2017-18 State of Russian Ladies skating

[Tolstoj]

US and Canada have their own minor events because they are the only two skating countries in this entire hemisphere, unless central or South American countries volunteer to host . The vast majority of senior Bs, along with JGPs, are in Europe, which involves more travel for Americans and Canadians than just about anyone else (maybe other than Japan? they should get their own senior B too). Not everything is a conspiracy.

Japan and China are in the same situation and they don't have their own senior b competition.

As i wrote before, i'd like more transparency otherwise these two should be temporary events in my opinion.

Were there any Russian skaters at either the US Classic or the Autumn Classic? If not, then no it's not weird. Typically judges come from among of Feds of the competitors. And only one judge on each panel can be from each country, so out of ~7 judges only 2 max can be Canada and US. Then there's the tech panel too of course, but still it's not like the whole panel is the same.

Is this a rule? i didn't know it but i'll do some research on that.

Also yes there aren't russian skaters but there are skaters who are competing for former USSR countries: Tursynbaeva (KAZ), Ge (UZB), Kononenko (UKR), Stan (ROU),... so a russian judge would still make sense.

 

[Grin]

I was comparing this judging panel who gave lvl 3 to Med's stsc with another one at Skate Canada, who gave level 4 and +GOE for this
https://youtu.be/9mBW0vad1BY?t=146

If at Nepela Trophy judges weren't strict, how would you call Skate Canada judges?

Correction, they rated Kaetlyn's stsc level3.

 

[andromache]

Is this a rule? i didn't know it but i'll do some research on that.

Also yes there aren't russian skaters but there are skaters who are competing for former USSR countries: Tursynbaeva (KAZ), Ge (UZB), Kononenko (UKR), Stan (ROU),... so a russian judge would still make sense.

Last I checked, being a former USSR country didn't make the countries de facto Russian, culturally or politically.

Judges from KAZ, UZB, UKR, and ROU would make far more sense. But maybe none wanted to travel?

I haven't seen any problem with the transparency of Autumn Classic. It is very easy to find out who the judges are for each event as well as what country they are from. The coverage is excellent and available for anyone, as are the scoresheets.

The US Classic, not so much. But that's because the icenetwork site is garbage.

 

[atsumiri]

The lutz was definitely a flutz,

Really? With this camera angle and this video quality?????
Have you watched it live?
Otherwise how is it definitely?

 

[Tolstoj]

Last I checked, being a former USSR country didn't make the countries de facto Russian, culturally or politically.

Judges from KAZ, UZB, UKR, and ROU would make far more sense. But maybe none wanted to travel?

I haven't seen any problem with the transparency of Autumn Classic. It is very easy to find out who the judges are for each event as well as what country they are from. The coverage is excellent and available for anyone, as are the scoresheets.

The US Classic, not so much. But that's because the icenetwork site is garbage.

Well actually culturally there's a lot in common (they are all slavs, they share the same heritage and you can see it very clearly on the language), politically many former USSR countries shares few things on their statutes. (i'm sure many users here are more knowledgeable than me on this)

It's also not a surprise that many of these skaters trains in Russia because of the facilities, but it's also easier to communicate for them. Of course a KAZ, UZB, UKR, or ROU judge would be better, but you can't have one judge for all these minor countries, so actually a russian judge could still make more sense. Having said that i'm still not sure that such rule exists.

The US Classic, not so much. But that's because the icenetwork site is garbage.

To be fair even the new ISU website is a mess at the moment, so i don't blame them too much, but if it is an ISU challenger competition they should also upload the all thing on the ISU website.

 

[andromache]

I actually would be surprised if there is a rule in place mandating that judges must be from a country of at least one of the competitors. That said, judges "work" for federations, right? I think federations would be far less likely to want to send a judge to a competition if there are no skaters from that country to be "helped" by that judge.

Especially if federations pay for the judge's travel, lodging, etc. (which I am unsure about).

 

[russianfan]

So, 6 competitions, 6 gold medals. State is strong as ever. Who will be the first one to lose gold from Eteri's angels? Will there actually be one? (i know that there is only one gold in JGPF, so someone gonna lose anyway, but what i mean is "will they let anyone else win gold at any tournament?"). What do you think?

 

[Grin]

So, 6 competitions, 6 gold medals. State is strong as ever. Who will be the first one to lose gold from Eteri's angels? Will there actually be one? (i know that there is only one gold in JGPF, so what i mean is "will they let anyone else win gold at any tournament?"). What do you think?

I think clean Rika Kihira with two 3A has good chances

 

[Grin]

Evgenia's FS + protocol
https://youtu.be/GMEsVHTA90M

 

[Myslitel]

So, 6 competitions, 6 gold medals. State is strong as ever. Who will be the first one to lose gold from Eteri's angels? Will there actually be one? (i know that there is only one gold in JGPF, so someone gonna lose anyway, but what i mean is "will they let anyone else win gold at any tournament?"). What do you think?

Maaan, angels - it's about Plusсhenko school.
Don't big words, need to work.
To work day and night.
And if this team was called as Americans sport teams called - it would be something like Eteri's hard-workers.

 

[puremagic]

I actually would be surprised if there is a rule in place mandating that judges must be from a country of at least one of the competitors. That said, judges "work" for federations, right? I think federations would be far less likely to want to send a judge to a competition if there are no skaters from that country to be "helped" by that judge.

Especially if federations pay for the judge's travel, lodging, etc. (which I am unsure about).

Moreover, at some JGP events where were Russian skaters, there were no Russian judges. The same with Japan. So it's not a big deal. On the contrary, I think it's even good. To me, it's more deserved when the judges from other coutries appreciate you, than your judges compatriots. Btw, at Austria JGP, was the funny moment, when Russian judge gave the highest PCS only to Japanese skater. That's what I like!

 

[Myslitel]

So, 6 competitions, 6 gold medals. State is strong as ever. Who will be the first one to lose gold from Eteri's angels? Will there actually be one? (i know that there is only one gold in JGPF, so someone gonna lose anyway, but what i mean is "will they let anyone else win gold at any tournament?"). What do you think?

I think that this winning streak can be interrupted at any moment.
For example, if Tarakanova will not win in Croatia next week - she only recently join Eteri team, and is known for her instability.
Or even in the past - Zagitova could easily lose in Lombardy. Yes, for me her victory is not obvious - judges could decide this way or that, they gave 1st place to Alina, but could gave it to Higuchi.
But it does not so matter. There are no task to winning all the starts - each athlete has their own goal: for juniors is successful debut at JGP and qualify for the Junior Grand Prix final, for Alina, Zhenya and Polina - to prepare for the season, and qualify for russian olympic team, and so on.
Need just have to continue to work, and victories will come. But not necessarily at every start.

 

[Lana05]

Are you serious about SLAVS???? They maybe can speak Russian( not everyone in ex-SU), but it doesn't mean they have anything else common. Elizabet is from KAZ (as well as UZB) and she is asian, also they are sunni muslims, whole different mentality and culture, ROU was never in Soviet Union and speak completly different language. What are you talking? Who is really common is Belarus. But others - not so much

 

[puremagic]

So, for now the main question: if Sonya will take gold/silver/bronze medal, what rusfed will decide? There will be only two stages. And they can send Stasya and Sonya to make company with Daria and Nastya Gul.

I really want to see Alena at JGP. :sad4:

 

[Myslitel]

So, for now the main question: if Sonya will take gold/silver/bronze medal, what rusfed will decide? There will be only two stages. And they can send Stasya and Sonya to make company with Daria and Nastya Gul.

I really want to see Alena at JGP. :sad4:

Or then Fed can still left Alena at 6th event of JGP and compare, who was better, Sonya or Alena

 

[tjb]

Are you serious about SLAVS???? They maybe can speak Russian( not everyone in ex-SU), but it doesn't mean they have anything else common. Elizabet is from KAZ (as well as UZB) and she is asian, also they are sunni muslims, whole different mentality and culture, ROU was never in Soviet Union and speak completly different language. What are you talking? Who is really common is Belarus. But others - not so much

elizabeth was born in moscow and lived there for the most part of her life. besides belarus, i'll say that kazakhstan is culturally are the closest in the world country to russia. only people in small towns and villages speak kazakh, city kazakhs are often don't know their native language. and despite the fact that islam is a part of state ideology, kazakhs are not really religious, they are atheists for the most part, just like people in tatarstan, russia.

 

[Myslitel]

Osmond protocol: 142 for a FS with pop and fall; no edge calls
https://skatecanada.ca/results/2017-ACI/CSCAN2017_SeniorLadies_FS_Scores.pdf

 

[Lana05]

It's true only for a Nothern part of Kazakhsan, but not for South. There are much more muslim activity than before. And being born doesn't make her a slav. There are still a lot of different between all countrie of ex-SU

 

[tjb]

It's true only for a Nothern part of Kazakhsan, but not for South. There are much more muslim activity than before. And being born doesn't make her a slav. There are still a lot of different between all countrie of ex-SU

there is a less diffecnce for many countries of ex su, than for a different regions of russia. russia also have a muslim republics. and the soviet mentality is pretty much the same everywhere

 

[ejnsofi]

Osmond protocols: 142 for a FS with pop and fall; no edge calls
https://skatecanada.ca/results/2017-ACI/CSCAN2017_SeniorLadies_FS_Scores.pdf

Positive GOE on 1A is a Hanyu level of popping :thumbsup: Also 0 GOE for this lutz is also some sort of joke as Tursynbaeva also received 0 GOE for her lutz with actual transition, very deep edge and flow. Is there any secret competition in overscoring which CS series will overscore more?