2015 IceChallenge Men SP and FS

[Mrs. P]

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Thursday, October 29
19:45 Short Program

Friday, Oct 30
19:15 Free Skating

Time in Graz, Austria (UTC +1)
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/austria/graz


Free Skating start order

StN.	Name	Nation	Current Rank	Points
	Warm-Up Group 1
Simon-Gabriel IONIAN
Manuel KOLL
Mario-Rafael IONIAN
Viktor ZUBIK
Anton KEMPF
	Warm-Up Group 2
Alessandro FADINI
Adrien BANNISTER
Jiri BELOHRADSKY
Stephane WALKER
Jordan MOELLER
	Warm-Up Group 3
Phillip HARRIS
Anton SHULEPOV
Jorik HENDRICKX
Mikhail KOLYADA
Artur DMITRIEV
Jason BROWN

[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]

[TD="align: center"]AUT[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]16[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]29.98[/TD]

[TD="align: center"]2[/TD]

[TD="align: center"]AUT[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]15[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]37.11[/TD]

[TD="align: center"]3[/TD]

[TD="align: center"]AUT[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]14[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]43.77[/TD]

[TD="align: center"]4[/TD]

[TD="align: center"]FIN[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]13[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]44.69[/TD]

[TD="align: center"]5[/TD]

[TD="align: center"]GER[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]12[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]47.28[/TD]

[TD="align: center"]6[/TD]

[TD="align: center"]ITA[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]11[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]47.83[/TD]

[TD="align: center"]7[/TD]

[TD="align: center"]ITA[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]10[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]53.41[/TD]

[TD="align: center"]8[/TD]

[TD="align: center"]CZE[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]9[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]54.71[/TD]

[TD="align: center"]9[/TD]

[TD="align: center"]SUI[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]8[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]60.39[/TD]

[TD="align: center"]10[/TD]

[TD="align: center"]USA[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]7[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]63.50[/TD]

[TD="align: center"]11[/TD]

[TD="align: center"]GBR[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]6[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]65.93[/TD]

[TD="align: center"]12[/TD]

[TD="align: center"]RUS[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]5[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]74.16[/TD]

[TD="align: center"]13[/TD]

[TD="align: center"]BEL[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]4[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]74.55[/TD]

[TD="align: center"]14[/TD]

[TD="align: center"]RUS[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]3[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]74.86[/TD]

[TD="align: center"]15[/TD]

[TD="align: center"]RUS[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]2[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]84.46[/TD]

[TD="align: center"]16[/TD]

[TD="align: center"]USA[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]85.29[/TD]

Short Program results
Detailed protocals: http://skateaustria.lvps91-250-98-1...n/1.2015_16/00006/CSAUT2015_MEN_SP_Scores.pdf
Archived live stream: http://livestream.com/accounts/1743329/events/4465040/videos/103232199

Pl.	Name	Nation	TSS =	TES +		PCS +	SS	TR	PE	CH	IN	Deduction -	StN.
Jason BROWN
Artur DMITRIEV
Mikhail KOLYADA
Jorik HENDRICKX
Anton SHULEPOV
Phillip HARRIS
Jordan MOELLER
Stephane WALKER
Jiri BELOHRADSKY
Adrien BANNISTER
Alessandro FADINI
Anton KEMPF
Viktor ZUBIK
Mario-Rafael IONIAN
Manuel KOLL
Simon-Gabriel IONIAN

[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]

[TD="align: center"]USA[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]85.29[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]43.84[/TD]

[TD="align: right"]41.45[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]8.15[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]8.15[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]8.40[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]8.20[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]8.55[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.00[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]#8[/TD]

[TD="align: center"]2[/TD]

[TD="align: center"]RUS[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]84.46[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]47.46[/TD]

[TD="align: right"]37.00[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]7.55[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]7.25[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]7.40[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]7.40[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]7.40[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.00[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]#10[/TD]

[TD="align: center"]3[/TD]

[TD="align: center"]RUS[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]74.86[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]38.81[/TD]

[TD="align: right"]37.05[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]7.50[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]7.05[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]7.50[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]7.45[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]7.55[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1.00[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]#16[/TD]

[TD="align: center"]4[/TD]

[TD="align: center"]BEL[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]74.55[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]39.30[/TD]

[TD="align: right"]35.25[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]7.00[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]6.85[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]7.05[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]7.05[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]7.30[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.00[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]#1[/TD]

[TD="align: center"]5[/TD]

[TD="align: center"]RUS[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]74.16[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]40.01[/TD]

[TD="align: right"]35.15[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]7.05[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]6.75[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]7.05[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]7.00[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]7.30[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1.00[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]#6[/TD]

[TD="align: center"]6[/TD]

[TD="align: center"]GBR[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]65.93[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]36.13[/TD]

[TD="align: right"]30.80[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]6.35[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]6.05[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]5.95[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]6.00[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]6.45[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1.00[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]#4[/TD]

[TD="align: center"]7[/TD]

[TD="align: center"]USA[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]63.50[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]31.90[/TD]

[TD="align: right"]31.60[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]6.50[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]6.05[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]6.35[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]6.30[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]6.40[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.00[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]#15[/TD]

[TD="align: center"]8[/TD]

[TD="align: center"]SUI[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]60.39[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]32.04[/TD]

[TD="align: right"]28.35[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]5.70[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]5.30[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]5.80[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]5.60[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]5.95[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.00[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]#2[/TD]

[TD="align: center"]9[/TD]

[TD="align: center"]CZE[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]54.71[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]27.46[/TD]

[TD="align: right"]28.25[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]5.90[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]5.45[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]5.75[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]5.60[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]5.55[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1.00[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]#17[/TD]

[TD="align: center"]10[/TD]

[TD="align: center"]ITA[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]53.41[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]27.06[/TD]

[TD="align: right"]26.35[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]5.65[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]4.90[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]5.30[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]5.20[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]5.30[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.00[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]#11[/TD]

[TD="align: center"]11[/TD]

[TD="align: center"]ITA[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]47.83[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]21.73[/TD]

[TD="align: right"]27.10[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]5.40[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]5.15[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]5.45[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]5.30[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]5.80[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1.00[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]#13[/TD]

[TD="align: center"]12[/TD]

[TD="align: center"]GER[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]47.28[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]23.83[/TD]

[TD="align: right"]25.45[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]5.30[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]4.95[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]4.95[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]5.10[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]5.15[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2.00[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]#12[/TD]

[TD="align: center"]13[/TD]

[TD="align: center"]FIN[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]44.69[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]18.64[/TD]

[TD="align: right"]26.05[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]5.60[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]5.00[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]5.15[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]5.25[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]5.05[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.00[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]#14[/TD]

[TD="align: center"]14[/TD]

[TD="align: center"]AUT[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]43.77[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]22.07[/TD]

[TD="align: right"]22.70[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]4.80[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]4.30[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]4.60[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]4.55[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]4.45[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1.00[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]#7[/TD]

[TD="align: center"]15[/TD]

[TD="align: center"]AUT[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]37.11[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]14.51[/TD]

[TD="align: right"]22.60[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]4.90[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]4.35[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]4.10[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]4.80[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]4.45[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.00[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]#5[/TD]

[TD="align: center"]16[/TD]

[TD="align: center"]AUT[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]29.98[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]12.28[/TD]

[TD="align: right"]19.70[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]4.05[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]3.80[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]3.80[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]4.00[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]4.05[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2.00[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]#9[/TD]

Entries​

[TABLE="class: grid, width: 100%"]
[TR]
[TH="class: first, align: left"]No.[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]Name[/TH]
[TH="align: center"]Nation[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: first, align: right"]1[/TD]
[TD]Mario-Rafael IONIAN [/TD]
[TD="align: right"]AUT[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2"]SP TBD
LP TBD[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: first, align: right"]2[/TD]
[TD]Simon-Gabriel IONIAN[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]AUT[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2"] SP TBD
LP TBD[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: first, align: right"]3[/TD]
[TD]Manuel KOLL [/TD]
[TD="align: right"]AUT[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2"]SP Elvis medley
LP TBD[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: first, align: right"]4[/TD]
[TD] Jorik HENDRIXX [/TD]
[TD="align: right"]BEL[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2"]SP You Raise Me Up by Josh Groban
FS Titanic (soundtrack) by James Horner[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: first, align: right"]5[/TD]
[TD]Jiri BELOHRADSKY[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]CZE[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2"]SP Toccata and Fugue by Johann Sebastian Bach (modern arrangement)
Carmen by Georges Bizet[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: first, align: right"]6[/TD]
[TD]Petr KOTLARIK[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]CZE[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2"]SP It's A Man's World
LP Almoraima; Asturias[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: first, align: right"]7[/TD]
[TD]Viktor ZUBIK [/TD]
[TD="align: right"]FIN[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2"]SP Russian Sailors' Dance (from "The Red Poppy") by Reinold Gliere; choreo by Ruslan Novoseltsev
LP Gladiator (soundtrack) by Hans Zimmer; choreo by Ruslan Novoseltsev[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: first, align: right"]8[/TD]
[TD]Anton KEMPF[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]GER[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2"]SP
LP Shape of My Heart by Sting, Entry of the Gladiators by Military Band, The Benny Hill Show Theme[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: first, align: right"]9[/TD]
[TD]Phillip HARRIS [/TD]
[TD="align: right"]GBR[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2"]SP Le Desir by Saint-Preux
LP The Globalist by Muse[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: first, align: right"]10[/TD]
[TD] Adrien BANNISTER
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]ITA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2"]SP Kiss by Tom Jones
LP Pink Panther Mambo by La33[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: first, align: right"]11[/TD]
[TD]Alessandro FADINI [/TD]
[TD="align: right"]ITA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2"]SP Grande Amore by Il Volo
LP Lay Me Down by Sam Smith[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: first, align: right"]12[/TD]
[TD]Artur DMITRIEV[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]RUS[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2"]SP TBD
LP The Godfather soundtrack[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: first, align: right"]13[/TD]
[TD]Mikhail KOLYADA[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]RUS[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2"]SP Nightingale Tango; Foxtrot by John Gray, Matvei Blanter
LP The Nightmare Before Christmas (soundtrack) by Danny Elfman[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: first, align: right"]14[/TD]
[TD]Anton SHULEPOV[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]RUS[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2"]SP TBD
LP TBD[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: first, align: right"]15[/TD]
[TD]Stephane WALKER[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]SUI[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2"]SP Wicked Game by James Vincent McMorrow
LP Piano Concerto No. 21, Andante by Wolfgang A. Mozart[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: first, align: right"]16[/TD]
[TD]Jason BROWN[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]USA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2"]SP Love is Blindness by The Grey Orchestra, choreo by Rohene Ward
LP The Scent of Love by Michael Nyman; choreo by Rohene Ward[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: first, align: right"]17[/TD]
[TD]Jordan MOELLER[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]USA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2"]SP "The Allure" by Beats Antique
LP Peer Gynt Suites by Edvard Grieg; choreography by Rohene Ward[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

 

[Interspectator]

Gooo Jason, land that quaaad!

 

[MGstyle]

starting order for tomorrow not up yet?

 

[Mrs. P]

The results page is not up yet, so no starting order. I only know that Jason Brown is skating 8th because he posted it on Instagram.

 

[MGstyle]

The results page is not up yet, so no starting order. I only know that Jason Brown is skating 8th because he posted it on Instagram.

Perfect thanx, that's all I wanted to know lol...

 

[OS]

Will Jason finally land his quad? If so, PCS 85+ in his FS?

 

[StitchMonkey]

Will Jason finally land his quad? If so, PCS 85+ in his FS?

He has already managed 89 PCS in the free without a quad and 85.36 this weekend at Skate America.... frankly this program with a clean quad should clear 90 PCS or the quad is not worth it.

 

[OS]

He has already managed 89 PCS in the free without a quad and 85.36 this weekend at Skate America.... frankly this program with a clean quad should clear 90 PCS or the quad is not worth it.

LOL fans wishful thinking perhaps? 89 where?

I think at best 85+ is already a very good mark with an iffy quads at international judging standard, consider Michida, Denis used to get about 82 with quads at Olympics, Javier around 89 with 2 quads for his WC trophy. I don't think Jason is above them. From his latest outings, he is still about 60% potential of that program so I am realistic consider it was just last week. In a few more weeks/months, who knows.

 

[Mrs. P]

WTT is where Jason got the 89 PCS. I think there was a lot of inflation so I don't count it. He did hit the 83-85 range a few times last season without the quad. His lowest PCS was around 79 at Rostelecom Cup.

 

[StitchMonkey]

LOL fans wishful thinking perhaps? 89 where?

I think at best 85+ is already a very good mark with an iffy quads at international judging standard, consider Michida, Denis used to get about 82 with quads at Olympics, Javier around 89 with 2 quads for his WC trophy. I don't think Jason is above them. From his latest outings, he is still about 60% potential of that program so I am realistic consider it was just last week. In a few more weeks/months, who knows.

I won't disagree that an 85 is good for an iffy quad and a botched 3A, but I do think it needs to go up from there with a clean outing. I frankly would be disappointed if a clean Jason with a quad does not beat his personal best without a quad - if it does not - what is the point of killing himself for the quad? If 85 is his upper limit regardless of the quad, and he can hit it without, why would he do a quad? I stand by my statement that if he does not imporove, than maybe the quad is not actually being rewarded enough to be worth it. If people are going to badger Jason about the quad, yes I want his scores to go up when/if he starts landing it.

If a botched 3A and a UR with a fall quad is worth 85.36 then what do you think a clean quad and clean second 3A should garner? Five point does not seem unreasonable and that puts him at 90. I realize it may not happen, but I also think that an 88 would be too low of a reward. Less than three points increase seems honestly a bit sad when you think about it. I am not as quad crazy as some, but it should be rewarded.

Regardless of personal opinions on Jason, most I think will agree he is a hard worker. I do think he will land a quad eventually, and I don't see what is wrong with hoping his scores go up enough to reflect and reward that hard work.

 

[skylark]

I'm with you on hoping his scores reflect the hard work. Still, I think Jason and his team are looking long-term. This is the year he decided to put in the effort to establish the quad. It's already improved greatly from GF thru Nepela to SA. If it keeps improving through the season, by Worlds he'll have the confidence that he needs for next year.
That's the way I understand what Kori and Jason have said.

 

[Tavi...]

WTT is where Jason got the 89 PCS. I think there was a lot of inflation so I don't count it. He did hit the 83-85 range a few times last season without the quad. His lowest PCS was around 79 at Rostelecom Cup.

Mrs P I don't disagree about the inflation, but ... there's almost always inflation, whether it's event wide or specific to a few guys at an event. So I'm curious - is it necessary to discount Jasons WTT score as inflated? I mean I thought Javi's PCS of 91 at Worlds was way high, but that's what he was awarded so I can't really discount it, can I? Or do you think WTT was different for some reason? I'm interested to hear your thoughts.

 

[StitchMonkey]

Mrs P I don't disagree about the inflation, but ... there's almost always inflation, whether it's event wide or specific to a few guys at an event. So I'm curious - is it necessary to discount Jasons WTT score as inflated? I mean I thought Javi's PCS of 91 at Worlds was way high, but that's what he was awarded so I can't really discount it, can I? Or do you think WTT was different for some reason? I'm interested to hear your thoughts.

Mrs. P is far from the only one to think that WTT scores in general tend to be inflated. Not just this WTT but in general it often has high scores. Part of that likely is due to it being late in the season when teams have their programs nailed, but it also is a fun event where it is fun to give big scores. FWIW I did not take it to be a dig at Jason, but rather Mrs. P's attempt at being fair, which is always noble if not always realistic.

Personally, I think the "does not count" mentality is a dangerous slippery slope and one I don't really like to play on. If it exists, it exists. I don't want to start enumerating what scores count and don't because that will frankly turn into drinking game of old arguments. I am just too cynical to be noble and fair... i just accept what is and try to slush through it. I do however want to say that i lose no respect whatsoever for Mrs. P for her point in this case.

 

[tulosai]

Just popping in to say good luck to Jason!

 

[Tavi...]

Stitch - I agree. I wasn't criticing Mrs P!

 

[silverfoxes]

Mikhail, Anton, and Artur

edit - I didn't know Stephane Walker is still competing...and I guess I'm the only one watching this for skaters not named Jason?

 

[gibbynka]

The live results are not being updated?

 

[futurepupdoc]

I am here watching!

 

[MFarone]

Second group on the ice for warm up!

 

[snowflake]

Mikhail, Anton, and Artur

edit - I didn't know Stephane Walker is still competing...and I guess I'm the only one watching this for skaters not named Jason?

Lol, I've been watching, though I must admit that my big interest is Jason's quad

So tell us about Michal, Anton and Artur, well Dmitry I know about(son of the great pair skater A. D.)