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2017-18 State of U.S. Ladies Skating

I know that internal competition can push competitors, but that's not the end all be all. Sometimes the motivation is found from within. What motivated Mirai to even learn a triple axel? No one in the US was doing it. Yes, her external motivation was the Olympics, but she needed to improve to get there. There was a lot of internal motivation to get better, especially when many had written her off. Also I think this quote by Teddy Roosevelt is instructive (as well as an answer to any snarky 'well she missed it in the individual' posters):
http://thinkexist.com/quotation/it_is_not_the_critic_who_counts-not_the_man_who/12121.html

Other things play into confidence, not just clean skates and good practices. This goes back to what happened with Kimmie Meisner. She was put in the position where she had to prove that her success wasn't a fluke and was cast off the minute she failed and some new young skater came along. This kills confidence. This created a CULTURE where this became the norm. Knowing you can be cast off the minute you fail or are less than perfect, creates an atmosphere that kills confidence. The fruit of this was what happened with Gracie Gold. Failure happens. You learn to work through it. That said, TPTB need to be more supportive and not so quick to cast aside skaters who fail.

There are debates about nationalising the system which isn't a bad idea. Incentivising hard skills is good. However, the CULTURE has to change because this is a recipe for failure. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and wxpecting different results.
Kimmie had a growth spurt, which kinda took her out. Between 2006 to 2012, nationals was a free for all, in which anyone could win as long as they skated clean. Our ladies were a mess. It was such a struggle transistioning from 6.0 to IJS. Without a stable lady like Michelle, it took away the stability that ladies skated relied upon for decades. Ashley provided some of the consistency needed, while Gracie gave ladies skaters a blueprint to transistion into IJS programs.

The problem with Gracie, is that she was expected to be a world champion out the gate. She hadn’t had a lot of experience competing against competitors at her level. Her ascent was fast. Suddenly she was expected to handle the expectations of a nation while facing off with competitors that were just as good if not better than her. Evgenia OTOH was challenged as a junior and learned competitive nerves because of it. It’s something that juniors and seniors need to learn before they can be expected to win.

Winners are made not born. At novice level, local level competitions are easy for skaters that have semi consistent triples to win. If the most talented novices, juniors and seniors competed against each other more often then they’d develop better competitive skills that would serve them well competing internationally. It’s takes more just talent at jumping and spinning to become winners.
 
I think this is an American skater, Alix Meyer. She has posted on an eating disorder organization's website. Long story short, she got bulimia, quit skating, then recovered from her eating disorder.

Never on Thin Ice Again
By Alix Meyer
https://www.nationaleatingdisorders.org/node/4320

At 16, I changed coaches- a strict Chinese-Russian coach straight from China who was training a boy who soon went to the 2014 Olympics- who demanded that I lose a large amount of weight.

Today, I'm 20 and a college graduate. I feel that I'm leaps and bounds stronger and better than I was when I was 16, when I was desperate to please my coach and my mother.

Alix Meyer Glacier Falls Competition 2009 Novice Ladies SP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nfTiTezoUE&t=3m16s

Alix Meyer Glacier Falls Competition 2009 Novice Ladies FS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OvCxLHOKHM&t=0m37s
 
According to Karen, her old boot company went bankrupt and she's been having a hard time finding boots that work for her.

That's not exactly true. The company she switched to is still very much in business. (Personally verified). From what I can understand they gave her three pairs of boots and she was choosing to wear the oldest most broken down pair. Which she posted a picture of them splitting apart on social media. Which to be honest is a really crappy thing to do to your sponsor.

If she is still talking about the old Klingbeil well they went out of business 4+ years ago. It's possible that boot problems have just become such a big part of her persona that it's hard to separate from. It's an easy and understandable excuse.
 
That's not exactly true. The company she switched to is still very much in business. (Personally verified). From what I can understand they gave her three pairs of boots and she was choosing to wear the oldest most broken down pair. Which she posted a picture of them splitting apart on social media. Which to be honest is a really crappy thing to do to your sponsor.

If she is still talking about the old Klingbeil well they went out of business 4+ years ago. It's possible that boot problems have just become such a big part of her persona that it's hard to separate from. It's an easy and understandable excuse.

Oh that's embarrassing for me :/ looking back I'm not sure where I got the bankrupt idea from. Sometimes I read things and misremember them. I think what happened, was that I was reading Karen's book which talked about the Klingbeil boots and got them confused with the boot problems from the recent Olympics.

Poor Karen, I hope she resolves her boot issues. She's really great when she's on
 
Ting Cui skated a clean short program at junior worlds! (2a, 3t-3t w big GOE, 3lutz w rippon). She earned 62.22 points, which is a new PB over 7 points.
 
Emmy Ma with trouble in the short. (3lz, 3f-2t barely hangs on to 2t and UR 3f, 2a has to check right arm in front to hang on and UR) unfortunately she was hosed on PCS due to her lower tech content and earned 52.78 points. Imo she is a wonderful interpreter of the music and has beautiful movement but that was not rewarded enough.
 
2 spots, maybe just 1, for the US ladies at junior worlds next year. I’m curious: How bad do the top two finishers have to be to get only one spot?
 
2 spots, maybe just 1, for the US ladies at junior worlds next year. I’m curious: How bad do the top two finishers have to be to get only one spot?
If Ting makes top 10 we get two spots.


aka if neither are in top 10 we lose 2 spots. But Ting will be top 7 after short at least, possibly top 6 so if she skates a decent long we will probably keep 2 spots.
 
If Ting makes top 10 we get two spots.


aka if neither are in top 10 we lose 2 spots. But Ting will be top 7 after short at least, possibly top 6 so if she skates a decent long we will probably keep 2 spots.

To keep 2 spots the placements have to add up to 28 or less.

They both get 16 points at least for doing the free skate. If one of them finishes 16th or lower (which is al worth 16 points) then the other will have to finish at least 12th.
 
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To keep 2 spots the placements have to add up to 28 or less. So you could still have both keep two spots not finishing top 10 as long one of them finishes at least 13th and other finishes at least 15th or higher.

ohh sorry. thanks for the correction! :)
 
The US only getting 1 spot at junior worlds next year might be a much needed wake up call.
So I kinda hope that happens.......

Ting was a nice surprise and there’s tons of talent there; usfsa needs to focus on her and help her grow. Emmy did as expected, she has no consistency, there’s no “fighter”, nothing than looks like determination to land every element, but her PCS coulda been higher.
 
The US only getting 1 spot at junior worlds next year might be a much needed wake up call.
So I kinda hope that happens.......

Ting was a nice surprise and there’s tons of talent there; usfsa needs to focus on her and help her grow. Emmy did as expected, she has no consistency, there’s no “fighter”, nothing than looks like determination to land every element, but her PCS coulda been higher.

That would be brutal!
7 + 16 = 23 so the US is still in the running for 2 JW spots.

How are JGP spots given to the country? I assume the number per country are based on JW placements.
 
Loved Ting's jumps--the ones with the Rippons were fairy like--in a good way. :)

I don't think the U.S. is in terrible shape--we're just waiting for Alysa Liu to become eligible.
 
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