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2017-18 State of Russian Ladies skating

Happy birthday to one of the best and most successful coaches in the world - Sergey Dudakov! Wishing all of the World and Olympic titles for his students! :clap:
 
Shayuki said:
Truly fantastic. I really hope she gets her jumps in order eventually.

The step sequence is a planned lvl 4 content-wise. In fact, comparing to Kaori's FS step sequence for instance, Melkumova has about 3 times as many difficult steps, well beyond the requirements.

Planned:

RBO counter
LBI rocker
LFI rocker
LBI counter
LFI choctaw
LBO choctaw
LFO rocker
LBO counter
LF(ccw) twizzle 3.5
Toe steps
RFI bracket
RBO edge change
LFO choctaw
RBI rocker
RFI counter
RBI counter
Toe steps
LFI choctaw
LBO choctaw
RFI choctaw
LBO edge change
LBI counter
LFI bracket
LBO counter
LFO loop
RBI loop
LFO rocker

2 counter(cw, ccw)
2 rocker(cw, ccw)
2 bracket(cw, ccw)
2 loop(cw, ccw)
2 choctaw(cw, ccw)
1 twizzle(ccw)
(lvl 4)
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You should do the same brilliant analysis of Medvedeva's, Zagitova's, Kostornaya's, Konstantinova's, Gubanova's, Radionova's and Sotskova's stsqs. We need to know the truth! :bow:
 
Let's remember to watch this beautiful video on Anya by Undine to get us mentally prepared for tomorrow!

puremagic said:
You should do the same brilliant analysis of Medvedeva's, Zagitova's, Kostornaya's, Konstantinova's, Gubanova's, Radionova's and Sotskova's stsqs. We need to know the truth! :bow:
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So much work and I'm not confident enough that I'll get everything right(Open to being corrected if I make a mistake though) to act as such an authority.

You can really eyeball most of it. For example, Medvedeva's is ridiculous and this is pretty easy to see without any analysis. She does 90%+ of her lvl 4 required steps in a bit over 10 seconds. But of course much more than just the required steps goes into lvl 4 step sequence. That just is the one thing you must get for it to even be possible to get lvl 4 steps - I guess you still could get lvl 1 step sequence despite hitting lvl 4 step requirements.
 
I still hope that we will one day see a girl with Tuktamysheva's 2011 jumps, Tarakanova's Expression/Abundance, Zagitova's technical content, Kostornaya's flow and charme and Lipnitskaya's mindset. And then I would be curious if there would be someone who wouldn't like this girl.
 
Bad news: there isn't any text info about scores and announcer audibility leaves much to be desired even for russian speaker. Also, will there be someone willing to record this competition (particularly day 2 seniors)? I am afraid tomorrow I can't make it in time.
 
Resa said:
I still hope that we will one day see a girl with Tuktamysheva's 2011 jumps, Tarakanova's Expression/Abundance, Zagitova's technical content, Kostornaya's flow and charme and Lipnitskaya's mindset. And then I would be curious if there would be someone who wouldn't like this girl.
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Hmmm, Berestovskaya might potentially tick every single box out of the ones you listed. I wonder where she might be the weakest, probably "flow and charme"? But it's not like it's horrible for her age.

Elucidus said:
Bad news: there isn't any text info about scores and announcer audibility leaves much to be desired even for russian speaker. Also, will there be someone willing to record this competition (particularly day 2 seniors)? I am afraid tomorrow I can't make it in time.
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I'll record skaters I'm interested in. But usually, these senior / junior competitions get relatively good coverage in that regard.
 
Just about right now will begin the senior competition, only 9 girls. I'd call them 'B' league. Valeria Emelyanova is one of those who you should look at. Same coach, who taught Sasha Trusova. Valeria's jumps are nice, but she is inconsistent. Let's hope she'll do fine here.
 
Great skate by Valeria! Especially after this slownessfest she was like a breath of fresh air with her speed.

But I'd like to see her skating lyrical programs, not this.
 
She got only 58, as far as I heard, though. And Istomina's results weren't announced at all (who was better IMO). Also the rink is really small - to a degree when it can hinder quality of performance.
 
puremagic said:
Great skate by Valeria! Especially after this slownessfest she was like a breath of fresh air with her speed.

But I'd like to see her skating lyrical programs, not this.
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Skating's still pretty messy / laboured and she's quite expressionless, or at least I wasn't feeling it.

She's really not in the upper echelon of talents for me. But I guess she can compete for the latter national competition spots in the future.
 
Shayuki said:
Skating's still pretty messy / laboured and she's quite expressionless, or at least I wasn't feeling it.

She's really not in the upper echelon of talents for me. But I guess she can compete for the latter national competition spots in the future.
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Fair enough. I just started to look at more less consistent skaters as at material, which Eteri can take and make a star. Zagitova's example is very inspiring.

A year of work with Eteri after Valeria's transfer from Volkov to her, as it was with Trusova (although there was a pit stop with Tsareva), and I guess she'll be fine. I wonder what will be with her speed if she'll start to do many transitions. Hope it won't damage her hard.
 
puremagic said:
Fair enough. I just started to look at more less consistent skaters as at material, which Eteri can take and make a star. Zagitova's example is very inspiring.

A year of work with Eteri after Valeria's transfer from Volkov to her, as it was with Trusova (although there was a pit stop with Tsareva), and I guess she'll be fine. I wonder what will be with her speed if she'll start to do many transitions. Hope it won't damage her hard.
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Well that's the thing, as her skating seems quite messy at this point in time I have my doubts about her ability to maintain speed with more difficult transitions. And it is Eteri so you never know - Maybe there's something more in there. But just getting her jumps consistent won't really be enough in this day and age, she'd need something more than that to be a top ~10 skater for Russia.
 
Shayuki said:
Well that's the thing, as her skating seems quite messy at this point in time I have my doubts about her ability to maintain speed with more difficult transitions. And it is Eteri so you never know - Maybe there's something more in there. But just getting her jumps consistent won't really be enough in this day and age, she'd need something more than that to be a top ~10 skater for Russia.
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What about Panenkova, then? [emoji848] At JGP Gdansk she somehow got higher PCS than Kostornaya.

Aaaaaand here it comes! The show begins! :clap:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhsZ2pYMlCI
 
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