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Anna - am I the only one who found her program boring? Apart from that, she looks like a 5cm taller version of last year to me, in a more mature dress. Jumps looked the same, small but done. Maybe her FS will be more of a statement or evolution.

Kamila - Amazing, she has it all and Storm is a perfect music choice. Might have actually wished they had saved it for the Olympics year? If she can stay at this level, she'll be on the Team and the front runner. No need to advance any further actually (unfortunately). Let's see if puberty hits next year or if she makes it.

Alena - Still the best movements and SS but she is clearly not ready, everything looked shaky. Her 3s look hard, no idea if she'll regain the 3A in time or at all. But the point is - WHY do they give her these damn music cuts?! She deserves a piece like the ones Kamila gets. Instead pop music cut together badly. I fear we may never see this talent skate a program to her actual potential since she clearly wants to quit after next year.

Sasha - Damn, as much as I can't stand Plushenko, he deserves credit here. She improved her SS and presentation immensely! Compare this to last year's Game of thrones.. a different skater. Jumps looked solid. Sasha, will you end up surprising us all?

Evgenia - respect to her for going on with skating after clearly having been passed by the generations below her. I hope she is skating for the pleasure and feels fulfilled even without medals or titles and Russia will have a mature ladies skater around.
 
Scott512 said:
Its just part of being with a big team and group. They all have to put up with it. It may be annoying to have ankle biters on the ice with you. But if Alina and many others can get through it and Aliona did for a few years just fine its just somehthng they have to deal with. Zhenya won Junior worlds then 2 senior worlds in a row and had to skate with kids on the ice at certain times. No way to avoid it other than leave and Aliona did.
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Do we know how often the top skaters were skating with novices before, and 8 skaters at a time?? Aliona herself was put into another group when she was not performing very well so I doubt there were frequently 9 year olds in the top group. And back then there was Evgenia, Alina, Tsurskaya, Tarakanova, Anna, Aliona, Sasha, Kanysheva and more. You can even count Kamila and Daria as they were older than 10 four years ago. So many older skaters compared to now....I doubt 9 year olds found themselves skating with these seniors too often.
 
Fried said:
Totally crazy, these Russians. :laugh:
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YEs. Totally agree. :laugh: I love everything in it, the theatric presentation, Baskov's song, voice ( I like him in general he was a opera singer in Bolshoi but he left it and became a pop singer) and Plushenko's skating on that tiny ice in the TV studio. I'm very jealous of the Russians! So many ice shows, TV program with figure skaters!
 
starlight97 said:
Damn, as much as I can't stand Plushenko, he deserves credit here. She improved her SS and presentation immensely! Compare this to last year's Game of thrones.. a different skater. Jumps looked solid. Sasha, will you end up surprising us all?
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A critic's praise is worth more than a fan's. Unfortunately, moments when people jump over their shadows are rare. You can see yourself as a role Model. :agree:
 
ruga said:
Too bad :(( hopefully it doesn't mean that she has lost a chance to qualify to RusNats and will be moved to later stage.
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I hope she gets to go to another stage. She is such a lovely skater. I want to see her compete internationally.
 
ruga said:
Too bad :(( hopefully it doesn't mean that she has lost a chance to qualify to RusNats and will be moved to later stage.
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Because of a pandemic they should have the same national team they had last year at Russian Nationals in all disciplines. You're going to see a lot of skaters missing time because they're injured from the off-season or their parents don't want them to skate because of the pandemic or whatever reasons.

Ksenia had built up some serious momentum now it's gone.

On the side note now that Aliona has spoken about her situation with TT and why she moved on I hope it's put to bed once and for all. I'm not sure she should have brought Anya and Kamila into the discussion about munchkins on the ice getting in the way but what she said made sense.

Some supposedly impartial internet journalist name Yandex wrote kind of a hit piece on Aliona after her interview yesterday. He made a mountain out of a molehill with things she said about the program she had worked on with TT before she moved to PA. One thing for sure is Aliona is going to speak her mind. I think EG is going to have to keep an eye on what's going on on the ice when her top talent is there and that these little kids better stay to the side and not get in their way before somebody such as a TT star gets hurt.
 
Hi, I woke up to the Alyona news, and I’m trying to figure out the story. So, Alyona had a Plushenko program ready to go for today, but she’s ditching that program and getting a new one by Shae Lynn Bourne? So, all in all, Alyona had to learn 3 long programs for this season?
 
NAOTMAA said:
its probably an unpopular opinion but:

I HATE Billie Eilish music with the passion of a trillion burning suns so i want to know why a skater who has the potential to be artistically one of the best in history is skating to this crap? No adult is willing to say "girl I know you like her music but for a competitive program no way, save it for the exhibition." I'm totally biased since I hate the music but it seriously feels like taking all Alena's artistic potential and putting it in the trash bin.
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You actually have good taste in music. ;)
sclloyd said:
I disagree. Find an international competition with 8 skaters warming up on the ice and you see it is already crowded. Then add in a bunch of 10 year olds who do not know yet how to identify patterns or who may not be as adept as others at dodging collisions and you've created a dangerous environment. There's no reason that we shouldn't respect Aliona's concerns, they are of course perfectly valid. Especially with things like her long 3A set up, or trying to skate fast and learn quads when we know that Aliona is a pattern jumper like Bradie and gets consistently by repeating an entrance over and over (which is definitely a contributing factor to why her lutz was shaky today also, that entrance change) Imagine trying to do that in a rink with 7 other girls skating who take up the whole rink, and then add in children, that is not a training environment that is an obstacle course.

I'd also add that we can see how easy it is to run out of space when she is so near Veronika in an AP instagram video of Veronika's 3A and there aren't even that many of them on the ice. There's also an extended interview that wasn't posted here so I'll link it below my comments. She states that when she was ten they skated with older girls but they were told to stick to the boards, and if they interfered or cut off the older girls they would be booted from training. So I don't think that the problems with skating with the younger kids were insignificant. She also discusses getting yelled and cursed at for not performing which would be considered an abusive coaching practice in the United States where I'm at. Of note, she said that when something is not working well in practice with Plushenko, they abandon it, work on something else, then return to it. Which definitely seems more suitable for Aliona who can get very anxious and frustrated when something does not turn out well. Previously she has stated that she doesn't perform well when she doesn't connect to an image or the music. So I can see her frustration in telling her coaches multiple times that the SP wasn't working for her. If she can move to a coach who allows her to be Aliona on ice, to express herself musically, to commit to a persona and image that will allow her to compete at her best, then why wouldn't we want her to pursue that?

To me there are no problems with her departure. She brought up her concerns with her coaching team multiple times, and not unreasonable concerns either. She doesn't obscure the way the situation unfolded to the press, she didn't fuel drama as it was occurring, and she gives thanks to TT. She also raised concerns with the general environment, and it seemed as though she also had worries for Kamila and Anna, so definitely no hard feelings there as was portrayed earlier. She decided the the environment at Sambo 70 was not suitable for her anymore and left. It makes total sense. In any other country this would be a non-story.

https://www.sports.ru/tribuna/blogs/russiateam/2829756.html
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What you wrote makes sense and what Aliona said makes sense but nobody else on that team has ever said anything like that and theyve had a lot of great skaters before aliona and they'll have a lot after her and they all put up with the same things. AK became frustrated with things and made the most controversial coaching change I can ever remember in figure skating but it sounds like she's happy at PA and I think we all want to see her smiling and skating great in this forum.

One thing for sure is EG is not changing for anyone and she's made that perfectly clear that you must fit into her system.
 
Evgeniya was a bit shaky, I don't think she'll do really good this season :\
Alyona's program I didn't like as well. I thought it was the music but samodurova also had pop music and hers was alright. maybe it's the relatively little time alyone had to prepare, all things considered... I wanted to see her FS, shame she withdrew.
my favorites are still sherbakova and valieva, they skate so fluently
 
I just have to say that regarding Alena sometimes it's not about what the skaters supposedly deserves, but about what they actually want to skate to. Skating fans say they want to hear less warhorses, but when a skater decides to think outside the box, they still complain. Honestly, I can completely understand why Alena wouldn't want to skate to a more lyrical piece. Although I love pop ballads, lyrical pieces can be a snooze, but I'm just a millenial, trying to understand the mindset of a generation Z-er.
 
flanker said:
I will oppose that it was completely new. Sasha actually had lyrical program like that already in february at the ice show The Way to Victory:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOUW_DazdvY

Similar to me, though I won't say anything like "not as good" as that seems like big piece of bias.

As for endless objections to Anna, I say the edge of the Lutz was outside:
https://i.postimg.cc/PxB3P75p/Anna-Lz.jpg

As for the Lo, I would say "q", which under current rules is fully rotated.

Making conclusion about "getting worse" seems very bias again, as this is the first event of the season, it's not like this is how the whole season will look like.

I understand that you are a fan of Sasha, but you go pretty far with your comments. You can praise one without making unfriendly comments against the other one.
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The toepick still hadn’t touched the ice.
 
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