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Now he knows what it's like to be in D10's position in 2013 Worlds.... sour grapes aside, I don't think anyone is really happy at this Men's Event. It has just been a sad event. No one skated their potential.
2014 Olympics Mens Free Skate
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Now he knows what it's like to be in D10's position in 2013 Worlds.... sour grapes aside, I don't think anyone is really happy at this Men's Event. It has just been a sad event. No one skated their potential.
Speaking of Yan Han, my mind boggled at the judges lowering his PE, CH and IN marks that much. I mean it was a very decently choreographed program, in character of the music, with movements appropriate to a waltz recurring throughout and not just generic waltz movements but with this 'dark/morbid' twist so the "Hannibal" concept was there. He's still a bit shy and timid and blank-faced - he needs to work on emotional involvement and putting more energy into his movements - but he did skate to the music and it was a decent program. So I don't get the judging at all.
I mean of course you could argue that his SS are much better than anything else and that's what the judges meant. If that was their intention, than it's cool. But given Firus's marks in the SP, I highly doubt it. Plus when you look at Yan's marks' relative to other skaters, it seems fishy as well with for example Ten - who didn't have a better program IMO - scoring higher.
I mean of course you could argue that his SS are much better than anything else and that's what the judges meant. If that was their intention, than it's cool. But given Firus's marks in the SP, I highly doubt it. Plus when you look at Yan's marks' relative to other skaters, it seems fishy as well with for example Ten - who didn't have a better program IMO - scoring higher.
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No way. He had fantastic programs and great competitions, winning GPF and his silver with Garden of Souls/Blues for Klook at Worlds 2012. I wouldn't have wanted to miss this, never. I'm so glad he carried on after 2010 and the lacklustre 2011 when he was thinking of retiring. His knee was never the same after his surgery and it started to hurt this season again. That's why he wasn't competitive on the jumps anymore.
Just lower the quad and triple axel values. 3a value is not that bad I guess but quad values have gotten completely out of hand. Yes, it's important for sport to be moving forward but do we really want to see lots of programs with falls on quads?
And all because of the stupid Vancouver 2010 result whining and taking the whole 'less quads' thing completely out of context. IJS meant skaters had to work on spins and steps for the first time ever as well as actually start paying attention to program construction, so yes, of course that less quads were being attempted as a result.
I might need to get a t-shirt that says: I survived the 2014 Olympic men's event; that last time I felt this crushed involved Michelle Kwan...
Anyway, congrats to the medalists, and to their coaches - but especially Orser, he must be beaming with pride. I'm thrilled for Ten, but will just frankly admit that a) I liked but did not love his programs, but b) I do love his skating and truly hope that we get to see more of/from him
Highlights for me included Michael Martinez and Misha Ge (tweets and all). I was also pleased to see Brian Joubert skate well - I hope he feels at peace with his Olympic experience. And although I do feel it a kind of let down that it was quadless, I also hope Abbot feels better about this Olympics. Whether he retires now or after Worlds, I'd like to see him leave on a good note. I will truly miss his amazing programs. Same for Dai; perhaps not what he had hoped for, but he did create a nice moment and his skating will be something I treasure forever. I will admit that these programs were not my favorites of his, but I am so glad that there are so many great one to choose from.
I hope this proves to be an invaluable experience for Han Yan and Jason Brown, and I hope the can feel proud with what they accomplished and with open minds learn to work out kinks and continue to grow as competitors.
For Mrs. P - I would love for Chan and Brown to train together.
And Mathman, thanks for making me laugh- although it was pages and pages ago - the comment about maybe Chan and Hanyu should have skated the FS in the team event for practice. I think that was the first time I laughed all day!!!
Anyway, congrats to the medalists, and to their coaches - but especially Orser, he must be beaming with pride. I'm thrilled for Ten, but will just frankly admit that a) I liked but did not love his programs, but b) I do love his skating and truly hope that we get to see more of/from him
Highlights for me included Michael Martinez and Misha Ge (tweets and all). I was also pleased to see Brian Joubert skate well - I hope he feels at peace with his Olympic experience. And although I do feel it a kind of let down that it was quadless, I also hope Abbot feels better about this Olympics. Whether he retires now or after Worlds, I'd like to see him leave on a good note. I will truly miss his amazing programs. Same for Dai; perhaps not what he had hoped for, but he did create a nice moment and his skating will be something I treasure forever. I will admit that these programs were not my favorites of his, but I am so glad that there are so many great one to choose from.
I hope this proves to be an invaluable experience for Han Yan and Jason Brown, and I hope the can feel proud with what they accomplished and with open minds learn to work out kinks and continue to grow as competitors.
For Mrs. P - I would love for Chan and Brown to train together.
And Mathman, thanks for making me laugh- although it was pages and pages ago - the comment about maybe Chan and Hanyu should have skated the FS in the team event for practice. I think that was the first time I laughed all day!!!
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Daisuke in a nutshell. But he already has a Olympic Bronze Medal. Might've thought "Nah, don't need another!"
With a UR 3A and a << quad, he did not deserve a medal. And if he changed his 4T and 3A to 2As, he certainly didn't deserve it. Although his FS was the class of the field, IMO, tonight.
One thing I'm very glad about -- top 5 guys all hit at least one clean quad!
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If it means more guys trying quads, yes. I do not want to go back to 2010 when guys will avoid the quad in the SP and stick to just one quad in their LP just to play it safe. It's a bit selfish to want higher technical difficulty, but as you said it's important for the sport to move forwards.
He did get penalized. He lost 1 mark and GOEs. I thought Yuzu might land it 'cause he can land them in practices AND he almost did! He was so close....
I don't mind the rewards for landing the quads. I mind the little penalty they get for falling on them. The points of a triple lutz? Really. No. I don't think 4 points is enough penalty for a fall on a jump either.
This isn't about being mean this is about a competition.
He's been falling on them all season.
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Can someone explain to me the 3Lz-1/2L seq that Hanyu got on his protocol? He put his foot down after the 1/2L so the 3S would have been called in sequence?
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Going up I knew he wasn't going to land it. That's 5 major misses on the 4S in the past 5 competitions. :disapp:
'You fall so you're bad' constitutes a large part of skating forum discourse so I am surprised that you are surprised.
I mean you have people suddenly feeling sorry for Chan and wishing he'd have won even though he's 'the most overmarked skater in the history of the universe' and it's not like he didn't make mistakes either. But I guess since those mistakes weren't falls, it's cool.
I have never liked Chan and I don't feel sorry for him. There's a certain amount of poetic justice in him getting beat by someone who fell twice. However, much as I dislike his personality, am bored by his skating and disgruntled by his Zamboni butt past victories....I would much rather have seen him skate clean and win, than have both him and Hanyu stumble onto the podium the way they did. But that's how it goes sometimes. If Chan had skated clean and Hanyu still won, then I'd feel sorry for him, even though the irony would be delicious.
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Has Jeremy's quotes from today been posted here already? Been bouncing around different boards so it's kind of hard to keep track. Well in case it hasn't been posted, here's some lovely snippets
More quotes here
Ugh, why does Jeremy Abbott make it so hard to like Jeremy Abbott? I was rooting for him after his free skate and then I hear him open his mouth and it's like :disapp:
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I believe when you do a 1/2 loop, the combo ends up being called as a sequence. i.e. you can only do a 1/2 loop as part of a sequence combination.
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Hanyu looked like a kid running in a park, extremely busy, rushing up and down, AIMLESSLY! He looked childish. His second score is too high.
Chan looked like someone stepping into a minefield, scared, rigid….
Denis Ten’s program is the only one I really liked, so stylish and passionate, and will watch it again and again.
Chan looked like someone stepping into a minefield, scared, rigid….
Denis Ten’s program is the only one I really liked, so stylish and passionate, and will watch it again and again.
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Oh god, Jeremy. *face palm*
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I liked D10's too! There were some nice edges in the footwork and great charm. Some moments of sheer concentration for jumping broke from the interpretation, but it was a great performance otherwise.
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I thought the 1/2L thing got changed to a combo and gets the full bv w/out the 0.8 multiplier now, so do they just score it the same as a combo but still count it as a seq? I ask b/c Hanyu's 3S is not in the protocol unless I am missing it. Chan and Brown's 1/2L combos weren't called as sequences. So I thought it was b/c Hanyu put his foot down on the 1/2L that it got called a sequence.
I agree. He's going for the quadruple butt-jump because it gets him 6.50 anyways and he knows it. Why actually go with a programme you can excel doing?
I also don't particularly agree (although, again, I'm not a regular fan ) with the idea that there is a "forward" direction of a sport and that it implies a higher degree of difficulty per se. In other words , did this final go "forward" or "backward" compared to 2010?
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