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Sasha's highest SP score last season was 74. So lower.
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Yeah I get it. But all due respect, Kamila didn't even perform at her best today. She was far from reaching the same spins she had at the top moments of her season.. Seems the judges are pretending they just saw her best performance -ever- today and that is far from the truth but oh well...
Actually, skating is mostly about jumps. This was just the short program. No other skater has the technical content (ie, jumps) that Trusova has in her long program. If she performs everything, she will overcome the short program deficit and win overall.
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For me Stasia was the one who was robbed the most imo.
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I meant if she performed this same program with same technical content in an international competition.
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Actually I think Sasha would've received about the same score internationally. You have to reduce Kamila's and Daria¨s score for the 3 bonus points and than you get more or less (OK, a little more, but not that much) what they would receive internationally as well.
BTW, I remember those cries about "pity spins don't do so much points, something should change". Well, they actually do.
Though, if Sasha will land some four quads tomorrow (or three and a 3A or something like that), she shouldn't worry about anything.
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I can agree on that. That was 70+ performance IMO.
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What does the "nU" for one of Sasha's spins means? I'm not an expert in reading protocols 
Anyway, as many have said before, the scoring seems crazy to me. Yes, I'm a big fan of Sasha, but I still think she should have been third. It's just that the difference in scoring between her and Kamila and Daria is outrageous. Actually, I think Konstantinova and Frolova were also underscored.
Anyway, as many have said before, the scoring seems crazy to me. Yes, I'm a big fan of Sasha, but I still think she should have been third. It's just that the difference in scoring between her and Kamila and Daria is outrageous. Actually, I think Konstantinova and Frolova were also underscored.
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I wasn't going to post in this thread ever again, but I just can't with Sasha...
She skated beautifully, she put in a 3A because the rules won't let her jump her quads on SP.
And those judges and technical panel broke her heart.
How dare they. How dare they.
I don't care what you think of Plushy or Eteri, this is unconscionable.
I was having so much fun watching this competition, now all I can do weep for Sasha.
She skated beautifully, she put in a 3A because the rules won't let her jump her quads on SP.
And those judges and technical panel broke her heart.
How dare they. How dare they.
I don't care what you think of Plushy or Eteri, this is unconscionable.
I was having so much fun watching this competition, now all I can do weep for Sasha.
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Loved the dresses of the final flight - in particular, Kamila's was like clouds in the sky, and Valeria's was simply beautiful. Sasha's was really one of the prettiest costumes I think she has worn, and Daria's was elegant, classic, and to me a lovelier version of Evgenia's Anna Karenina dress.
I'm not sure what to make of the scoring. I just wasn't expecting a gap like that between Sasha and Kamila, and certainly not between Sasha and Daria, especially after Sasha got that 3A around. I don't think Daria was expecting her score either, given the surprise on her face. I suppose the bonus points for spins help, but the technical scores for Kamila, Daria and Sasha just ... don't sit quite right for me. Judge 2 and Judge 6 giving -4 GOE on that 3A kind of jump out at me. (Thank you, flanker, for sharing the protocols.)
Hum. I guess I am going to have to think about this.
I'm not sure what to make of the scoring. I just wasn't expecting a gap like that between Sasha and Kamila, and certainly not between Sasha and Daria, especially after Sasha got that 3A around. I don't think Daria was expecting her score either, given the surprise on her face. I suppose the bonus points for spins help, but the technical scores for Kamila, Daria and Sasha just ... don't sit quite right for me. Judge 2 and Judge 6 giving -4 GOE on that 3A kind of jump out at me. (Thank you, flanker, for sharing the protocols.)
Hum. I guess I am going to have to think about this.
That is true for the Long Program but we are talking about short program where there are more non-jumping required elements compared to the jumping elements.
Valieva was simply better than Trusova on those aspect then the bonus points even widen the gap in the score.
For the Long Program all Trusova need is to land her quads and the win is hers.
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nU stands for no upright position, which is a feature she needed to do on the spin.What does the "nU" for one of Sasha's spins means? I'm not an expert in reading protocols
Anyway, as many have said before, the scoring seems crazy to me. Yes, I'm a big fan of Sasha, but I still think she should have been third. It's just that the difference in scoring between her and Kamila and Daria is outrageous. Actually, I think Konstantinova and Frolova were also underscored.
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Maybe, though I can say Sasha was much more distant from her top capabilities than Kamila or Daria today.
Ha. But never from me, I like jump da jump jump programsBTW, I remember those cries about "pity spins don't do so much points, something should change". Well, they actually do.
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If by a "little" you mean10 points then yes. Valieva's highest international score was 74 points. She just got 85. Daria's highest SP score was 71. She just got 80. Take away 3 points and you still get massive overscoring..Actually I think Sasha would've received about the same score internationally. You have to reduce Kamila's and Daria¨s score for the 3 bonus points and than you get more or less (OK, a little more, but not that much) what they would receive internationally as well.
BTW, I remember those cries about "pity spins don't do so much points, something should change". Well, they actually do.
Though, if Sasha will land some four quads tomorrow (or three and a 3A or something like that), she shouldn't worry about anything.
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Thank you so much!
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Sasha's skating is nowhere near Kamila's no matter how often we would refer to "junior" and other similar terms.
Last season the topic was "Trusova is just about jumps". Now that she left Eteri the choir is very different. Familiar vibes....
Bonuses aside is 82 vs. 75 fair? I cannot say about 75. Maybe Sasha was underscored in levels. I remember how international panels gave her the range of level 2 to level 4 for exactly the same StSq. I am not such a big expert in levels, although last season I said more than once that her low levels were "due to a conspiracy". May be they should be low - may be not. But what is absolutely clear is that Kamila is worth every of 82 points she received today if we compare what she delivered with any 82+ performance from the past.
Last season the topic was "Trusova is just about jumps". Now that she left Eteri the choir is very different. Familiar vibes....
Bonuses aside is 82 vs. 75 fair? I cannot say about 75. Maybe Sasha was underscored in levels. I remember how international panels gave her the range of level 2 to level 4 for exactly the same StSq. I am not such a big expert in levels, although last season I said more than once that her low levels were "due to a conspiracy". May be they should be low - may be not. But what is absolutely clear is that Kamila is worth every of 82 points she received today if we compare what she delivered with any 82+ performance from the past.
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You were not among those I had in mindHa. But never from me, I like jump da jump jump programs
TBH, knowing that this competition gives out element bonuses I have somewhat less issues with the scoring. I haven't looked at the protocols, but I thought I saw an issue with a jump(someone here already mentioned it) and another with a spin.
The judging makes more sense with the international system (no spin bonuses: Kamila 82, Daria 77 and Sasha 75), but not enough sense.
Sasha's spin invalidation call was fair in the sense that it was correct, I guess (she rushed and came out of the upright position early, so she didn't get the minimum 3 rotations), but I do feel like it's something they would have neglected if she were still with Eteri.
Controversially I think the flip call was fair. Sasha's flip looks like a straight 'e' now and got a '!'. Daria's lutz can look like '!' or 'e' depending on the day, and today it seemed like a '!' and got no call. So they both did receive a little leniency.
Personally I would've had Kamila around 78, and Sasha and Daria around 76 ish. Maybe Daria and Kamila two points lower if I wanted to knock them just for being juniors, but I don't like the wait-your-turn rhetoric. The gap between Kamila and Daria is too big and the gap between Kamila and Sasha is even worse.
Sasha's spin invalidation call was fair in the sense that it was correct, I guess (she rushed and came out of the upright position early, so she didn't get the minimum 3 rotations), but I do feel like it's something they would have neglected if she were still with Eteri.
Controversially I think the flip call was fair. Sasha's flip looks like a straight 'e' now and got a '!'. Daria's lutz can look like '!' or 'e' depending on the day, and today it seemed like a '!' and got no call. So they both did receive a little leniency.
Personally I would've had Kamila around 78, and Sasha and Daria around 76 ish. Maybe Daria and Kamila two points lower if I wanted to knock them just for being juniors, but I don't like the wait-your-turn rhetoric. The gap between Kamila and Daria is too big and the gap between Kamila and Sasha is even worse.
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