Yes there is not enough skating...instead we have coaching dramas. And I don't know why....I can't wait until Saturday and Stage 2. (And a potential new episode of Eteri vs Plush)
Watching skating is what keeps me sane these days.
2020-21 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating
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Agree. Medvedeva is a grown up now. And I also think she should know by now how this numbers game is played. You can get level 4 on your spins without a Biellmann. Medvedeva have had really poor spins lately, adding a Biellmann won't make them better. She knows that, right?!?
Overall, I feel a lot of skaters do things because they think that is what they need to do. Instead, they should ask themselves, What can I do with my talents to get the most points possible?!?
Maybe it's the coaches fault. They will of course push for the most technical difficulty possible. But I think the +5/-5 system (that's been great imo) might change that, and Kostornaia was certainly proof of that you can come a long way without the most difficult elements.
When you think about it, Kostornaia has the 3A, yes, but she doesn't have a great Lutz so she doesn't pack her programs with a lot of Lutzes, she doesn't have a great Biellmann, so she doesn't focus on that as well. What is left is excellent quality of everything else, and with the +5/-5-system, that way gets you very far.
And when I watched younger and older aged Novice last year, I felt that some of those in the middle of the pack had some great potential, and I wouldn't be surprised to see them rise in the future--as long as they get the opportunities. So many fall away-for various reasons-they lose motivation, puberty, injuries etc. But even if they are only stars at 11, 12, 13-they still got to shine and be at the top and they should carry that with them.
Agree and disagree. Lots of young talents never get to their potential, because they are stars too early and have unreasonable expectations (imo).
I don't think anyone below the age of at least 15 yo have the ability to see things objectively and what is going on. So, I would prefer that we shield the younger skaters from success before they go senior.
And then I think about Trusova. Being a superstar already at the age of 13 (or even before that) hasn't done her anything good. I can really feel her frustration from last season when she got beaten time and time again. She wasn't used to that. And all that pressure from everyone around her saying she was the phenomenon of the century. Talk about pressure. Now, Trusova is a fighter and a warrior, so I believe a lot in her, but she really could have done without all that pressure - she was too young for it.
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But did she have a poor showing the last 2 seasons? Maybe for her own standards, but she’s the reigning Worlds bronze medalist and last season was the highest scoring Russian lady outside Eteri’s trio formerly known as the 3A.
I actually feel bad for Medvedeva. She seems to have a rap love for the sport, but I don’t know that her body can keep up with the youngsters.
Yes she did enough to get the Worlds bronze in 2019 but in truth she backed into that by a favorite having a mediocre outing, it's not like she came in and did a lights out performance, but she's been inconsistent often having a fairly abysmal performance in 1 of the segments of her GP competitions, she's been saved from terrible finishes because GP fields aren't stacked with all the top competitors at 1 event.
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Didn't know that Skate Canada with Trusova, Kihira, Tennel, Young You, Yelim Kim and co. is not "packed".
Zhenya had the 6th highest SB last season (225) and only skaters who have ultra-C elements (3A, Kamila and Rika) managed to beat that last season. Even with her messed up SP but great FS at Skate Canada she would have medaled bronze at Cup of China and Skate America with her total score, with the extremly packed Skate Canada it was only 5th. She was in fact at some of the most packed events last GP season. She would have been placed much higher at different events. Btw Zhenya's SB of 225 last season was higher than her SB during her 2015-2016 season, when she won Worlds, which so many love to quote her as one of her best seasons.
True. And I actually think that these past two seasons she had a lot of reputation scoring going on. That bronze at Worlds was very very lucky imo, I would have her at sixth or below if I was scoring.
Nevertheless, even though Medvedeva has never been my cup of tea, I admire her for fighting on. You go girl!
You can't compare the scores though with 2015 as the scoring rules changed in 2018-19 season.
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I don't think Evgenia's bronze was a lucky win at all. In the short program, she got an underrotation call on her 3T, which was not under and other skaters with glaring underrotations were not called. In the free , she did have a call on her 2A which was true, but others were not called. So she was not gifted. And both of her performances were great. I don't even like her tango program, but at Worlds she sold it and I've rewatched it probably a hundred times.
...and Belarussian Varvara Kisel.About 1.5 years ago I thought Akatyeva would rule Rus FS after 3A+K, now here comes Zhilina sisters, Samodelkina and (probably) more
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...and Belarussian Varvara Kisel.
She's Russian isn't she... Pretty familiar name.
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She was my favorite skater of that group of skaters to debut on the same season: Alexandra Proklova, Evgenia Medvedeva, Maria Sotskova, Serafima Sakhanovich.
Unfortunately, injuries happen.
Hm I'll need to learn to use this site better, multiposting isn't great
OK. Predictions for the weekend:
1. Valieva (she will probably get 6 bonus points for her spins which Trusova can't catch, she needs to be superclean though)
2. Trusova (it will probably be very close, if she lands ALL her quads she wins)
3. Usacheva
4. Frolova
5. Konstantinova (I am really excited to see her again!)
6. Talalaykina (I would LOVE it if she ends up higher, but realistically...well, go Maria!)
7. Sidorova (has she improved from last year? maybe she can be an upset?)
8. Onishchenko
9. Sarnovskaya
Did I miss anyone?
My dream podium would be Valieva, Trusova and Talalaykina, but that won't happen...
1. Valieva (she will probably get 6 bonus points for her spins which Trusova can't catch, she needs to be superclean though)
2. Trusova (it will probably be very close, if she lands ALL her quads she wins)
3. Usacheva
4. Frolova
5. Konstantinova (I am really excited to see her again!)
6. Talalaykina (I would LOVE it if she ends up higher, but realistically...well, go Maria!)
7. Sidorova (has she improved from last year? maybe she can be an upset?)
8. Onishchenko
9. Sarnovskaya
Did I miss anyone?
My dream podium would be Valieva, Trusova and Talalaykina, but that won't happen...
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...and Belarussian Varvara Kisel.
According to the Allskaters database Varvara Kisel trains in Sochi in Alexei Urmanov's group. Could someone confirm this? If so, it's nice that more coaching teams are emerging with competitive elements, especially from outside Moscow/St Petersburg.
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Hey, that‘s great! I‘ll quote that when I see “Medvedeva‘s scores with Brian regressed so much compared to her previous seasons with Eteri!“ the next time. But oh well. She‘s back with Eteri now. Let‘s see what that brings.
No, in all honesty - this is likely the end of that woman‘s career (who‘s ever come back successfully from a chronic back injury that might even need surgery?) and yet you all keep on talking about how her past successes were undeserved? Give me a break.
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Zhenya did. In 2018 after the Olympics, when she was not allowed to jump for months after her back injury was diagnosed. Zhenya came back many months later, managed to restore her jumps and won bronze at Worlds at the end of the season.No, in all honesty - this is likely the end of that woman‘s career (who‘s ever come back successfully from a chronic back injury that might even need surgery?) and yet you all keep on talking about how her past successes were undeserved? Give me a break.
Zhenya's aggravation has not even been fully estimated yet, she will get her diagnosis when she visits the hospital, lets not predict her end when we do not even know how bad it is and what chances of recovery she has. Let the doctors decide that.
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Plushenko? Though not sure if he had one recurring back injury or many different ones. And I'm not advocating that Zhenya go the bionic route...
Optimistically speaking, maybe the hospital visit and proper medical attention will avert the need for surgery and help to justify (to Fed/coaches/herself) adequate downtime for resting and healing.
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Plushenko?after 2010 his back was full of hardware.Hey, that‘s great! I‘ll quote that when I see “Medvedeva‘s scores with Brian regressed so much compared to her previous seasons with Eteri!“ the next time. But oh well. She‘s back with Eteri now. Let‘s see what that brings.
No, in all honesty - this is likely the end of that woman‘s career (who‘s ever come back successfully from a chronic back injury that might even need surgery?) and yet you all keep on talking about how her past successes were undeserved? Give me a break.
It's not undeserved, it never is. Those who wins those medals earned them. But in the veeery subjective sport of figure skating there is bound to be different opinions, right?Hey, that‘s great! I‘ll quote that when I see “Medvedeva‘s scores with Brian regressed so much compared to her previous seasons with Eteri!“ the next time. But oh well. She‘s back with Eteri now. Let‘s see what that brings.
No, in all honesty - this is likely the end of that woman‘s career (who‘s ever come back successfully from a chronic back injury that might even need surgery?) and yet you all keep on talking about how her past successes were undeserved? Give me a break.
I fear you are right though. This is probably the end of her career. And that's sad. But there is still a part of me that hope that Medvedeva fights back, I know she can do it.
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