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2019-20 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating
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Sometimes, a fish must jump a waterfall to become a dragon.
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So well said.
He is Evgeni Plushenko GOAT material. I expect more!First: Plushenko academy is 3 years and 1 month. Can you show me a coach, a club who produced a great champion from the zero? How many years did it take for Eteri to become a successful coach ?? Or BOrser?
Second: Plushenko has a National Novice Champion, Sofia Titova, she beat Eteri's pupil. And you can see there some more talented little skaters. And you don't forget about Artem Kovalyov.
Third: Sasha Plushenko is 7 y.o.
?QUOTE=flanker;2600562]So, we will probably no longer hear "Sasha is mindless jumping robot/machine". Well, at least some positive outcome. :agree:[/QUOTE]
That's a very good point. Lol.
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No one does drama better than the Russians.
If Sasha had to switch, I would've loved to see her with Davydov who now has experience with training quads or even Panova to improve her weaker areas. Plushenko hasn't had much success even with Tarakanova who was arguably one of the best in terms of skating skills and basics. And didn't she say that Plusnehko forced her to learn quads when she wasn't ready? That would be frightening as Sasha seems to be fearless and needs someone to reign her in and train her in a controlled environment. She has said in the past that she can jump all day and her coaches have to stop her.
To have any coach to have you as the main focus only works when they don't have other skaters, otherwise there's always a "risk" that someone can do better than you and have the attention divided. And I don't think that's possible unless you have very generous sponsors to pay that personal coach's salary. I don't believe Sasha has that, as talented as she is. And I also don't think any coach would put all their eggs in her basket and train her and her alone even if she has landed all the quads but one. For example, what if Plushenko gets a more talented skater next season, or if one of his current skaters makes a drastic improvement and soars past? Such was the case for Alina who went from not having a JGP assignment to JWC in one season. And also last season with Alena and Anna were able to overtake Sasha who dominated juniors. They weren't the best since day 1.
It's unfortunate the Russian female skaters can't have coaches that give them their undivided attention, but that's just the reality of their talent pool. There was also a point when Sasha was an unknown and unremarkable skater, and if her coaches had focused their attention solely on the more successful skaters at the time, she would not be where she is now.
If Sasha had to switch, I would've loved to see her with Davydov who now has experience with training quads or even Panova to improve her weaker areas. Plushenko hasn't had much success even with Tarakanova who was arguably one of the best in terms of skating skills and basics. And didn't she say that Plusnehko forced her to learn quads when she wasn't ready? That would be frightening as Sasha seems to be fearless and needs someone to reign her in and train her in a controlled environment. She has said in the past that she can jump all day and her coaches have to stop her.
To have any coach to have you as the main focus only works when they don't have other skaters, otherwise there's always a "risk" that someone can do better than you and have the attention divided. And I don't think that's possible unless you have very generous sponsors to pay that personal coach's salary. I don't believe Sasha has that, as talented as she is. And I also don't think any coach would put all their eggs in her basket and train her and her alone even if she has landed all the quads but one. For example, what if Plushenko gets a more talented skater next season, or if one of his current skaters makes a drastic improvement and soars past? Such was the case for Alina who went from not having a JGP assignment to JWC in one season. And also last season with Alena and Anna were able to overtake Sasha who dominated juniors. They weren't the best since day 1.
It's unfortunate the Russian female skaters can't have coaches that give them their undivided attention, but that's just the reality of their talent pool. There was also a point when Sasha was an unknown and unremarkable skater, and if her coaches had focused their attention solely on the more successful skaters at the time, she would not be where she is now.
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" If you go, you don't know what you're leaving behind, if you stay, you won't know what you're hoping to find " Neil Peart lyrics to a Rush song, IIRC.
Applies to all transfers. We care for Aleksandra because we love her since she conquered Australia in 2017, but our whole emotions would have been different is she were a legal adult, deciding her own fate by herself.
The only positive effect of an 18 years age limit would be that all skaters are legal adults, and we wouldn't worry so much about them.
Applies to all transfers. We care for Aleksandra because we love her since she conquered Australia in 2017, but our whole emotions would have been different is she were a legal adult, deciding her own fate by herself.
The only positive effect of an 18 years age limit would be that all skaters are legal adults, and we wouldn't worry so much about them.
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I think the choice Sasha made to leave was her own, and there's nothing wrong with it. And there's also nothing wrong with wanting to be the top girl who comes first. I'd imagine all the skaters want this. I just don't think it is realistic for the female Russian skaters. She's not going to be the only girl in Plushenko's rink, unless he has a contract where he trains her alone. And maybe she will be the best there for the next decade. But there are other skaters, and it's possible that one, or many, will become better than her. If they're training in the same team, they'd deserve equal attention as well.
Even if Plushenko doesn't take a direct competitor, but trains other seemingly untalented skaters, what if they improve enough to become a competitor - is he going to hold them back for Sasha, or drop them? When Alina joined Sambo she wasn't anybody's competitor and no one would have dreamt that she would ever be competition for Evgenia. But she improved. When Alena joined Sambo, she also wasn't even considered for the first round of JGP spots. But she also improved and both she and Sasha overtook Anna who was the anticipated new star that year (though Anna was injured).
How many coaches are there in Russia? If they all only focused on one skater, where do all the thousands of hopefuls go? A coach should divide their attention equally among their students. And I don't know any coach who has only one pupil. Liza being Mishin's most successful skater comes to mind, but even then I'm sure Sofia got equal attention, as did Fedichkina when he had her. They didn't catch up, but that doesn't mean others can't.
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If you want to create your own Russian drama, use this link to see what drama you will start
https://twitter.com/fran_klymydear/status/1258090528555573253?s=21
I insulted Max Trankov because of an interview on sports.ru :dev2:
https://twitter.com/fran_klymydear/status/1258090528555573253?s=21
I insulted Max Trankov because of an interview on sports.ru :dev2:
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I appreciate you taking the time to respond to my original post but I’ve said all I wanted to say. It’s up to you how you perceive the coaching systems in place and it’s up to you to form your own opinions of them. Just don’t get my opinions on this twisted in the process. I would just like to be very clear that I was not the one suggesting one skater should get special treatment over another in their club. Those were the words of other posters, not my own.
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Ahaha this is fun
I had a fight with Danny G because I wanted to skate to Sex Bomb.
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Short resume of the Russian fs coaches/experts* reaction to the transfer 
* Mishina, Goncharenko, Kudryavtsev, Velikova
* Mishina, Goncharenko, Kudryavtsev, Velikova
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Any updates on Usacheva/Dudakov leaving Sambo 70? I don’t feel like reading through all of the messages on this forum 
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No one - no one - needs to be 'blamed' for the decision to part. Do we feel impelled to criticise and condemn every time someone we know changes their employer? or their hairdresser?
Tutberidze and her 'team' approach - even if I do believe it to be an imaginary spin - does bloody well by her skaters. However, she doesn't do it out of the kindness of her heart, she does it as a business model. And as I said, these girls are not team players, they are individuals paying the business, and they will not share their wins, especially the biggest and best. Any of them, like a billion and three skaters before them, is perfectly at liberty at any time to decide that they are not getting what they individually need any more and, with their eyes on a golden prize, look elsewhere. And Plushenko is taking on a massive risk and challenge given the fannish wars, but we know he is not averse to incredible risk, and has been there himself.
Will it work? We don't know. But as I mentioned on the other thread, no one saw Brian Orser as the one to become an OGM coach till Yuna.
And while as I also said, Tutberidze's methods bring huge success, it is possible - possible - that it is also bringing an inbuilt unsustainability, as expectations are already growing above what is actually humanly possible. In her world, it seems that second and third let alone top ten are increasingly not good enough. And only one can ever win.
Tutberidze and her 'team' approach - even if I do believe it to be an imaginary spin - does bloody well by her skaters. However, she doesn't do it out of the kindness of her heart, she does it as a business model. And as I said, these girls are not team players, they are individuals paying the business, and they will not share their wins, especially the biggest and best. Any of them, like a billion and three skaters before them, is perfectly at liberty at any time to decide that they are not getting what they individually need any more and, with their eyes on a golden prize, look elsewhere. And Plushenko is taking on a massive risk and challenge given the fannish wars, but we know he is not averse to incredible risk, and has been there himself.
Will it work? We don't know. But as I mentioned on the other thread, no one saw Brian Orser as the one to become an OGM coach till Yuna.
And while as I also said, Tutberidze's methods bring huge success, it is possible - possible - that it is also bringing an inbuilt unsustainability, as expectations are already growing above what is actually humanly possible. In her world, it seems that second and third let alone top ten are increasingly not good enough. And only one can ever win.
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The stuff people sometimes says here in all seriousness...
Well, anyway...Or maybe unsustainability of every Russian lady nowadays is caused by the unprecedented density of the field. Аs of now literally everyone in Russian ladies figure skating shares the same struggle.
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I lied to Tat to avenge my skater ahhahahahah
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Of course, if they're 18 we wouldn't have to worry about them, we could just bash them more
Edit: obviously sarcasm
