jumps (like 2A, 3S) at least in senior competitions.

 

[Sam-Skwantch]

Highest BV doesnt' mean squat if you can't execute it. Otherwise, every skater would lay out a monstrously ambitious and unrealistic program, and just hope to complete 50% of it.

Not the same degree but this is why I'm less drawn to men's skating. Too much reward in the face of failed risk. As much as I like Mao her 3a always kinda upset me in this sense.

 

[karne]

Go Brooklee!

 

[NMURA]

Highest BV doesnt' mean squat if you can't execute it. Otherwise, every skater would lay out a monstrously ambitious and unrealistic program, and just hope to complete 50% of it.

BV is very important. Skaters can control it with their own effort unlike GOE and PCS (=favors). I'm curious how much favors the lowest BV can expect at Sochi.

 

[enotic]

BV is very important. Skaters can control it with their own effort unlike GOE and PCS (=favors). I'm curious how much favors the lowest BV can expect at Sochi.

I've been following these threads for quite a while and wasn't really planning on writing anything, but you actually made me grow an urge to reply to ur posts (thanks, btw).
Like u said, I think the high BV is of great importance in competition, but what matters more is how well each element is executed. With high BV and each element(especially difficult jumps like 3A mao attempts) executed well, then the skater will be rewarded a deserving score after all. But the high BV alone is not gonna guarantee anything and without executing them well, it doesn't mean a thing.

In the end, GOE stands for GRADE of EXECUTION, not Grade of Planning.

 

[Jewels]

BV is very important. Skaters can control it with their own effort unlike GOE and PCS (=favors). I'm curious how much favors the lowest BV can expect at Sochi.

GOE and PCS are favors? lol this is one of the silliest things I've heard in this forum.:disapp: Say something logical will you?

 

[Anastasi14]

It's all up to the judges.
At least, the Russian audiences won't support a gold medalist with incomplete set of triples.

The audiences in Sochi are very different to the audience for example at World Championship 2011 in Moscow. The audiences in Sochi mostly know nothing about rules, jumps etc. They are mostly watch figure skating only at Olympics and support only Russians. A lot of them are celebrities who came only to take photo of themselves and post it on twitter. Some tickets were bought by companies and were given to the employees, who don't care about figure skating, they only want to watch the show where Russians will win.

 

[usethis2]

http://www.isuresults.com/results/owg2014/SEG003OF.HTM

All Russian Tech Specialists??

 

[NMURA]

GOE and PCS are favors? lol this is one of the silliest things I've heard in this forum.:disapp: Say something logical will you?

That is the most logical reading of "protocols" of London worlds.

I think Russian and Japanese judges can agree on "not giving too much favors" to the lowest BV. Maybe the American, Italian can follow. That will set the basic course of the judging.

 

[smoothiw]

Looks like some Mao fans are trying to cheer for Julia only because they don't want Yuna to win again. :think:
Maybe they think that Mao has no potential to win gold.
For example, tana :disagree::disagree: wrote

"Maybe they think that Mao has no potential to win OGM. Why do they think like that? Yes, I don't want Kim to repeat the olympic champion title because I don't believe she is as good as her fans claim her to be. But, bigger reason is because Mao is my sentimental favorite. I really liked what I saw from her practice videos before the team event and I was sure she was gonna nail her jumps. Sadly, nerves got to her and as much as I hate to say this, I'm afraid Mao may struggle in the individual event. Of course, if she nails all of her jumps and gets all level 4s in her elements, who else can claim the title but Mao? However, I want to be realistic while being hopeful so my obvious next choice would be Julia. Julia isn't as good as Mao when Mao is ON, but certainly better than Kim with only 6 triples and mediocre programs of this season."

This ugly propaganda reminded me of some Yuna fans who tried to cheer for Joannie only because they wanted to despise Mao on 2010.
They didn't even want Mao to get Silver.

How about just cheering for your favorite skater, not trying to bash the others?

I think Mao has experience that some young skaters didn't have.
This is her last game, I'm not quite sure of it, though.
She has potential to nail her dream program.
Some Mao fans here, please don't give up.
Make a wish badly that she will perform excellently instead of bashing Yuna, and cheering for Julia only because you hate Yuna.

Please believe in your favorite skater.
I think that belief and pure spirit will really work.

 

[yuki90]

BV is very important. Skaters can control it with their own effort unlike GOE and PCS (=favors). I'm curious how much favors the lowest BV can expect at Sochi.

Are you kidding me?
Jumps BV in SP
Julia = YuNa = Gold > Adelina > Caro.

FP
The gap between YuNa and Julia is only 3 points. Caro's BV is lower than YuNa.
You really think YuNa is desperately depends on GOE and PCS??
You just want to say Mao is doing 8 triples so she should win OGM.
Caro has the lowest BV among top Ladies not YuNa.