2018 Internationaux de France Men's Short Program

[Sabrina]

OMG, I LOVED Aliev's program so much. The music, choreography and skating were all beautiful. The fall did a lot of damage, but the Modigliani program is a hit.

 

[IloveFS]

May I suggest ski jumping as a sport you would enjoy

Thanks but it's too late for that...I already watch snowboarding :sarcasm:

 

[Jaana]

A rather surprising result... As usually the placements might change a lot in the freeskate. Such a pity Chen had a fall and that goes for Jin as well. Maybe the latter was suffering from jet-lag since he arrived so late? Better be more careful in future and get the visa early enough!

 

[Hyena]

Exactly. This is a sport, not kindergarten. No one should get an A for effort. If you're going to do something, do it well. And if you can't, then your score will rightfully reflect that. It's not that difficult a concept. The whole "they shouldn't be afraid to try things" logic is just silly. Practice is why you try and fall. Competition is where you have to deliver. That's that.

This is such a thoughtful comment. Usually a "this is a sport" argument to explain why someone with quads should win over someone without. It's interesting to think about how the fact that it's a sport also means that you have to deliver.

Seeing Jason's performance live I honestly can totally back up that score - if others can do quads this effortless AND add a superb quality of movement, skating all around as Jason does then they are capable of scoring proportionally higher, no need really for me to diminish Jason and his score.

He embodied quality in every single element executed and added a wonderful finish to them, making them effortless, harmonious, but with that snap and edge. None of sloppiness, slowness or overwrought skating - none of Men made the music sound so well like Jason did, he gave it a shape, a beautiful one that captivated the audience for the whole time - I will repeat to death, some skaters impress by quads, others are using things they are good at to do so, Jason showed today that there are good things to be excited about and worth reward.

I am so glad you enjoyed his performance so much! What I love about being live is you really see how much skating skills matter to the overall impression of a performance. Your eye is just naturally drawn to the people with great flow across the ice.

 

[cake]

These results are a bit unexpected. Jason´s lead is completely justified in my opinion as he did everything with such high quality. I prefer this over a flawed program with quads. Why should skaters get high points for trying quads - they should get high points for landing them.
I agree with all who are puzzled about Samarin´s jump GOE.
And congrats to both french men for making the final group!

 

[Mrs. P]

A rather surprising result... As usually the placements might change a lot in the freeskate. Such a pity Chen had a fall and that goes for Jin as well. Maybe the latter was suffering from jet-lag since he arrived so late? Better be more careful in future and get the visa early enough!

For all we know, Boyang gave plenty of notice but he got caught up in bureaucracy that created issues. It happens, unfortunately. I am sad for Boyang cause I think this SP is fantastic. He'll comeback for sure.

I will say that Samarin's jumps in person are MASSIVE. His positive GOE likely is a benefit that he meets other GOE bullets for height and such. He also skates pretty big in person. I have yet to see Dmitri in person, so it's hard for me to make a comparison between those two.

 

[GGFan]

I think the judges are under a lot of pressure not to give skates with falls higher PCS than those who are clean.

I think the new system is really about cleaning up the falling because falling and still winning a medal confused casual viewers.

Exactly. The sport has to keep fine tuning the balance. They wanted to encourage more quads, which happened. Now there's a need for cleaner programs.

 

[Metis]

Last season, it was nonstop complaining that a planned fall on a 4Lz was worth more than a clean triple. Now the shoe is on the other foot and OMGBUTSPORTS.

Quads are still rewarded heavily. You just have to actually land them. You don’t get more points for rotating and falling on a 4Lz than you would for a clean 3Lz. Which... makes sense? And judges don’t even have to give the full -5 GOE, since not all falls are created equal and positive GOE can slightly offset the -5 for a fall. (You’re on your own for the PCS caps and mandatory deduction.)

 

[Tolstoj]

I call BS on Samarin's jump GOEs. You had a visibly flawed landing, you don't get + goes. It's not like he had amazing transitions/entry to make up for it either. And the pcs is a disgrace. How did he get 8+ across the board for SS? This some multple-quad-program pcs bonus nonsense.

The same could be said for Nathan's jumps: both the axel and the combo he was forward on the landing, the combo in particular was laboured, +2/+3 for those seems a bit generous.

 

[Danny T]

Not sure why some people screaming "B-b-but sPoRtSSS" actually. If you're so worried about your average quadster not winning, maybe it's time to tell them to learn how to skate. And you know, actually have better quads with transitions and flow-out. Just a thought.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[rachno2]

Not sure why some people screaming "B-b-but sPoRtSSS" actually. If you're so worried about your average quadster not winning, maybe it's time to tell them to learn how to skate. And you know, actually have better quads with transitions and flow-out. Just a thought.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Especially because.....it’s possible to have both. Hanyu exists.

 

[Metis]

Especially because.....it’s possible to have both. Hanyu exists.

Kolyada as well, on his good days. He gets the same jaw-dropping height that Hanyu does and has top-class skating skills. I could watch his WC18 SP for days.

<s>oh wait, I forgot Hanyu doesn’t emote</s>

 

[Danny T]

I'm a bit surprised Nathan didn't land that flip though. Yes, entry edge has become kind of questionable, but I saw he landed one right in the 6-min warmup. Did he say bad ice in the KnC - I thought I heard something?

 

[century2009]

Jason probably should be 1st with the cleanest program and had the levels. Good for him because he has been struggling.

I dont know what is going on with Samarin score. Those should be negative and dont understand the PCs. That is just biases.

Nathan is having an off day here. He probably would be first without the fall. But he needs to work on his levels. If he had his levels, he would be over 90 with the fall. As well as if it wasnt under, he would be over 90.

Boyang just needs to get away from the board, but unfortunate for him.

I really like Aliev, but he cant bring his jumps together.

Great job for Roman and Kevin as they will be in the final group.

 

[lizardlass]

I haven't watched all the skates yet, only Nathan and Jason, and I am SO EXCITED for Jason! That skate embodied everything that makes him special, and I'm so glad he got rewarded for it.

 

[jkun]

Well, jumps are only a fraction of the score and sloppiness shouldn't be rewarded over well-executed elements that cover every aspect of skating (not just the jumps though Jason's were extremely well done) including spins, steps, and skating skills, so I feel pretty good about it.

And OUCH, Jin got hammered on that score, but hey...them's the breaks.

I just don't think his triple jumps are anything special and I think his GOE's on the jumps are quite ridiculous to be honest. I do agree his spins, steps, and overall PCS are good.

 

[century2009]

As much as I appreciate Jason, he still needs a quad to challenge. Right now, he is counting on his competitors to make a mistake, and he much be clean all the time.

And that is the issue. As a skater, you cant be perfect all the time, but you hope you have enough buffer to carry you through, and that is what Jason needs.

I think Jason will be the only guy without a quad in the free skate, which is crazy because he would be able to rival his competitors unless they make mistakes and he goes very clean.

 

[jkun]

As much as I appreciate Jason, he still needs a quad to challenge. Right now, he is counting on his competitors to make a mistake, and he much be clean all the time.

And that is the issue. As a skater, you cant be perfect all the time, but you hope you have enough buffer to carry you through, and that is what Jason needs.

I think Jason will be the only guy without a quad in the free skate, which is crazy because he would be able to rival his competitors unless they make mistakes and he goes very clean.

I hope he will try a quad and not pop one. He has nothing to lose really. It's not like he's going to the GPF with a gold.

 

[Yuzuruu]

Jason is obviously working on a quad, and just a few months in TCC is not enough to get one. There are skaters who struggle with it like Vasiljevs and Rizzo and they are all working on it for sure. In the meantime they do What they know and try their best to do so and here it all came together for Jason, and I for one am grateful that it did [emoji846]

 

[century2009]

I hope he will try a quad and not pop one. He has nothing to lose really. It's not like he's going to the GPF with a gold.

I agree. It will probably be called under, but he has nothing to lose. Might as well. He just needs to try already.