2019-20 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[Edwin]

I think tossing girls wasn't Karolyis dream. It's just how international sports system works. It approves and sometimes actually demands such behaviour.

Those are very scary conclusions. For the proven abuse the USA gymnasts suffered is way, way worse than the perceived maltreatment the Khrustalniy figure skaters suffer in the minds of Kiira Koncerned Korpii and the like.

 

[Edwin]

Very interesting interview with Sergey Dobrin, an ambitious trainer from the regions: https://matchtv.ru/figure-skating/m...at_trojnyje_Bolshoje_intervju_Sergeja_Dobrina

 

[brakes]

We've got our first Russian lady competition since quarantine has been introduced. Go Anna!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBAfn4Z5r-c

Another link: https://tele-sport.ru/video/Domashnyaya-superliga-Superturnir-po-berpi-Den-2-2020-2020-04-20

 

[KOBOT37]

We've got our first Russian lady competition since quarantine has been introduced. Go Anna!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBAfn4Z5r-c

Another link: https://tele-sport.ru/video/Domashnyaya-superliga-Superturnir-po-berpi-Den-2-2020-2020-04-20

The wrestler and the rugby player should have advantage in that. Soldatova is probably a dark horse.

 

[brakes]

The wrestler and the rugby player should have advantage in that. Soldatova is probably a dark horse.

Yep, they say short and bulky people got advantage in this one. Anna is short but lean, Soldatova tall and lean, so I think she might have chance against her...

 

[Nocturne]

ISU should take a leaf out of FIG’s book on how to destroy the sport you govern.

Reduce the number of athletes per federation to prevent disencouraging podium sweeps under the pretext of promoting the sport over the rest of the world. Invite only commercially interesting competitors to the live finals.
The others are thanked for their efforts in secret qualifiers that take place out of view of the media and even interested fans.

Raise the minimum age while at the time provide on open ended scoring system to ensure longevity and continuous challenge of the athletes.
Advocate the suicidal chucking of skills for spectacle and entertainment.

Micro manage that scoring system to such an extent every season so that nobody understands the current rules, least of all the casual fan and majority of spectators. Give TV commentators no clue either, as long as they babble over the routines.

Create a show out of every major competition, complete with ‘Oscar’ and ‘Grammy’ like ceremonies to please the sponsors and commercial media.

I know this is off topic and there is stuff to be annoyed at in gymnastics, but so much of what you have written is simply not true.

Qualifications in gymnastics are never secret and nobody is invited to any finals. The reason prelims are not often broadcasted in media is because they are really, really long. At worlds I sat in the hall 4 days for 12 hours each day just to watch qualifications. Not something casual TV would show for casual fans.
The 8 best of prelims qualify to finals and while it's true that often gymnasts from later sessions have a better chance to score higher and therefore advance to finals, the prelims draw is random.

The open ended code was not done to ensure longevity. It was to reward people with higher difficulty to distinguish more betwen the gymnasts. And while it is complicated, it is still easier to understand than figure skating scoring in my opinion.

Moreover, when gymnasts started "chucking suicidal" skills, the FIG banns or reduces it's value to make it pointless to do. (For example, the Produnova Vault gets a 0 if you land on your butt, so Yamilat Pena or Dipa Karmakar stopped chucking it.)

Sorry for the Off topic.

 

[flanker]

We've got our first Russian lady competition since quarantine has been introduced. Go Anna!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBAfn4Z5r-c

Another link: https://tele-sport.ru/video/Domashnyaya-superliga-Superturnir-po-berpi-Den-2-2020-2020-04-20

The stream has started already.

 

[brakes]

The stream has started already.

These girls have no idea how to do burpee.

 

[flanker]

These girls have no idea how to do burpee.

Somebody explained in the chat that they made it easier for them by excluding the press-up. But of course without it it's pretty lame. Still I wanted to see Anna, however the stream has just died of corona virus, when Sasha Soldatova and Anna still didn't do their workout.

 

[brakes]

SOPmebody explained in the chat that they made it easier for them by excluding the press-up. But of course without it it's pretty lame. Still I wanted to see Anna, however the stream has just died of corona virus.

This works with Russian VPN: https://vk.com/telesport?w=wall-141682278_47320

 

[flanker]

This works with Russian VPN: https://vk.com/telesport?w=wall-141682278_47320

Too late, it could not be moved backward. But they've resumed the youtube stream here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrIqN0_Zfs0

So I could have watched her
According to them she did 42, wchich was among the best. Of course

 

[KOBOT37]

These girls have no idea how to do burpee.

Welcome to crossfit

 

[KOBOT37]

according to someone at FSO, Rugby player won with 43(if so, my prediction was right, as if we needed any more signs that world is coming to an end ), Anna and the wrestler had 42.

 

[brakes]

according to someone at FSO, Rugby player won with 43(if so, my prediction was right, as if we needed any more signs that world is coming to an end ), Anna and the wrestler had 42.

Anya stumbled one time, would have won otherwise.

 

[beachmouse]

J
So what do we have? from 22 OGM winners, 13 have retired immediately,another 4 retired after competing one more season, another one remains to be seen.

So far, from 21 (minus Alina) OGM winners only Herma Szabo, Sonja Henie,Katarina Witt and Yuna Kim had 'lengthy career' after winning OGM.

Do keep in mind that the Olympics were originally the plaything of the rich- the 'amateurs only' rules were designed to exclude a lot of athletes from middle class families and most from poor or working class families and unless your family was very very affluent like Sonja Henie's was, the Olympics were a 'one and done' experience for many athletes in many disciplines because the couldn't afford to train as amateurs anymore and couldn't even accept s token cosmetics company endorsement deal in order to help defray expenses. Over time, some countries in some sports hacked this to a certain degree by offering them a chance to train while in theory a member of the national military (see: Soviet Red Army Hockey- a grand and awesome to watch example of a military unit used for soft power diplomatic purposes). But in all likelihood a lot of the athletes from that pre-1992 era would have wanted to continue to pursue Olympic glory but felt like they couldn't ask their families to keep paying their expenses so they could maintain amateur status.

1992 is when the rules allowing athletes to take direct or indirect money for sport and it became more choice than necessity for many of them on when it was time to end an Olympic-eligible career. IIRC, it was in that time frame the ISU also changed their rules about amateur and professional skaters and eligibility for competition but I'm fuzzier on those details.

 

[Amei]

Anya stumbled one time, would have won otherwise.

Pretty much sums up Shcherbakova's "losses" this year - at both the GPF and Europeans had she landed the 3rd quad she would have won the overall competitions.

Somebody explained in the chat that they made it easier for them by excluding the press-up. But of course without it it's pretty lame.

Well wasn't this and all the little videos they've been posting of their 'workouts' done as a PSA about staying active while everyone is pretty much confined to their homes? What they did wasn't a true burpee, but its the 'beginner' burpee that I see trainers have people do; which fits with trying to encourage people to stay active.

 

[Fried]

Pretty much sums up Shcherbakova's "losses" this year - at both the GPF and Europeans had she landed the 3rd quad she would have won the overall competitions.

If, if, if. If Sasha had landed all of her quads, one "if" would have eliminated the other.

 

[Jontor]

I am starting to think that next season might be extra interesting.

All the girls are at home now, can't train as they used to, so it all falls down to who has the best training at home.

This might throw things up a bit. Maybe some needed more ice time than others?

Can this be the opportunity for ladies like Gubanova, Sakhanovich, Nugumanova to fight back next season?

Will there be a next season at all?

Many thoughts....

 

[Jontor]

If, if, if. If Sasha had landed all of her quads, one "if" would have eliminated the other.

It's a myth that "if" Sasha had landed all her quads she would have won everything. That would have been true in the early season. But at GPF, RusNats, Europeans she wouldn't have won anyway if the others also were clean. Sasha simply doesn't have the components, and she was always behind after the short.

 

[Happy Skates]

If, if, if. If Sasha had landed all of her quads, one "if" would have eliminated the other.

Anna did win the freeskate at both Euros and GFP this year though. She definitely could have won everything if quads were allowed in the sp. And thats not the same type of "if" because Anna has no control over whether quads are allowed in the sp.