2019-20 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[Good Vibes Only]

Sofia having 3 Challenges or Maria having 1 is not the problem. The unused spots are.

Yes, I agree with this. I understand that Sofia probably wants to have more practice at competitions, but couldn't she have just gone to competitions in Saint Petersburg? I also understand that she probably wants to make sure that she has a good seasons best, but aren't there challengers after the grand prize series that she could go to if she doesn't get a high enough SB during the grand prix season?

 

[DenissVFan]

Yes, I agree with this. I understand that Sofia probably wants to have more practice at competitions, but couldn't she have just gone to competitions in Saint Petersburg? I also understand that she probably wants to make sure that she has a good seasons best, but aren't there challengers after the grand prize series that she could go to if she doesn't get a high enough SB during the grand prix season?

The last Challenger is at the beginning of December and it doesn't really matter if she goes to Ice Star or Golden Spin - both are 1 spot. I assume that had Sofia not been given / refused that Ice Star spot, RusFed wouldn't have assigned anybody, just like to Nebelhorn.

 

[Happy Skates]

Russia has never sent any Ladies to Asian Open. Then it's only two Challengers left. And "Gubanova's Gang" is around 9-10 skaters. Not enough spots left...
Maybe RusFed don't want any more Ladies in the SB list? It's crowded as it is already and there is still Sakhanovich, Kostornaia and Zagitova yet to skate.

Yeah, maybe they don't want a Sakhanovich situation to happen again. If I had to guess who's gonna be on the SB list next year (other than girls who will still be juniors ofc), it would be 4A + Tukt + Evgenia of course (most of those 6 are on the WS list anyways), and then there's only three spots left if everyone is going to get two spots. Sinitsyna already has a pretty high score, so its likely she'll stay in the top nine. I'd also really hope that Kanysheva ends up going to Youth Olympics and/or JWorlds and getting on there. Vasilieva and Tarakanova also have a decent shot. Of course then we have Konstantinova, Samodurova, and Sakhanovich. Samodurova is skating so many times that I think she might end up getting on there. Sakhanovich only has one shot so far unless she's assigned a challenger, so it'll be difficult for her. Konstantinova has a couple of GPs to try, and Rostelecom will likely be friendly judging, so she'll have a decent shot as well. And thats not even to mention Gubanova/Tarusina, our poor girls who were on the SB list this year but didn't get assignments. But its looking like they'll have one challenger each at most, so getting on the list will be really tough. Anyways, it seems like its already getting too crowded for everyone. Maybe we'll end up in a situation next year where 2-4 girls get 1 GP assignment. I'm hoping for the core 6 + Sinitsyna + Kanysheva + Tarakanova + Gubanova, with 2 of them only getting one GP. Although some girls like Konstantinova and Samodurova might end up still on the WS list, which would complicate things even further.

 

[Jontor]

Although some girls like Konstantinova and Samodurova might end up still on the WS list, which would complicate things even further.

Yes, Konstantinova and Samodurova is probably safe on the WS list even if they tank their GPs, so they won't need to be on the SB list. Then we will have a double Sotskova situation again next year.

 

[Happy Skates]

Yes, Konstantinova and Samodurova is probably safe on the WS list even if they tank their GPs, so they won't need to be on the SB list. Then we will have a double Sotskova situation again next year.

If this is true, then only two of Sinitsyna, Kanysheva, Tarakanova, Vasilieva, Gubanova, Tarusina etc can get two GPs at most. Or four of them gan get one GP.

 

[hanca]

Shabotova beat Daria Usacheva, Maya Khromykh and Frolova last season handily. Her scoring only tanks after the comment before that she and Frolova were the only two able to challenge the Eteri girls and she was the more talented one out of the pair of them. She now has a triple axel and is certainly the most talented Russian girl to swap federation and considering the state of Russia's olympic hopefuls they may regret loosing her.

You are basing it on last season, which doesn’t mean anything. One season Zagitova placed 9th at the junior nationals, the next season she won everything on junior level and the season after she was suddenly the Olympic champion. My point is, the fact that last season Shabotova was better than Usacheva, Khromykh and Frolova doesn’t mean that she is better now, and if she isn’t, it not necessarily because she is being punished for her comments regarding doping. Everyone develops at different pace and one year a skater may be ahead, and suddenly the following year lagging behind.

 

[Jontor]

If this is true, then only two of Sinitsyna, Kanysheva, Tarakanova, Vasilieva, Gubanova, Tarusina etc can get two GPs at most. Or four of them gan get one GP.

4A+Tuktamysheva+Medvedeva+Samodurova+Konstantinova=8. So only one of the above can get two GPs. Russia is in desperate need of more spots:think:

 

[SnowWhite]

4A+Tuktamysheva+Medvedeva+Samodurova+Konstantinova=8. So only one of the above can get two GPs. Russia is in desperate need of more spots:think:

If Sofia or Stasya were only in the WS top 24, and not the SB top 24, they might only get 1 spot each (like Maria this season).

 

[Jontor]

If Sofia or Stasya were only in the WS top 24, and not the SB top 24, they might only get 1 spot each (like Maria this season).

Yes that's true, and very likely. I also think that Sinitsyna looks pretty safe at the moment. Then two spots are left for one skater, or two with one spot each.

 

[Elucidus]

It's too soon to discuss GP spots for next season NOW, don't you think?

 

[Jontor]

It's too soon to discuss GP spots for next season NOW, don't you think?

Lol. You're right. Too soon.

 

[Good Vibes Only]

The last Challenger is at the beginning of December and it doesn't really matter if she goes to Ice Star or Golden Spin - both are 1 spot. I assume that had Sofia not been given / refused that Ice Star spot, RusFed wouldn't have assigned anybody, just like to Nebelhorn.

Oh ok thanks for clarifying

 

[Edwin]

About market value and the importance of having pets for personal promotion: https://prostoprosport.ru/figure-sk...kto-pobedit-masaru-zagitova-ili-tina-trusova/

Puma Russia has just launched a nationwide billboard campaign featuring Alina Zagitova, to promote its wares through the Sportmaster chain of stores.
Sportmaster has a much larger spread over Russia than Puma's own branded stores.

Interesting quote about Medvyedeva:

"Nevertheless, you shouldn't worry about Yevgeniya's’s income. As long as her name is public, Medvyedeva will always be happy to perform in shows. For the summer of 2020, the athlete is scheduled to perform in Japan as Sailor Moon, and the other day the box offices opened for Ilya Averbukh's New Year show “The Wizard of Oz”, where Medvyedeva will play Dorothy. It is officially stated that Yevgeniya will perform in all shows from December 30 to January 7, despite the fact that on some days there will be two or three performances. After Medvyedeva was declared ambassador of the 2020 Olympics, this is the second clear confirmation of the fact that the skater does not count on success at the Russian Championship in December 2019 and on getting into the national team for the European Championship. The role of Toto will be played by another invited dog, not Jerry."

 

[Happy Skates]

It's too soon to discuss GP spots for next season NOW, don't you think?

I can't help myself

 

[drivingmissdaisy]

Anna's lutz at Nationals looked pretty good. It's hard to tell from the angle whether she flutzed (I'd guess a flat edge), but she's really only 1/8 of a turn beyond the permitted half everyone is allowed to prerotate, and maybe 1/8 short of complete rotation on the landing, which is actually 1/8 more than is required. All in all, it was a very well executed element.

 

[NadezhdaNadya]

I hope you said the same in US ladies tread about Liu's quads and Lipetsky poor technique too? Well, you know, to be fair and consistent. No, you didn't? Why, I wonder?

So you say it is OK for Eteri students to cheat, because they are not the only ones??? And Lui is still new, while Eteri students have received sky high scores for years now... I wonder why??? They cannot even jump triple flip and triple lutz... let alone quads...

Anna's lutz at Nationals looked pretty good. It's hard to tell from the angle whether she flutzed (I'd guess a flat edge), but she's really only 1/8 of a turn beyond the permitted half everyone is allowed to prerotate, and maybe 1/8 short of complete rotation on the landing, which is actually 1/8 more than is required. All in all, it was a very well executed element.

Excuse me, but on which planet this a well executed lutz? It does not have an outside edge, it is not toe pick assisted and it has a loop like entry?
I will be really impress to see Eteri girls doing a real double lutz or even a real single lutz. I doubt that the can.

 

[Elucidus]

So you say it is OK for Eteri students to cheat, because they are not the only ones??? And Lui is still new, while Eteri students have received sky high scores for years now... I wonder why???.

No, I just don't like double standarts. It's not interesting to argue with so one-sided opponent, really.

They cannot even jump triple flip and triple lutz... let alone quads..

Judges think otherwise though. Deal with it

 

[cell]

Deluded much? She is a flutzer and a prerotator. Eteri and her poor technique! We love you, Eteri!
Please watch the video with 0.25 speed - it is not even a lutz - it has wrong edge, full blade (not toepick, which means that is prerotated a lot) and it is loop like... The revolutions were less than 3,50, I think?!? So no lutz and no quad at all:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJPPVSvjIOw

It's like Eteri has her own trolls. Always posting the same mantra about how she teaches prerotation, underrotation, starves her students... did I miss anything?

 

[NadezhdaNadya]

Also, while Anna can have flat edge at worst on a lutz - your beloved Yuna Kim flip always had wrong edge So each skater have its own set of strong and weak points - there is no reason to attack someone's weak points so strongly unless you are sure that your favorite is perfect (and noone is perfect as far as I know).

Are you being serious??? Please, learn what is a proper technique! And no - the incorrect edge is not the only problem with Anna's jumps... Her problems are way too many - she also uses full blade when she jumps both the lutz and the flip... Prerotation! And she uses a loop like entry. Maybe she should change the profession or just stop jumping lutz and flip since cannot jump them.
Yuna always had a perfect flip - correct edge and toe pick assisted, unlike Anna's flip. And please stop bringing other skaters who are not Russian in this topic...

It's like Eteri has her own trolls. Always posting the same mantra about how she teaches prerotation, underrotation, starves her students... did I miss anything?

It is not like these so called "trolls" are lying, right?

 

[JazzUp]

It's like Eteri has her own trolls. Always posting the same mantra about how she teaches prerotation, underrotation, starves her students... did I miss anything?

Yes! She also controls RusFed and ISU.