2019-20 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[Scott512]

I don't know how the Sambo-70 and Jubileyniy (Mishin's home rink) fees relate to each other or how their budgets relate. Presuming Khrustalniy department of Sambo-70 is the most expensive rink in the country, it's collective efforts, completely modern up to date training regime, 4 fully qualified, interchangeable trainers, Zheleznyakov, this classical ballet teacher (whose name I cannot remember right now) and probably expert medical staff also, have produced and continue to produce the best skaters in quite large numbers. So IMO a good return on investment. Sambo-70 hasn't been built in one day, it took many years to reach this level of excellence.

It is not magic, the Tutberidze Effect, it can be applied to any rink when you really commit yourself and your staff to it. Sankt Peterburg needs new elan, new people with fresh ideas, unbridled ambitions, and this perpetual drive to excel in perfection.

Sure the coaches have a right to criticize their students after they give them the boot. But it's completely classless and damaging without question to their former students. Only Medvedeva in today's figure skating world can survive negative cooments from her former coach because she made it to the top of the mountain for three years. I can't imagine the emotional damage the vicious expelled and borderline fat shaming comments from Buyanova to Gubanova did to Nastya after they parted ways weeks earlier. There was no need for a 56 year-old woman to do that to a 16 year old girl who is already unhappy because she has not become the elite skater most of us thought she would be by this stage. Nastya was completely blindsided by what her former coach said about her. Those comments do no one any good. Maybe some coaches have so much tunnel vision that they can't behave normally when it comes to decency. Buyanova failed with Gubanova Radianova Sotskova and Turaskaya. It's unbelievable that a prominent coach would fail with all four ladies within the same year. I'm sure the coach is a little bitter about it. It is what it is but it's not hard in life to act decently to those who are struggling.

 

[nussnacker]

Sure the coaches have a right to criticize their students after they give them the boot. But it's completely classless and damaging without question to their former students. Only Medvedeva in today's figure skating world can survive negative cooments from her former coach because she made it to the top of the mountain for three years. I can't imagine the emotional damage the vicious expelled and borderline fat shaming comments from Buyanova to Gubanova did to Nastya after they parted ways weeks earlier. There was no need for a 56 year-old woman to do that to a 16 year old girl who is already unhappy because she has not become the elite skater most of us thought she would be by this stage. Nastya was completely blindsided by what her former coach said about her. Those comments do no one any good. Maybe some coaches have so much tunnel vision that they can't behave normally when it comes to decency. Buyanova failed with Gubanova Radianova Sotskova and Turaskaya. It's unbelievable that a prominent coach would fail with all four ladies within the same year. I'm sure the coach is a little bitter about it. It is what it is but it's not hard in life to act decently to those who are struggling.

The Gubanova incident still feels like a raw wound to you Scott, isn’t it

 

[mathlike]

I don't know how the Sambo-70 and Jubileyniy (Mishin's home rink) fees relate to each other or how their budgets relate. Presuming Khrustalniy department of Sambo-70 is the most expensive rink in the country, it's collective efforts, completely modern up to date training regime, 4 fully qualified, interchangeable trainers, Zheleznyakov, this classical ballet teacher (whose name I cannot remember right now) and probably expert medical staff also, have produced and continue to produce the best skaters in quite large numbers. So IMO a good return on investment. Sambo-70 hasn't been built in one day, it took many years to reach this level of excellence.

"Khrustalnyi" is rather smallish facility, placed in the middle of public estate, tightly surrounded by typical housing blocks, with not much additional space for outside playground or other physical training facilities. It has a bit of lawn/garden around, where younger kids might stretch and that's it.
There is a full size rink inside, but the construction site didn't provide additional space for internal training rooms, so they basically dug deep into ground to create those choreography rooms and the gym you can see in the vids. That's why there are no windows and artificial light only. There are ventilators, but one may wonder, if the air quality there is optimal for physical training.
http://самбо-70.рф/file_handler.php?image=3841
http://xn---70-5cdf9dpu.xn--p1ai/file_handler.php?image=3839
http://xn---70-5cdf9dpu.xn--p1ai/file_handler.php?image=3838
http://xn---70-5cdf9dpu.xn--p1ai/file_handler.php?image=3840

It's certainly NOT the most expensive rink in the country, probably one of the cheapest in Moscow alone. Plus it's heavily occupied by several figure skating groups and public skating. Tutberidze said once, she somehow manages the restricted training time, but her heart hurts when she looks at the kids wandering narrow corridors waiting for their precious ice time. That's why she, Zhenya and Alina asked Putin during post-Olympic meeting for a new rink.
For comparison, CSKA run by Buyanova, has two newest skating rinks with at least one dedicated to professional figure skating only, with all the facilities and equipment in place: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P96jn08Xn18

Compare the facilities and the outcomes.

 

[Scott512]

The Gubanova incident still feels like a raw wound to you Scott, isn’t it

Not at all. I found the coachs comments reprehensible. And in a way odd. It happened and it's over. But why try to scar and hurt somebody emotionally like that a couple weeks after they said their goodbyes after they parted ways already? That was bizarre from a coach and not just a coach a renowned coach with great power and influence.

Unfortunately I've had to fire people from time to time in recent years But I've never kicked anybody when they are down or talked about them after they left. And the couple times I've been fired that has not happened to me from what I know. It's just a professional behavior that people should have. But obviously sometimes that's asking too much of figure skating coaches. Some coaches are elite in their sport but that doesn't make them elite people. I have respect for the professor as the legend he has become but if he really did that to Lozko then I have lost my respect for him. the odds are almost insurmountable that any of these figure skaters will make it to the elite level. They need help and luck along the way. It seems like Alisa they have faced some kind of blackballing and her career is in a really tough place. I get the feeling that these skaters have no one to watch their backs from their federations. It's kind of like life where the strong survive and the weak get pushed aside. Sad but true. That's sports and that's life. But that doesn't make it right.

 

[Jontor]

I found this interview with Tutberidze on YT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mTs3GwrMpg

and I don't understand a word of it. What's it about?

Not understanding gives me a chance to study Eteri's body language though. She seems calm, focused, composed. She doesn't seem threatened, instead she is at the edge of her seat leaning forward and looking into the interviewer's eyes. But she doesn't laugh, she always keep her calm. She radiates power.

Sorry if this interview has been discussed here before...

 

[Lunalovesskating]

I found this interview with Tutberidze on YT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mTs3GwrMpg

and I don't understand a word of it. What's it about?

Not understanding gives me a chance to study Eteri's body language though. She seems calm, focused, composed. She doesn't seem threatened, instead she is at the edge of her seat leaning forward and looking into the interviewer's eyes. But she doesn't laugh, she always keep her calm. She radiates power.

Sorry if this interview has been discussed here before...

The interview was already discussed here. You should find the comments if you go back to around April when it was published

 

[Tolstoj]

FFKSPb should start applying themselves to find more independent financial means then? Sankt Peterburg is an affluent city, but is the major’s office really interested in keeping SPb valid in Russia’s and the worlds sports scene? It sort of is a matter of pride.
They are caught in a circle now.
Men’s, pairs and dance are still very competitive, ladies are not.
Tuktamysheva isn’t paying full attention to her career development I gather from the other threads. Samodurova with all respect is not on the same level as the Moscow skaters, Medvyedeva included.
Nobody in the JGP, hardly anybody in the Challengers, it is about time for a change in leadership I think.
New ideas, new elan, new people...

If we look at results alone we have

Tuktamysheva GPF 3rd
Samodurova Europeans 1st
Tuktamysheva WTT 1st

that's enough medals at the big competitions to keep investing in SPB ladies, Mishin is nowadays more successful with ladies than mens.

Konstantinova is also very strong.

I hope Rukavicin can find some success with Gubanova and Nugumanova.

It kinda breaks my heart reading that Fed should forget SPB because often the most artistic russian skaters come from SPB, i find Moscow's approach very formulaic (among all coaches).

 

[LiamForeman]

The interview was already discussed here. You should find the comments if you go back to around April when it was published

Was this the interview when she was asked who her favorite skater of all time was and she said Brian Boitano? LOL

 

[nussnacker]

Has anyone already posted Ellzaveta's full SP from that open practice session?
If not, here it is, the one without falls.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLaGWCr5XM4

A question: will she replace a 3T+3T with something more expensive?

 

[Scott512]

I found this interview with Tutberidze on YT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mTs3GwrMpg

and I don't understand a word of it. What's it about?

Not understanding gives me a chance to study Eteri's body language though. She seems calm, focused, composed. She doesn't seem threatened, instead she is at the edge of her seat leaning forward and looking into the interviewer's eyes. But she doesn't laugh, she always keep her calm. She radiates power.

Sorry if this interview has been discussed here before...

Yes I remember that interview and people's reaction to it. It was an okay interview I guess. No one criticize Eteri for it but as I remember people were not happy with the interviewer.

 

[Scott512]

If we look at results alone we have

Tuktamysheva GPF 3rd
Samodurova Europeans 1st
Tuktamysheva WTT 1st

that's enough medals at the big competitions to keep investing in SPB ladies, Mishin is nowadays more successful with ladies than mens.

Konstantinova is also very strong and popular in Russia among the influential people.

I hope Rukavicin can find some success with Gubanova and Nugumanova.

It kinda breaks my heart reading that Fed should forget SPB because often the most artistic russian skaters come from SPB, i find Moscow's approach very formulaic (among all coaches).

All true. Excellent points. I think generally Moscow trained skaters are better overall but certainly not artistically. But it is what it is and it's an uphill battle for St Petersburg based skaters.

 

[Jontor]

I hope Rukavicin can find some success with Gubanova and Nugumanova.

Is Rukavicin still coaching Talalaikina??

 

[dante]

"Khrustalnyi" is rather smallish facility, placed in the middle of public estate, tightly surrounded by typical housing blocks, with not much additional space for outside playground or other physical training facilities.

Specifically, they own a 2-store 66x56 m building. https://www.google.com/maps/place/L...9dcbe40eb!8m2!3d55.6378932!4d37.5243978?hl=en
The size of an ice rink is 60x30 m.

Was this the interview when she was asked who her favorite skater of all time was and she said Brian Boitano? LOL

Yes. And Ted Barton has asked her the same question, and she gave the same answer.

 

[Vandevska]

https://www.instagram.com/p/B1pB7oeob2y/?igshid=bvhelrn6o3lh

One of my favourite videos. [emoji16]

 

[icecreamandsprinkles]

http://www.isuresults.com/events/fsevent03111907.htm

Why are there no Russian ladies at Nebelhorn? Can they still be added? Honestly this is looking like a pretty weak field comparatively, and I’m sure any of the Russian ladies can medal or win here.

 

[Watch]

http://www.isuresults.com/events/fsevent03111907.htm

Why are there no Russian ladies at Nebelhorn? Can they still be added? Honestly this is looking like a pretty weak field comparatively, and I’m sure any of the Russian ladies can medal or win here.

That's highly surprising to say the least. Not only did I expect to see some Russian names in the mix, I was also pretty sure there aren't enough Challengers for the current top senior crop if there isn't at least one Russian lady participating at each?

 

[Rashela]

I find it rather stupid to send three top ladies to Lombardia, but none to Nebelhorn. It could be easy points for any Russian lady with this entry list.

 

[ruga]

Maybe they will add someone later? Last year in Lombardia Liza and Sofia were added a few days after. But it's weird indeed. They didn't plan to send anyone to Nebelhorn last year either until Alina had problems with Bratislava. Did they use to send skaters tehre before? It's relatively close to Russia, and there are 6 girls with GP assignments without challengers with 3-4 pre-GP competitions left.

 

[fabienne1996]

https://twitter.com/MedvedevaNation/status/1166261500782305281?s=19


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[Fluture]

http://www.isuresults.com/events/fsevent03111907.htm

Why are there no Russian ladies at Nebelhorn? Can they still be added? Honestly this is looking like a pretty weak field comparatively, and I’m sure any of the Russian ladies can medal or win here.

What? This doesn‘t make sense at all! Sasha, Aliona and Alina all still need a challenger event, don‘t they? And I suppose Stasya, Sima and Masha would want to do one as well. Not counting all the other Russian girls who didn‘t make GP and are hoping for Challengers to raise their SB. With the amount of talented Russian ladies it seems like an incredible waste not to send someone to all challengers. I can understand leaving out the one in the US because of the traveling, visa issues and altitude but Nebelhorn?? Maybe they‘ll add some girls in the next couple of days. I don‘t know why one wouldn‘t want to go to Nebelhorn... The ice conditions looked good, the judges award scores rather generously and it‘s not exactly far away from Russia. Just makes no sense. I‘m guessing they‘re planning on sending Alina + Aliona and Sasha + Stasya to ONT and Finlandia? :think:

https://twitter.com/MedvedevaNation/status/1166261500782305281?s=19


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She also said she‘s steadily working on that 4S. No idea when we‘re going to see her attempt it in a competition (or official practice) for the first time but it‘s promising at least.