2019-20 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[Jeanie19]

Is Alexei Urmanov still coaching?

Yes

 

[Thrashergurl]

In the past when skaters would change coaches fans would often be sad, because they liked the partnership. Most times we would realize the changes happened for a valid reason. Now it seems that fans get angry and lash out. But it’s not our decision . Coaches kept things classy and confidential. They typically confirmed the split and wished that skater continued success. Skaters would usually do the same.
Now it seems the coaches sling mud, skaters try to focus on training, and the fans pick a side.
We need to give Plushenko a chance. Sasha wouldn’t have left Eteri if she was satisfied. Eteri was aware of the discontent. If one in the partnership isn’t happy then it’s time for a change. Just like in real life.

 

[plushyfan]

The thing with those high and to some extent unreal expectations is the direct result from Pluschenko's own PR work. He's claiming to have the best figure skating school, the best conditions, the best blabla for real stars like Sasha. Well, we expect then for him to fulfil those promises. That's the problem with people who speak too much before showing any results..

That is true. That is the best school best condition in Moscow. There are everything in same place. Ballet room, gym, medical room, etc. Even Gleichengauz mentioned it that they all know Plushenko's great conditions, right? One thing is missing...the time. He opened the academy in 2017.

 

[Sugar Coated]

Question? All public facilities like skating rinks are closed right now in Russia? Does this apply to privately owned gyms/rinks? I’m assuming plushenko’s is private? I remember reading that the rhythmic gymnastics team had planned to resume training. Not saying this motivated her decision, but does Sasha have a current advantage to resume training immediately?

 

[Arbitrary]

Question? All public facilities like skating rinks are closed right now in Russia? Does this apply to privately owned gyms/rinks? I’m assuming plushenko’s is private? I remember reading that the rhythmic gymnastics team had planned to resume training. Not saying this motivated her decision, but does Sasha have a current advantage to resume training immediately?

I'd say the ice rink training within the Pluschenko Academy is more or less equal to the hall training in the Crystal Dome. Little she gained if any.
Looks like Sasha isn't switching coaches, she's switching off.

 

[esteticlove]

That is true. That is the best school best condition in Moscow. There are everything in same place. Ballet room, gym, medical room, etc. Even Gleichengauz mentioned it that they all know Plushenko's great conditions, right? One thing is missing...the time. He opened the academy in 2017.

to be the best school includes to offer the best teaching..

EDIT: I actually don't want to be starting any discussions with you because I know you are a hardcore fan and I don't want to upset you. Even as I said, I'm more sceptical on the way Plushy tried to turn the media against Eteri (for whatever of reason..oh, well some of us get the reason), than for Sasha and Rozanov moving to him. He has a new building, some stuff you just enlisted, which btw Khrustalny rink also has... The only question mark is how the things will work out but for that we'll see. Still, he has some advantage in comparison to Brian Orser, for example, when he took Medvedeva, because unlike her Sasha is still in her prime time, she's still young and healthy and might manage to overcome the difficulties that come with the change.

 

[Edwin]

Question? All public facilities like skating rinks are closed right now in Russia? Does this apply to privately owned gyms/rinks? I’m assuming plushenko’s is private? I remember reading that the rhythmic gymnastics team had planned to resume training. Not saying this motivated her decision, but does Sasha have a current advantage to resume training immediately?

The Moscow mayor's order that all sports facilities remain closed till May 31 applies to Plyushchenko's too. Why run the risk of infection in private enterprises? Or an infraction of government orders by providing 'secret ice'?

Yevgeniy Viktorovich himself said that there are acquaintances of the family infected. Maintaining self isolation and quarantine, all people leading society have an exemplary role here.

The infection rate is still rising, the spread hasn't been contained. New pockets of infection spreading are discovered all over Russia daily, and wether the health system is coping and capable of treating each and everybody? I don't know. It's probably a bad time to be poor and live in the countryside.

FFKKR's doctor is fighting in the frontline at some army hospital, if Alyona Kostornaya were already a third year medical student, she'd called up to serve too.

Will Putin fall for circes et panem to appease the populace?

Regarding the panem part, any government has huge problems in keeping the economy from collapsing, preventing mass unemployment, families falling into poverty, preventing marital and child abuse, not to mention preventing mass social unrest, perhaps civil uprising even.

Circes can be arranged easily by the athletes under state command, but who would risk his life, apart from well paid professional soccer players and the like? Would a parent want to part from their child for him/her to have training in some remote, isolated, presumed safe training base for months? Before even letting people back into stadiums, like some neighbouring countries have no problem with?

 

[Good Vibes Only]

Sergei Rozanov now has his Fan Fest if you guys want to check it out!!

 

[Supernovaimplosion]

What would you expect from her?
That statement from VK account (verified?) presuming to be Aleksandra was denied by Mr Trusov. That fake statement didn't sound bad at all.

All young athletes the stature of Aleksandra, Anna, Alyona need a professional PR agent, or at least a sensible parent moderating their public social media, proof reading anything, checking the DM's for filth. No young adolescent needs the strain of having to deal with what surely must be coming Aleksandra's way for a couple of days now.

When ice reopens and the skaters are out again competing, the focus will shift and excitement will take over once again.

The sooner the better from my part

I don't think she should say anything right now. She should leave the drama to the adults and when the transition is official with the federation maybe make a statement thanking Eteri for their work or something

 

[Mathman]

So far, the majority of the 'turncoats' are the ones that hated Sasha's guts, called her a 'robot', blamed her for 'ruining ladies figure skating', etc - as soon as Sasha switched to Plyushenko, she suddenly became the 'brightest star of the Russian fs scene' to these folks

Still...if you disliked the skater before, but like her now, that's progress.

If you liked her before but dislike her now, that's going backward.

Best would be to like her then and to like her still.

I would say that about any skater. :yes:

 

[NadezhdaNadya]

Sergei Rozanov now has his Fan Fest if you guys want to check it out!!

:luv17:

 

[Azikin]

Wonder whether Mrs Kostyleva and Rozanov make up again.

Well I think loosing Kostyleva and Zhilina are bigger blows to Eteri's team than loosing Trusova. Just staying. I could be kind of expected that 3 best skaters in the world couldn't stay in one team. And please not Petrosyan, too. I really hope she will stay with Eteri...

 

[flanker]

Still...if you disliked the skater before, but like her now, that's progress.

If you liked her before but dislike her now, that's going backward.

Best would be to like her then and to like her still.

I would say that about any skater. :yes:

I've already written before, that it will be a progress if Sahsa will suddenly no longer be a "mindless jumping machine"

Though, in reality, I wouldn't call it a progress when a person who disliked a skater because of the team the skater belongs to suddely finds a love for him in the moment the skater has changed a coach. It's not liking the skater then, it just means you wish particular team and it's skaters don't succeed (that is not related only to Eteri's team, of course).

Also, having doubts about the choice of a coach doesn't mean disliking a skater. My in case, e.g., I'm truly not sure whether Plushenko's team is the right one. There is a chance with Rozanov, but so far Plushy's academy was generous rather with promises than results.And I understand, that it takes time before a new school/cocah gains results, but IMO Plushenko sometimes shows a self-confidence as if there was 20 years of succesful work in coaching behind him already.

 

[JazzUp]

The same happens with the fans who only defended her when she was in the team and now are saying she's a problem soooo...

Here? haven't seen any of Sasha's fans do that; neither on fso.

 

[plushyfan]

to be the best school includes to offer the best teaching..

EDIT: I actually don't want to be starting any discussions with you because I know you are a hardcore fan and I don't want to upset you. Even as I said, I'm more sceptical on the way Plushy tried to turn the media against Eteri (for whatever of reason..oh, well some of us get the reason), than for Sasha and Rozanov moving to him. He has a new building, some stuff you just enlisted, which btw Khrustalny rink also has... The only question mark is how the things will work out but for that we'll see. Still, he has some advantage in comparison to Brian Orser, for example, when he took Medvedeva, because unlike her Sasha is still in her prime time, she's still young and healthy and might manage to overcome the difficulties that come with the change.

You are right I'm a hardcore fan but if you read me I just defend him always. And I can bc I have many informations. I never said he is the best coach, he is better than everybody, he is better than Eteri and so on. He didn't show himself on that way. But he is a young coach and he has some results already. Plus he built his academy from the zero over 3 years. The Academy has cca 120 pupils that is great, don't you think?
I'm not sure there are other such complex school in Moscow. I read it maybe from Sima, or somebdy else....I don't remember. The skaters are travelling among the places.

 

[JazzUp]

Still...if you disliked the skater before, but like her now, that's progress.

Come on, they 'like' her only for leaving Eteri, what kind of progress is that?

 

[dunffvanstorn]

So far, the majority of the 'turncoats' are the ones that hated Sasha's guts, called her a 'robot', blamed her for 'ruining ladies figure skating', etc - as soon as Sasha switched to Plyushenko, she suddenly became the 'brightest star of the Russian fs scene' to these folks

I know you said “the majority”, but, in my case, I wasn’t a fan of Sasha’s programs and skating skills / lack of musicality, but I always admired her and liked her as a person. I think she made huge contributions to the sport. I also think her change to Pluschenko might be positive, although I can’t say it for sure, only time will tell. I’m also not the biggest fan of Eteri’s, but I think she’s a great coach, who might not be able to manage having so many talented girls in the same team competing against each other. I’m not the biggest fan of Pluschenko’s either, but I think it might help Sasha (not necessarily Pluschenko himself, but the structure he’ll offer Sasha and Rozanov’s work). Will Sasha become the number 1 lady in the world? I don’t know. Will her career end? I also don’t know, but I think this is less probable. Let’s wait and see instead of judging everything beforehand. Eteri has made mistakes when students left her, Pluschenko has made mistakes when students left him. Pluschenko is very new in the coaching world, let’s give the guy a chance. And let’s give Sasha a chance.


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[Jeanie19]

I know you said “the majority”, but, in my case, I wasn’t a fan of Sasha’s programs and skating skills / lack of musicality, but I always admired her and liked her as a person. I think she made huge contributions to the sport. I also think her change to Pluschenko might be positive, although I can’t say it for sure, only time will tell. I’m also not the biggest fan of Eteri’s, but I think she’s a great coach, who might not be able to manage having so many talented girls in the same team competing against each other. I’m not the biggest fan of Pluschenko’s either, but I think it might help Sasha (not necessarily Pluschenko himself, but the structure he’ll offer Sasha and Rozanov’s work). Will Sasha become the number 1 lady in the world? I don’t know. Will her career end? I also don’t know, but I think this is less probable. Let’s wait and see instead of judging everything beforehand. Eteri has made mistakes when students left her, Pluschenko has made mistakes when students left him. Pluschenko is very new in the coaching world, let’s give the guy a chance. And let’s give Sasha a chance.


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:agree: this is almost exactly how I feel. Except I am a fan of Plushenko as a skater.

And I will never be a fan of a coaching team over the skater.

 

[Edwin]

Trying to edit a large posting on an Android phone brings disaster like inadvertedly deleting the posting. So this a re-posting of my interpretation of:

" Sasha has huge potential, Plyushchenko will face huge demands. " Katarina Gerboldt - about Trusova's decision to change coach

Known from the past, Russian skater, and now coach Katarina Gerboldt, commented on the sensational transition of the medalist at European Championships and Grand Prix Finals last season, 15 year old Aleksandra Trusova from Eteri Tutberidze's group to Yevgeniy Plyushchenko, saying that such a development shocked the world of figure skating, but only the athlete herself and her past and present coaches can know the true reason.

- Did the transition of Aleksandra Trusova to the new coach shock you?

- Of course, this was a big shock not only for the press and fans, but also for the athletes. Many have a sense of indignation - how and why this could happen. But the answer to this is known only to Eteri Georgiyevna, Sasha herself, and Zhenya Plyushchenko. The situation is quite complicated for everyone. And I am heartfelt sorry for Tutberidze - she loves all her athletes like her own children. Parting is always painful and hard. I think for Trusova, this decision was also very difficult. She and Eteri Georgiyevna worked together for a rather long time, and it was she who led Sasha to the results that she is demonstrating at the moment. Can this be called a betrayal? I do not know. Unfortunately, an athlete's career is very short. And everyone choses what, in his opinion, is best.

- Is this transition beneficial for Plyushchenko?

- To take responsibility for an athlete such as Trusova is scary. Demands from Zhenya will now be very large. You need to have great courage and confidence that you can give Sasha even more and make her better.

- A change of coach will benefit or could harm Trusova?

- Only Sasha can answer this question. It is she who knows the real cause and reason for the transition. I think that her current coach can more clearly clarify the whole situation.

- Could the transition be due to the fact that one coach cannot physically devote an unlimited amount of time to each particular student, given the large number of talents in Turberidze's group?

- I have said more than once that Eteri Georgiyevna is a talented coach and a woman with a capital letter. For a whole year she led not two or three leaders, but a very large group. And she always found time, strength and attention for everyone. I cannot say that she withheld something from somebody. But every talented athlete requires really a lot of attention. And the majority of athletes on the national roster is from the group of Eteri Georgiyevna. Over the course of this season, her students took leading positions. This suggests that she still finds the strength within herself to pay due attention to everyone. Otherwise there would be no such results.

- What are the prospects for Trusova under Plyushchenko? For example, Yevgeniya Medvyedeva, transferring to Brian Orser, who is considered a softer coach, could not reach a new level.

- You should not talk about this in advance. It all depends on the athlete. A talented coach is, of course, good. But if an athlete has no motivation and desire to work, it is difficult to achieve anything. But Sasha has great potential and a very strong sporting character. Zhenya (P.) was always a good and strong-willed athlete. Let's see what he can do with her in tandem, now as her coach.

Recall that Trusova's decision to change coach became known on Wednesday. The transition has not yet been formally formalised by the national federation, but the fact that is has already been implemented has been confirmed by both the staff of Tutberidze's and the Plyushchenko Academy. According to Yevgeniy Viktorovich, along with Trusova her personal trainer Sergey Rozanov also moves to him.

(c) Алена Гребенькова
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From: https://teamrussia.pro/news/novosti...-gerboldt-o-reshenii-trusovoj-smenit-trenera/

This being the official publication of Russian Olympic Committee, the mention of Rozanov being the personal trainer of Trusova, might mean just that. But let's wait for FFKKR confirmation first.

I believe to have read Tat'yana Mishina more or less telling the same, as did Inna Goncharenko.
Clear to me, these female coaches have a more human interest point of view on the matter, concerning a child

 

[Sugar Coated]

The Moscow mayor's order that all sports facilities remain closed till May 31 applies to Plyushchenko's too. Why run the risk of infection in private enterprises? Or an infraction of government orders by providing 'secret ice'?

Yevgeniy Viktorovich himself said that there are acquaintances of the family infected. Maintaining self isolation and quarantine, all people leading society have an exemplary role here.

The infection rate is still rising, the spread hasn't been contained. New sources of infection are discovered all over Russia daily, and wether the health system is coping and capable of treating each and everybody? I don't know.

FFKKR's doctor is fighting in the frontline at some army hospital, if Alyona Kostornaya were already a third year medical student, she'd called up to serve too.

Will Putin fall for circes et panem to appease the populace?

Regarding the panem part, any government has huge problems in keeping the economy from collapsing, preventing mass employment, families falling into poverty, preventing marital and child abuse, not to mention mass social unrest, perhaps civil uprising even.

Circes can be arranged easily by the athletes under state command, but who would risk his life, apart from well paid professional soccer players and the like? Would a parent want to part from their child for him/her to have training in some remote, isolated, presumed safe training base for months? Before even letting people back into stadium, like some neighbouring countries have no problem with?

Because in the US, many places are opening up again (whether this is right or wrong) if you can limit the amount of people. Like keep the total under 10 and maintain 6 feet apart. I’d imagine that this would be harder to do for a public rink as how do you decide who is allowed. But a private rink might be able to give access to a few priority skaters.