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2017-18 State of Russian Ladies skating

They're so average comparing to Medvedeva, Zagitova, Trusova and Shcherbakova... :disapp:
It's been rather judges, who did a good job there.

First of all, I think we shouldn't compare senior ladies like Evgenia with juniors. Look how much she has improved since she was 13-14 yo.
Can't agree that Alena is an average skater. Panenkova is also good. It isn't that easy to guess which Russian young lady will shine in seniors.
 
I haven't really followed internal junior competitions, so most of the russian girls this season have been totally new faces to me. And it is so impressive how every week they have a brand new girl ready to take the first place. :)
 
What I’m really curious about is which 2 girls will go to the last jgp next week. There are 3 girls I think have a shot but only 2 will be chosen:
Samodurova won last week; will she be rewarded with another assignment?
Kostornaya just might win tomorrow; will she get the last jgp?
Guliakova won a silver the very first week, back in August. Will she get a second assignment?
 
I haven't really followed internal junior competitions, so most of the russian girls this season have been totally new faces to me. And it is so impressive how every week they have a brand new girl ready to take the first place. :)

Russian junior ladies field is really deep. There are skaters like Nugumanova who can win in their lucky day (like Samodurova did), but they didn't get the spot at JGP. So many talented skaters...
 
What I’m really curious about is which 2 girls will go to the last jgp next week. There are 3 girls I think have a shot but only 2 will be chosen:
Samodurova won last week; will she be rewarded with another assignment?
Kostornaya just might win tomorrow; will she get the last jgp?
Guliakova won a silver the very first week, back in August. Will she get a second assignment?

It depends on how Kostornaya will skate her FS
 
Russian junior ladies field is really deep. There are skaters like Nugumanova who can win in their lucky day (like Samodurova did), but they didn't get the spot at JGP. So many talented skaters...

I love Liza Nugumanova and she is basically the only skater I knew before she even turned junior. It is unbelievable the field is so deep, that last year's JGP finalist cannot even get a spot.

As for JGP Italy I think Samodurova is a lock. It's just whether Gulyakova will be replaced, depending on how Kostornaya does.
 
They're so average comparing to Medvedeva, Zagitova, Trusova and Shcherbakova... :disapp:
It's been rather judges, who did a good job there.

Hey tars, let me tell ya something. I know you're a good person, so I don't really care about some of your bad words about the girls, I know you didn't mean that. I see here and there, everywhere so many people, which is saying total nonsense, some of them even have very earlier dates of registration on this forum. But they're full of ignorance to understand something, and it's just wasting my time to argue with them and feed them. But I know you're kind, so I'll try to explain in a couple words why Alena should leave your list of those to whom you can't stand or something.

First, about Open Moscow Cup, I saw your wonder about her scores. That competition was very strict, there also was underscored another my favorite Ksenia Sinitsyna, and Katia Kurakova. At Russian Cup, Ksenia got for the free program score higher by 10 points in PCS than at Open Moscow Cup. And actually, I really liked these scores. It's good when the local judges are so strict. Because you see so nice difference at JGP and it's really cool. Scores like at St. Pete cup or something make me laugh, so I hope such competition as MOC will be more. As for Alena, yes her 3F was a bit shaky at JGP, she was nervous, but she did it. With amazing 3T. So that's okay.

Second, about Eteri's Wars: Attack of the clones. Sure, they have only one style and when so many girls come from the same group you might not see the difference. it's a problem. But look at Alena more closely. Eteri's style could be boring and repetative, and at some of her skaters it really looks boring. But it doesn't mean this style is bad at all, and when you see the girl to whom this style really fits, everything starts to play in other colors. Her SP really could be more intense, but she skates it perfectly, even with this very boring music.

Third, she's not from Eteri school originally, so it's also wrong to say that she's the same. She stands out. This is very noticeable.

Look at her skating skills, at her face expressions, at her amazing and the most difficult transitions in and out at jumps, among the all juniors. Look at her gorgeous lutz and axel... Look how beautiful she is, in the end. She is a real gem.

So leave this girl alone, you nasty bully!
 
I don't get why people are surprised that Eteri's skaters have similar styles to each other. They train together, they are all Russian (it's not like Orser training Hanyu vs. Fernandez vs. formerly Nam), and they all try to one-up each other in terms of difficulty in order to rise the top.

People be acting like Eteri's making them do the exact same spin positions/footwork sequences/jump layouts, and choosing the same music, and not making any efforts to distinguish them from each other.

All of a sudden backloading and tanos/Rippons (which all get more points) is cloning?! No, it's a result of being trained under a coach that understands these are how you optimize points. If other Russian/international coaches were committed to this type of training, their skaters would adopt more backloading and arm variations in an effort to score higher as well. And then the pool of top junior Russians would be more diversified with not just Eteri's skaters.

It's not her fault that she has figured out the system and only selects skaters who are committed to (surprise surprise) optimizing their points and thus chances of winning. People are criticizing her for essentially creating high standards within her already higher standard.
 
Really everybody can backload all their jumps. But what will they have at the end? How much were trying to do this if it's easy to get more points? I remember T.Hong who popped her jumps. Only one coach can do that, if you can't repeat it, it is Not Eteri's problem. So stop crying about cheating.
 
Really everybody can backload all their jumps. But what will they have at the end? How much were trying to do this if it's easy to get more points? I remember T.Hong who popped her jumps. Only one coach can do that, if you can't repeat it, it is Not Eteri's problem. So stop crying about cheating.

You are confusing a couple things. Backloading - it's not cheating. By cheating means turn before the jump, like at Evgenia's 3S+3T. When she push her body to turn before jump up. Many people think it's flawed technique. But to me it seems legit.
 
Backloading they also call cheating. It's not my own fantasy. I read it plenty of times. Really when Soma Unos jumps are fully rotated in protocols and with correct ages i don't mind about ladies' urs at all. And I'm respecting his skating skills not hating him. But compering Trusova's 4s and Soma's Sasas must be clean in protocols...
P.S. I am Not a fan of Evgenia or someone else much and prefer more pair skating
 
Backloading they also call cheating. It's not my own fantasy. I read it plenty of times.

Don't know where you read such nonsense. Backloadings are absolutely legit in the rules. It's not cheating. I can advise you to ignore JGP threads and other threads in Figure Skating: The Edge. It's just wasting of time and/or nerve cells, nothing more.
 
What I don't get is how the hell people can call those girls the same or having similar styles? Are you blind or what? Seriously, i just can't handle it.
We have Trusova who is just a firecracker and a real TES monster, while having a very, very good presentation.
We have Tarakanova who has not so good technique, but on the other hand has some really appealing wild and recklessness in her style.
We also have Scherbakova who is a complete package in terms of anything - technique, artistry, feeling of the music - you name it. Only the injury prevents her now from showing who is the real owner of junior skating world.
We have Panenkova who, as i feel, hasn't found her style yet, and also somehow got probably the worst programs among top junior ladies, at the same time having the best rippons in the world(yes i mean it). She also managed to not only save her jumps during puberty, but even improve them.
Not to mention a two-times-winner-of-everything, who can really mesmerize with her performances, and Zagitova, who actually able to portray a ballerina, like no one i've seen in a while.
And now we're getting yet another star - elegant, graceful and gorgeous queen Kostornaya, who posts ridiculous 69 right from the start, and has nothing in common with other skaters from the group.

The only things in common they have - amazing technical skills and the fact that they are rarely finishing lower than 1st place.
 
I read somewhere that it's Russians who has invited +10 bonus and their powerful federation made and polictiking mage it legit. So now they are using it fully. That's cheating and must be removed. Blah-blah-blah.. I don't remember exactly when it was done, but at that time there wasn't any girl who can do it successfully during whole year and it was done to prevent frontloading. Sometimes posts in threads could be disgusting.. I'm taking ut easy but sometimes those conspiracy theories are funny and innovative that makes me laugh
 
Backloading they also call cheating. It's not my own fantasy. I read it plenty of times. Really when Soma Unos jumps are fully rotated in protocols and with correct ages i don't mind about ladies' urs at all. And I'm respecting his skating skills not hating him. But compering Trusova's 4s and Soma's Sasas must be clean in protocols...
P.S. I am Not a fan of Evgenia or someone else much and prefer more pair skating
I like what you’re trying to say.
 
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