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2015-16 Grand Prix assignments

I think AlexRus is referring to a reaction from skating poorly at home.
Yes.
Adelina's score at Rostelecom-2012 is lowest of all her Internationals, including Junior.
Not so good skating of Julia at 2013, Anna at 2014.

On the other hand, Evgenia Medvedeva told that she loves to compete in Moscow.
http://www.team-russia2014.ru/article/22136.html
She was 2nd at Moscow Event of Russian Cup 2011 (and earned spot at Senior Nationals because of this - very good for 12-years-old girl), and at 2012 she won Moscow Event of Russian Cup (Junior).
 
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There are 5 Challenger Series events before the start of the GP: US International FS Classic, Nebelhorn, Nepela, Finlandia and Mordovian. The winner of each of these, if she/he/they doesn't/don't already have two GPs, automatically goes to the top of the substitute list. There are two more Challenger events before NHK that could add names to the substitute list (Ice Challenge and Tallinn Trophy).

The remaining Challenger events are later in the fall season.

A host nation can choose any name from the top 5 on the substitute list, not necessarily the top name, though.

You seem to have more knowlege on GP qualifications than most of us. So is the substitutes list you reference made entirely from Challenger series results, to the exclusion of the SB list or the World Standings list, or is there some combination where these various lists are all factored in? If there is a withdrawal before any Challenger Series events, does the Fed with an opening choose from the the substitues list made of the SB list, or the WS list, or does the host nation need to wait until a Challenger Series event before choosing a replacements? It's all confusing to me.
 
If there is a withdrawal before any of the Challenger events, the host nation can choose from the top five on the Seasons Best list right away, or wait to see who will become eligible based on an upcoming Challenger event. The Seasons Best list is the sole source of substitute candidates; a Challenger winner automatically goes to the top of the SB list. Of course that doesn't mean the host has to select the top name on the list---some hosts may want to give their own skaters a chance to place well.

Last season, most hosts replaced vacancies fairly quickly and didn't wait for Challenger events. Generally, hosts opted for less competitive replacements rather than more competitive ones. Anyway, Liza T. won many of those events last season and she already had two GPs.
 
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If there is a withdrawal before any of the Challenger events, the host nation can choose from the top five on the Seasons Best list right away, or wait to see who will become eligible based on an upcoming Challenger event. The Seasons Best list is the sole source of substitute candidates; a Challenger winner automatically goes to the top of the SB list.
Past season most of Challenge Series Events (6 of 10) won Ladies, who had two GP Events at initial distribution. 1st won Polina EDMUNDS, 2nd Satoko MIYAHARA, 3rd, 5th and 9th Elizaveta TUKTAMYSHEVA, 6th Gabrielle DALEMAN.
Four others who won (Roberta RODEGHIERO 4th, Angelina KUCHVALSKA 7th, Hannah MILLER 8th, Kiira KORPI 10th) had no GP Events at 2014.
 
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Uh, that would be after singling a flip in her SP, and having 3 falls (one of them UR) in her LP along with other minor errors and missed levels. She is a completely different skater since then. And it's been a while since she's had a competition with the equivalent of 4-5 major errors.

The Grand Prix Final in 2013 was not all that long ago. Do you need to be reminded of that performance? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxM6UxkIW64

I see:
1.) Big stumble on 3f
2.) Popped planned 3lo to 1lo
3.) Falls on second 3f and
4.) Misses planned 3 jump combo
5.) Falls on 3s
6.) Scary landing on final 2a

Yes, a completely different skater. Mind you this was 3 months before her Sochi win and her score was 45 points lower :shocked: . I know she was a hot mess here but still, 45 point improvement in 3 months?
 
I know she was a hot mess here but still, 45 point improvement in 3 months?

That happens with inconsistent skaters. Mao Asada skated a 85.45 LP at NHK then a 132.89 LP at 4CC 3 1/2 months later in the 2010-2011 season. Carolina skated a 83.04 LP at CoC then a 120.4 LP at Worlds in 2007-08, as well as a 110.65 LP to a 142.61 LP in the 2013-2014 seaosn. Akiko went from 103 to 133 in a month at the end of the 2012-2013 season. You act like it's unheard of but it happens with top skaters who skate very well sometimes and poorly sometimes.
 
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That happens with inconsistent skaters. Mao Asada skated a 85.45 LP at NHK then a 132.89 LP at 4CC 3 1/2 months later in the 2010-2011 season. Carolina skated a 83.04 LP at CoC then a 120.4 LP at Worlds in 2007-08, as well as a 110.65 LP to a 142.61 LP in the 2013-2014 seaosn. Akiko went from 103 to 133 in a month at the end of the 2012-2013 season. You act like it's unheard of but it happens with top skaters who skate very well sometimes and poorly sometimes.

And even with consistent skaters - Yu Na scored 123.22 for her LP in december (GPF) and then 150.06 two months later in Vancouver.
 
And even with consistent skaters - Yu Na scored 123.22 for her LP in december (GPF) and then 150.06 two months later in Vancouver.

She got a 111.70 at Skate America that season, too.
 
She got a 111.70 at Skate America that season, too.

A step-out (3T), a fall (3F) and a pop (3Z) were primarily responsible for that 38+ point difference. It shows that's big mistakes can send your score far lower, no matter how good of a skater you are.
 
A step-out (3T), a fall (3F) and a pop (3Z) were primarily responsible for that 38+ point difference. It shows that's big mistakes can send your score far lower, no matter how good of a skater you are.

yup... gets even worse for men and their quads =D
 
That happens with inconsistent skaters. Mao Asada skated a 85.45 LP at NHK then a 132.89 LP at 4CC 3 1/2 months later in the 2010-2011 season. Carolina skated a 83.04 LP at CoC then a 120.4 LP at Worlds in 2007-08, as well as a 110.65 LP to a 142.61 LP in the 2013-2014 seaosn. Akiko went from 103 to 133 in a month at the end of the 2012-2013 season. You act like it's unheard of but it happens with top skaters who skate very well sometimes and poorly sometimes.

yup... gets even worse for men and their quads =D

Hanyu went from 152 (NHK) to 194 (GPF) in two weeks...
 
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That happens with inconsistent skaters. Mao Asada skated a 85.45 LP at NHK then a 132.89 LP at 4CC 3 1/2 months later in the 2010-2011 season. Carolina skated a 83.04 LP at CoC then a 120.4 LP at Worlds in 2007-08, as well as a 110.65 LP to a 142.61 LP in the 2013-2014 seaosn. Akiko went from 103 to 133 in a month at the end of the 2012-2013 season. You act like it's unheard of but it happens with top skaters who skate very well sometimes and poorly sometimes.

But those skaters you mentioned were much more proven in international competitions then Adelina who besides a couple Silver medals at Europeans had never even won a GP event or any event other then a Senior B competition a couple years earlier.
 
But those skaters you mentioned were much more proven in international competitions then Adelina who besides a couple Silver medals at Europeans had never even won a GP event or any event other then a Senior B competition a couple years earlier.

So only if you are a "proven" skater is a 47 point jump acceptable? Gracie Gold had a 30 point jump in the Olympic year for her LP and her Sochi skate earning 136+ wasn't all that great.
 
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ROTFL, Denis's season's best for his LP heading into the 2013 Worlds was 128.44. At Four Continents, a month before Worlds, he earned 119.21. His winning free skate at Worlds was 174.92. (46.48 points higher than his season's best and 55.71 better than at 4CC's). He was not proven. And all the controversy was about whether the guy who topped him actually deserved it. When you've got it, you've got it.
 
Yup, i guess everybody agrees people happen to peak from times to times and have some laaaaaaaame skates from times to times, leading to huge differences over the season =D
 
The Grand Prix Final in 2013 was not all that long ago. Do you need to be reminded of that performance? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxM6UxkIW64

I see:
1.) Big stumble on 3f
2.) Popped planned 3lo to 1lo
3.) Falls on second 3f and
4.) Misses planned 3 jump combo
5.) Falls on 3s
6.) Scary landing on final 2a

Yes, a completely different skater. Mind you this was 3 months before her Sochi win and her score was 45 points lower :shocked: . I know she was a hot mess here but still, 45 point improvement in 3 months?

You also forgot the final spin she messed up and it scored no value. Yes, she had a slew of errors in that GPF trainwreck FS, but still nailed a 3Z+3L and a 2A+3T and still attempted to maintain the performance in spite of the many errors (which is a stark contrast to her FS in 2012 CoR where the performance fell apart; and unlike CoR Sotnikova at least had a clean SP at the GPF). As far as a 45 point improvement... obviously her GOE and PCS were off the charts in Sochi, but she was MUCH better in Sochi than anything she had done before. A 45 point swing going from a trainwreck GPF FS with the errors mentioned to a solid Sochi FS, isn't inconceivable. Don't get me wrong, I still think she should have lost in Sochi and got inflated marks, but there's no denying that the performance was significantly improved. It's quite laudable how she was able to achieve such a turnaround in just 3 months.
 
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