2019-20 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

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A show like competition Japan Open suddenly becomes one of the most important early season events. Kihira&Miyahara vs. Zagitova&Trusova in fact is Kihira vs. Zagitova vs. Trusova. 3 top ladies will face each other for the first time. And I think that it's important to see what comes out of it, what momentum who gets. What is even more important is to see how they are going to be scored if all of them are more or less clean.

 

[Orlov]

So it's a slang word and should be actually про-катание. Like pro-skating. I would never figure that out.
Funny thing is that "skating on Luzhniki" is translated as "rentals on meadows" lol

No it's not slang word, just word.

It's just google-translate - senseless and merciless

If you meet the phrase - "Wife was not easy during her rental" ("Жене было непросто во время ее проката") - it's not about wife, it's about Zhenya, and it's not about rental, it's about skate

 

[zounger]

A show like competition Japan Open suddenly becomes one of the most important early season events. Kihira&Miyahara vs. Zagitova&Trusova in fact is Kihira vs. Zagitova vs. Trusova. 3 top ladies will face each other for the first time. And I think that it's important to see what comes out of it, what momentum who gets. What is even more important is to see how they are going to be scored if all of them are more or less clean.

Interesting indeed. Personally I would not focus much on the score though, mostly to see how for example Alexandra will do under big crowd as a senior and similar things. She looked very eager for that.

 

[Edwin]

A show like competition Japan Open suddenly becomes one of the most important early season events. Kihira&Miyahara vs. Zagitova&Trusova in fact is Kihira vs. Zagitova vs. Trusova. 3 top ladies will face each other for the first time. And I think that it's important to see what comes out of it, what momentum who gets. What is even more important is to see how they are going to be scored if all of them are more or less clean.

Looks like a fun event, perhaps not too serious? Hopefully the men listed under Team Europe won't let their female counterparts down.

 

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So it's a slang word and should be actually про-катание. Like pro-skating. I would never figure that out.
Funny thing is that "skating on Luzhniki" is translated as "rentals on meadows" lol

It's not a slang but it's a rather technical term. An average person would rather say: Я видел, как она каталась (I saw how she skated) rather than Я видел ее прокат (I saw her skating). But it becomes more and more a common word. And катание and прокат are different words. The first one relates to process - the second one to a completed piece. Somehow foreigners often have problems with this. There are 2 forms of verbs in Russian that English and other languages do not have: completed and incompleted. Every verb has those. Кататься would mean that someone is in the process of skating - катание. Прокататься would mean that there was a finished result of this skating - прокат.

 

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Looks like a fun event, perhaps not too serious? Hopefully the men listed under Team Europe won't let their female counterparts down.

Well, I am serious. I read recent comments here that Alina is finished. I don't believe that - I think that is is as strong now as never before. But I want to see how she is going to be scored vs. big jumpers if all are clean.

 

[Vilord]

Kanysheva is currently listed only for Italy.

Yes but Usascheva still has both Poland and Croatia so unless she is injured she will probably get one of those. My guess would be poland (against Liu) so she dont get back to back events but who knows?

 

[tempo]

Test Skates: Behind the Scenes from 1TV

The same video on YT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ou93SWI5P-Y

It's a very professional documentary film.

 

[andromache]

Well, I am serious. I read recent comments here that Alina is finished. I don't believe that - I think that is is as strong now as never before. But I want to see how she is going to be scored vs. big jumpers if all are clean.

I agree. I think she will keep her PCS lead above Trusova and Shcherbakova, especially early on in the season. I think she will also score above Kihira as long as Alina is clean. This probably wouldn't be the case if Alina hadn't won Worlds last season....but she proved herself after a season of ups and downs, and I think the judges are ready to support her 100%. But we are used to seeing PCS rise over the course of the season, and it's not always fair. Trusova is more than just a jumper, but her LP definitely focuses on the technical elements over the artistry, and I am concerned that the judges will give her too-high PCS for it just because of the technical difficulty. Shcherbakova has two very artistic programs, IMO, but she will have to be consistent, and her 4Lz is not.

Last season at Junior Worlds we saw that Trusova and Shcherbakova were scored about equal in PCS in the SP, but the judges really preferred Shcherbakova in PCS in the LP. This could also happen this season. Trusova's SP is the "easy" technical content, so she is able to be more artistic, but the LP is much more difficult and less artistic.

Ultimately, what Trusova receives in PCS doesn't matter too much - her LP BV will make her unbeatable, in my opinion. She can afford to fall on one quad if she lands the other 2 and still win.

And it will be interesting to see where Kostornaia falls. She doesn't have Alina's reputation or a quad or triple axel, but she has the most beautiful skating in the senior ranks. How much will that matter to the judges? We'll see.

 

[Vandevska]

Why? It's not stylistic it's technical so it's not really subjective ie. just because some likes how it looks, it shouldn't deserve the points as it's in the rules. Simulations show that air position is a part of proper technique and a skater should be tight in the air It's important because everyone talks about her jumping for her height and distance and that she should get the highest GOE, ignoring the other GOE requirements. At the same time, people talk about Anna's jumps being shorter and lower but forget about her beautiful air position. Of course, height and distance are core points and air position is not, but it's not the huge scoring difference that everyone seems to think and I don't think there's anything wrong with pointing it out. It's not a difference like who prefers the look of a bent or straight tan arm .

Here's the ISU Communication for this season: https://www.isu.org/figure-skating/...y-and-guidelines-for-marking-goe-2019-20/file

1. "Very good body position from take-off to landing" is not in the first 3 that are required.
2. Please post a link of where it says that it must be with a tight air position
3. The simulations also show that the jump should be with no prerotation and full-blade assist, and yet that's more than half of today's jumping passes
4. IMO it is subjective. It might not be beautiful for you, it's beautiful for me for example
5. Alena's jumps are truly big, all of them, and given the bullets in the ISU communication, she doesn't even need that tight position (which as I said I don't think is necessarily what makes it a perfect position) she can still get +5

As for Anna, I'm sorry but her jumps other than the 4Lz (which is like one of the biggest jumps out there) are on the smaller side. And as it's stated in the ISU communication that is a more important bullet point than the air position (which I agree is beautiful). However, obviously the height/distance she has is enough for the judges.

 

[Manitou]

It's not a slang but it's a rather technical term. An average person would rather say: Я видел, как она каталась (I saw how she skated) rather than Я видел ее прокат (I saw her skating). But it becomes more and more a common word. And катание and прокат are different words. The first one relates to process - the second one to a completed piece. Somehow foreigners often have problems with this. There are 2 forms of verbs in Russian that English and other languages do not have: completed and incompleted. Every verb has those. Кататься would mean that someone is in the process of skating - катание. Прокататься would mean that there was a finished result of this skating - прокат.

I get it now. Skated vs have skated. Or Polish: jechać i przejechać. (Polish has no simple and similar single word for skating, nevertheless the 'finished' concept by adding a 'prze' in front is the same. Just like 'про').

 

[Orlov]

news on a First Channel about test skating

last words of the news clip - "The fight for the throne of figure skating begins." TV people love this type of phrases, and usually I laugh at pathos, but not this time

 

[Ice Dance]

Yes but Usascheva still has both Poland and Croatia so unless she is injured she will probably get one of those. My guess would be poland (against Liu) so she dont get back to back events but who knows?

Usacheva and Sinitsina are both clearly placeholders at something. I've no questions there, only concern about whether Kanysheva will be ready to compete. Fingers crossed.

Poland is currently the deepest field on the JGP. 8 of the current top 15 ladies are assigned there. While only 2 are assigned to Croatia and only 2 to Italy. Somehow back-to-back seems like the wiser course of action in this scenario, IMO.

 

[Manitou]

Usacheva and Sinitsina are both clearly placeholders at something. I've no questions there, only concern about whether Kanysheva will be ready to compete. Fingers crossed.

Poland is currently the deepest field on the JGP. 8 of the current top 15 ladies are assigned there. While only 2 are assigned to Croatia and only 2 to Italy. Somehow back-to-back seems like the wiser course of action in this scenario, IMO.

Rooting for the "Polish" girl Ekaterina Kurakova . She went to Orser from Toruń and so far took the fifth in Riga. At 17 she should be higher if she has greater ambitions. Nevertheless, if she meets the points then she is guaranteed the Worlds. In Russia she would not be even close to be considered. Why didn't Lipnitskaya or Radionova take the same move????

 

[SkateSkates]

Usacheva and Sinitsina are both clearly placeholders at something. I've no questions there, only concern about whether Kanysheva will be ready to compete. Fingers crossed.

Poland is currently the deepest field on the JGP. 8 of the current top 15 ladies are assigned there. While only 2 are assigned to Croatia and only 2 to Italy. Somehow back-to-back seems like the wiser course of action in this scenario, IMO.

Back to back events would also give her another week to prepare. I agree it’s not the worst thing to happen. Better to debut with another week of training and have a stronger outing vs. debuting too soon and potentially missing the final because she’s not ready. Kostornaia did the last 2 events in 2017 and skated respectively in both to qualify for the final (although was admittedly better in the first one).

 

[Ice Dance]

Rooting for the "Polish" girl Ekaterina Kurakova . She went to Orser from Toruń and so far took the fifth in Riga. At 17 she should be higher if she has greater ambitions. Nevertheless, if she meets the points then she is guaranteed the Worlds. In Russia she would not be even close to be considered. Why didn't Lipnitskaya or Radionova take the same move????

Because Federations do not just let you leave after they have funded your way to the World or European podium. (Also Lipnitskaya was not well).

 

[AsadaFanBoy]

Rooting for the "Polish" girl Ekaterina Kurakova . She went to Orser from Toruń and so far took the fifth in Riga. At 17 she should be higher if she has greater ambitions. Nevertheless, if she meets the points then she is guaranteed the Worlds. In Russia she would not be even close to be considered. Why didn't Lipnitskaya or Radionova take the same move????

Lenok had back problems, moving to a different federation doesn't solve the issue of not wanting to do intense training with that kind of cost to her health. <3

 

[colormyworld240]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ou93SWI5P-Y

Good summary of test skates with BTS footage including a Dudakov wink in there. And I love that Alina always goes out of her way to give hugs to the little kids :luv17:.

 

[nussnacker]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ou93SWI5P-Y

Good summary of test skates with BTS footage including a Dudakov wink in there. And I love that Alina always goes out of her way to give hugs to the little kids :luv17:.

Apparently those screaming fans did bother some skaters in the end... Liza said: "There was no 'riot' today on the warm-up so I skated well".
Some people need to get a hold of themselves, that screaming was really disturbing. :noshake:

 

[Vandevska]

Apparently those screaming fans did bother some skaters in the end... Liza said: "There was no 'riot' today on the warm-up so I skated well".
Some people need to get a hold of themselves, that screaming was really disturbing. :noshake:

Yeah unfortunately it really looked like both her and Samodurova were affected. hwell: