2019-20 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[Edwin]

Let's wait and see how stricter judging affects lesser skaters, the ones that usually aren't subjected to the full scrutiny of the tech panel, or the ones that ride on 'reputation bonuses'?

Maintaining concentration for two flights of six skaters is already quite demanding mentally for the tech panel, let alone in those competitions with six or more flights that last half a day.

 

[fabienne1996]

I honest to god don't understand why everyone thinks its a conspiracy? I honestly am glad about how the tech panel seems to work this season, mostly they are fair but strict, which is exactly what it should be. Annas edge was flat so she got the calls, since they most likely reviewed the quads and saw that, naturally they probably checked her other lutzes more closely. Why does everything have to be turned into a conspiracy?

Because for most of those in here it can not be possible that the skaters of one group now get also calls where most of the times they didn't get calls before, because how dare they since it has to be that they want to undermine them lol. [emoji2356] and i said it before already of all of the 3a Anna will have it the hardest, Sasha has 4 quads, Alyona is just an all-around package with the skating of a senior and has a 3a now, Anna is the one who most of the time struggled more

 

[ramed]

I honest to god don't understand why everyone thinks its a conspiracy? I honestly am glad about how the tech panel seems to work this season, mostly they are fair but strict, which is exactly what it should be. Annas edge was flat so she got the calls, since they most likely reviewed the quads and saw that, naturally they probably checked her other lutzes more closely. Why does everything have to be turned into a conspiracy?

Fair and strict judges are so hard at work to level the swans and the ducks but those stupid, rude eterians gals are stubbornly refusing to comply.

 

[silveruskate]

And I know you can't compare against competitions, but Anna's lutz edge is much more outside than Alena's who wasn't given any call in the FS last GP. And of course, Anna getting the same PCS as Sasha at Skate Canada makes no sense to me, as her PE/IN is much better.

Yes, in my opinion it's best not to compare. I saw Alena's 3Lz as shallow outside in the FS and with a better edge than the Lutzes Anna brought out in this competition so definitely not "much more outside than Alena's". She's worked on her edge and I think it shows.

 

[Thrashergurl]

I think if Zagitova and Medvedeva skate clean they could beat Anna. Anna is the weakest of the Russian senior ladies, and not even a costume change can hide those weaknesses. She might be the one left off the World team. Coaches really need to help her improve her overall skating. If she doesn’t hit those quads she might not even be top 5

 

[skatenewbie]

I think Liza is ahead of Bradie in the standings because she has two medals even though they have the same number of points. I can't see a world where Satoko doesn't end up on the podium at Rostelecom though, so it's a real shame.

Satoko might get pushed by Bell if she's skate like she did in IdF. Yuhana Yokoi and Stasya also could play spoiler

 

[starla16]

I think if Zagitova and Medvedeva skate clean they could beat Anna. Anna is the weakest of the Russian senior ladies, and not even a costume change can hide those weaknesses. She might be the one left off the World team. Coaches really need to help her improve her overall skating. If she doesn’t hit those quads she might not even be top 5

If she falls in her quads its over, she needs to improve her poor skating skills.
Her skating skills were okaish in junior although still not good, but looks to have regressed this year.

Her skating skills reminds me of Med in her early career.

 

[skatenewbie]

i think judges do see Anya as the weakest one, she land 2 quad in her FS, 2 times already and got 67 PCS, i thought she would get more in CoC (she did get UR and ! call but still...) im scared that Sasha will get ahead of Anya in PCS, currently, both have same 33/67. I think by GPF Sasha might be 34/69? Sasha is a great jumper and skater but her PE/IN just quite below her teammate

 

[starla16]

Both are competing next week if I am not wrong

yes Bell will be at CoR

 

[alvina9894]

i think judges do see Anya as the weakest one, she land 2 quad in her FS, 2 times already and got 67 PCS, i thought she would get more in CoC (she did get UR and ! call but still...) im scared that Sasha will get ahead of Anya in PCS, currently, both have same 33/67. I think by GPF Sasha might be 34/69? Sasha is a great jumper and skater but her PE/IN just quite below her teammate

PCS is not only about PE/IN. Sasha is clearly ahead of Anna in terms of the more technical side of the Components, i.e. SS and TR.

 

[fabienne1996]

If she falls in her quads its over, she needs to improve her poor skating skills.
Her skating skills were okaish in junior although still not good, but looks to have regressed this year.

Her skating skills reminds me of Med in her early career.

She is also the one that is build the most like zhenya from her body I mean, but also lets not forget that Anna had a broken leg and had to sit out I think almost a year, so basically the other 2 have a year on her . Correct me if I am wrong

 

[eterialskater]

I think if Zagitova and Medvedeva skate clean they could beat Anna. Anna is the weakest of the Russian senior ladies, and not even a costume change can hide those weaknesses. She might be the one left off the World team. Coaches really need to help her improve her overall skating. If she doesn’t hit those quads she might not even be top 5

Her overall skating is quite lovely actually, the audiences and commentators are liking her style and her performance ability. If the judges think they can bring her down with petty and biased judging then that's more reflective of there spiteful mindset. In musicality and refinement she can match Kostornaia, in athleticism she can match Trusova. It looks now like she needs to land those 4T and 3A sooner.

 

[moriel]

So, another GPF simulation with 1000 runs.

GPF chances:
- Scherbakova is in
- Kostornaia & Trusova: 100%
- Kihira: 99.6%
- Zagitova: 99.2%
- Miyahara: 95.5%
- Tennell: 3.2%
- Bell: 2.5%


Looks like no GPF for Tuktamysheva

There are some exotic possibilities for Medvedeva to get in:
- Zagitova bombs at NHK, Medvedeva wins gold at Rostelecom, Bell not second.
- Miyahara bombs Rostelecom, Medvedeva wins gold, Bell not second.

 

[fabienne1996]

So, another GPF simulation with 1000 runs.

GPF chances:
- Scherbakova is in
- Kostornaia & Trusova: 100%
- Kihira: 99.6%
- Zagitova: 99.2%
- Miyahara: 95.5%
- Tennell: 3.2%
- Bell: 2.5%


Looks like no GPF for Tuktamysheva

There are some exotic possibilities for Medvedeva to get in:
- Zagitova bombs at NHK, Medvedeva wins gold at Rostelecom, Bell not second.
- Miyahara bombs Rostelecom, Medvedeva wins gold, Bell not second.

While I do not think that zhenya has much of a chance there is also the possibility of rika bombing, and satoko and bell bomb too next week not that I wish skaters to bomb,but for me as a zhenya fan she doesn't need to go to gpf, she already won this titles twice in her career . She has more time to get ready for rusnats

 

[Thrashergurl]

Her overall skating is quite lovely actually, the audiences and commentators are liking her style and her performance ability. If the judges think they can bring her down with petty and biased judging then that's more reflective of there spiteful mindset. In musicality and refinement she can match Kostornaia, in athleticism she can match Trusova. It looks now like she needs to land those 4T and 3A sooner.

The judges aren’t being biased or petty. Anna is a nice girl and a decent skater, but the judges are doing the right thing. Hopefully it helps her skating to improve. Her coaches should be working with her on these issues. As fans we should also recognize weaknesses of the skaters and not turn a blind eye.

 

[moriel]

While I do not think that zhenya has much of a chance there is also the possibility of rika bombing, and satoko and bell bomb too next week not that I wish skaters to bomb,but for me as a zhenya fan she doesn't need to go to gpf, she already won this titles twice in her career . She has more time to get ready for rusnats

It is unlikely that Rika will be scored badly at NHK, while honestly, if there will be any chance of Medvedeva winning, rusfed will totally sink Satoko at Rostelecom to ensure Medvedeva makes GPF.

 

[Jontor]

What this sport needs is to make it more understandable for the public. The scoring system is complicated as it is and random fans don't even know the difference between a Lutz and a Toeloop. What is really confusing is seeing the scores ad up during the skate, then when the scores is announced the tech panel has shaved off 10 technical points and no one understands why. If ISU wants the sport to grow in popularity it needs to simplify and make the scoring system seem logic. Nitpicking edges and UR's that no one can see in real time doesn't help the sport at all.

 

[nussnacker]

The judges aren’t being biased or petty. Anna is a nice girl and a decent skater, but the judges are doing the right thing. Hopefully it helps her skating to improve. Her coaches should be working with her on these issues. As fans we should also recognize weaknesses of the skaters and not turn a blind eye.

If people disagree with you, it doesn’t mean they are turning a blind eye, it means people have a different opinion.

 

[rollerblade]

Anna's edge is definitely flat. Additionally, her team knows she has a flat edge and still puts 4 lutz jumps in her freeskate. It is like a challenge to the tech callers. Often tech callers will not call a skater with an e or ! if they only include one Lutz in their program but if they include 2 they will get called. Anna has 4.

You know how Eteri camp and their BV stragety - she has four Lutzes for the BV. Anna doesn't have a quad toe or sal (not that I know of anyway), so that's her best option. On a good day like SkAm where she doesn't get get edge calls, it's a good strat.

 

[Edwin]

It is unlikely that Rika will be scored badly at NHK, while honestly, if there will be any chance of Medvedeva winning, rusfed will totally sink Satoko at Rostelecom to ensure Medvedeva makes GPF.

Strictness of calling and judging will be most interesting in GP Rostelekom for sure, and wether ISU will remain objective and not bend under pressure.