A lot of people pre-rotate, at this point its not penalized extensively so no one focuses on correcting it. Shcherbakova can rest assured though that if her quads are downgraded to triples based on her prerotation if the technical panel is judging fairly than there are a good number of other skaters who should be having their triples downgraded to doubles.
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A lot of people pre-rotate, at this point its not penalized extensively so no one focuses on correcting it. Shcherbakova can rest assured though that if her quads are downgraded to triples based on her prerotation if the technical panel is judging fairly than there are a good number of other skaters who should be having their triples downgraded to doubles.
I've seen pictures but no video.
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Sofia followed by Liza, not their programs but EX numbers, https://youtu.be/4Csz_-sZE7Y?t=3183 at around 53rd minute. They are looking fine.
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Hahaha.
By the way, I wish ISU new rules (that were cancelled) can be active again. - Joined
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Including Anna.
Her triples are as pre-rotated as her doubles. So - downgrade them to doubles. Then skaters like Alexia Paganini can medal.
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Hahaha.
I’m sure it will happen after Olympic cycle ends.
That is astonishing. I'm genuinely confused about what this means in totality.
Well, yes. But I couldn't even parse the response to me.
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Including Anna.
Then skaters like Alexia Paganini can medal.
What I don't understand though is your dislike for Anna. It's the new technique that everybody has now. Twisting the upper body to get the jump done. And the Eteri girls maybe has it more than others. I just re-watched Europeans and there is no difference between Shcherbakova's and Kostornaia's Lutzes. But you don't criticize Kostornaia, only Shcherbakova.
In the Lutz thread (that you started!) there has been some great examples of Lutzes from yesterday. Just face it, no one does Lutzes like Viktoria Volchkova anymore. Or Julia Sebestyen.
Maybe Anna Shcherbakova is not your cup of tea. Fine. But all this constant nagging about Anna and pre-rotations is getting old. Evgenia Medvedeva is not one of my favourites, but I don't post excessive messages about how bad she is. That is just rude. And frankly, your constant complaining about Anna is just that - rude.
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Including Anna.
Then skaters like Alexia Paganini can medal.
When did Anna cost Alexia Paganini a medal?
In the GP Series she skated against 4 Russians - none of them was Anna.
Did they also pre-rotate and cause her not to medal?
Or are you going to blame Anna for anything and everything?
They have not listened to any official sources that disagree with them - I don't think it has anything to do with technique, at this point.
I am not saying that a perfectly rotated jump is the "end all be all" in figure skating. I am just pointing out that a jump with 180° prerotation is not a perfectly fine jump. Nobody blinks an eye if a step sequence is downgraded within the rules, yet when a jump gets downgraded according to the rules, people are fuming. Skaters are much more than their jumps and everyone of them has a different forte.
You've done no such thing. The person you quoted just now is a skater. You having read a manual incorrectly won't make you correct - they are pointing out EXACTLY that an axel with 180 pre rotation is fine, and yet you're still thinking you have it right? This is the way several jumps are taught - correctly, and they always have been. You might want to educate yourself by watching skating instead of looking at words. You don't understand how jumps work.
Exactly, same points for 4lz and 4l.and since the full blade assited lutz is basically a morped loop it should't be a problem to sell it as loop! Eteri is clever u will see!
By the way annas quad is much more impressive than any other lady out there. It has flow,length speed in and out,real wow factor. Flawed techniqe yes, but much more impressive if u see it live than trusovas quads for example.
By the way since there are not many Ladies with quads yet there is also not yet a gold standard techniqe defined yet. What if annas techniqe turns out as the future gold standard? Just a silly thought
Well, nobody hinders you from reading the ISU's official rules by yourself.
So in your opinion, a backwards takeoff from an Axel jump (which makes 180° prerotation since it's a forward entry) is how it's supposed to be?? That's new to me.
True. It is only about your personal taste in skaters.
One thing that is so wonderful about the sport of figure skating is that it brings so many different emotions in different people. What one person likes may not be the same as the other person. Of the big nations you can clearly see that Japan, Russia and the US has very different tastes. That also means that we must respect that people have different tastes.
An axel has a natural 1/4 pre rotation. According to your standards of defining these things, that's a "sideways take off".
You don't have to believe anything we say though. You can ask a local coach - and disregard them if they disagree with you. Tell them they're wrong because of what you read in the ISU manual.
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Here I have to disagree with you. I have watched the video of Anna's lutz many times in 0.25 speed and she pre-rotates much more than Alyona. Plus Alyona's lutz is much more toe pick assisted than Anna's lutz and she does not twist and bend her body in such a weird way when she jumps lutz. Another thing - Alyona's triple jumps have great height and distance unlike Anna's triples. And then comes the difference between their skating skills - Alyona has the best skatings skills out there and Anna's s skating skills are quite poor. I get why Alyona is so successful, but I do not get why Anna is.
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