2020-21 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[Resa]

I did a quick rescoring and will now object myself to the scrutiny. (kinda makes you appreciate the judges‘ jobs more lol)

Here‘s my ranking:
1. Usacheva 73,93 (76,93)
2. Tuktamysheva 71,72 (73,72)
3. Shcherbakova 69,58 (71,58)

Usacheva 73,93 (with spin bonuses 76,9)
2A +4
3Lze -1
FCSp4 +5
3F+3T x +3
CCoSp4 +4
StSq4 +3
LSp4 +5

Total TES: 39,73

PCS:
SS 8,75
TR 8,75
PE 8,25
CO 8,50
IN 8,50

Total PCS: 34,20

Tuktamysheva 71,72 (with 3A bonus 73,Or do you get one point for a 3A, don‘t remember)

3A +2
3Lzq+3T< -2
FCSp4 +2
3Fx +3
LSp3 +3
StSq2 +1
CCoSp3 +2

Total TES: 38,52

PCS:
SS 8,00
TR 8,00
PE 8,50
CO 8,50
IN 8,50

Total PCS: 33,20

Shcherbakova 69,58 (with spin bonuses 71,58)
2A +2
3F +3
CCoSp4 +5
3Lz!+2Lo x -3
FCSp4 +3
StSq4 +2
LSp4 +5

Total TES: 35,58

PCS:
SS 8,00
TR 8,75
PE 8,50
CO 8,50
IN 8,75

Total PCS: 34,00

Tbh, the ranking is as I expected it. Though I thought the difference between Liza and Anna would be bigger. But this really shows what a difference spin levels and PCS can make.

Well, that‘s just from Subjective Judge Fluture. What d‘yall think?

I think its quite good, however I would probably give Anna only 8 in Choreographie since you could easily change the music to another lyrical piece and the choreography would still fit

 

[Jontor]

Yes those are the rules I was familiar with hence my confusion. I count two full revolutions. Seems Plushy is right— best make it three so the judges don’t sell you short.

I wasn’t asking about Anna, only why Liza’s spin was degraded. It’s futile to compete with the rest of you who point by point compare skaters.

I will say, I’ve not been a big fan of Liza’s skating in the past, but I actually liked this performance of hers. The new dress is much improved, also. I hope she continues moving in a positive direction.

While we’re still on the subject of scoring... I remember a few weeks ago there was conversation about why Maia’s 4S was counted as << which seems topical again since Anya’s 3Lo was counted as a 2Lo. Shouldn’t it be 3Lo<< because it was supposed to be a 3Lo attempt?

No, Maiia's 4S<< was judged as a 3S, which meant more problems for her as she had a 3F invalidated because of that. Same with Anna here.
It was not a 3Lo<<, it was a 2Lo.

I think the consensus in that discussion back then was that a 3S is less than a 4S<<. So, same goes for Anna - she rotated the 3Lo attempt less than a 3Lo<< so it was deemed a 2Lo.

 

[yume]

I did a quick rescoring and will now object myself to the scrutiny. (kinda makes you appreciate the judges‘ jobs more lol)

Here‘s my ranking:
1. Usacheva 73,93 (76,93)
2. Tuktamysheva 71,72 (73,72)
3. Shcherbakova 69,58 (71,58)

Usacheva 73,93 (with spin bonuses 76,9)
2A +4
3Lze -1
FCSp4 +5
3F+3T x +3
CCoSp4 +4
StSq4 +3
LSp4 +5

Total TES: 39,73

PCS:
SS 8,75
TR 8,75
PE 8,25
CO 8,50
IN 8,50

Total PCS: 34,20

Tuktamysheva 71,72 (with 3A bonus 73,Or do you get one point for a 3A, don‘t remember)

3A +2
3Lzq+3T< -2
FCSp4 +2
3Fx +3
LSp3 +3
StSq2 +1
CCoSp3 +2

Total TES: 38,52

PCS:
SS 8,00
TR 8,00
PE 8,50
CO 8,50
IN 8,50

Total PCS: 33,20

Shcherbakova 69,58 (with spin bonuses 71,58)
2A +2
3F +3
CCoSp4 +5
3Lz!+2Lo x -3
FCSp4 +3
StSq4 +2
LSp4 +5

Total TES: 35,58

PCS:
SS 8,00
TR 8,75
PE 8,50
CO 8,50
IN 8,75

Total PCS: 34,00

Well, that‘s just from Subjective Judge Fluture. What d‘yall think?

Tuktik PCS:
SS 7,50
TR 8,00
PE 8,50
CO 8,00
IN 8,00
Total PCS: 32,00


Shcherby PCS:
SS 8,00
TR 9,00
PE 8,50
CO 8,50
IN 8,75
Total PCS: 34,20

I give Tuktik +2 for the layback and +3 to Shcherby's2A.
They end roughly with the same score like with the actual scoring.

 

[TripleAxelQueens3]

Tuktik PCS:
SS 7,50
TR 8,00
PE 8,50
CO 8,00
IN 8,00
Total PCS: 32,00


Shcherby PCS:
SS 8,00
TR 9,00
PE 8,50
CO 8,50
IN 8,75
Total PCS: 34,20

I give Tuktik +2 for the layback and +3 to Shcherby's2A.
They end roughly with the same score like with the actual scoring.

May I ask then, what were the TES scores? The PCS seem fair enough.

 

[sclloyd]

No, Maiia's 4S<< was judged as a 3S, which meant more problems for her as she had a 3F invalidated because of that. Same with Anna here.
It was not a 3Lo<<, it was a 2Lo.

I think the consensus in that discussion back then was that a 3S is less than a 4S<<. So, same goes for Anna - she rotated the 3Lo attempt less than a 3Lo<< so it was deemed a 2Lo.

I see, I was misremembering. Then there is no contradiction and everything makes sense. Thank you for the clarification/correction!

 

[yume]

My total was 70.14, so around 5 points.
For reference:
1. 2A - +3
2. 3F - +3
3. CCoSp4 - +4
4. 3Lz!+2Lo - -3
5. FCSp4 - +3
6. StSq4 - +1
7. LSp4 - +4

SS - 8.50
TR - 9.25
PE - 9.25
CO - 8.50
IN - 9.50

So Tuktamysheva 76 (since you said her score is ok) and Shcherbakova 70. I strongly disagree but different opinions are ok.

 

[silveruskate]

I hope for TR, it's taking into account transition between all edges and turns... unnecessary hoping and running should also be penalised under that component. It isn't just about jump transitions. At least from my reading of the PCS rules.

 

[Jontor]

Well, that‘s just from Subjective Judge Fluture. What d‘yall think?

I think you had a great subjective go at it! I think my subjectivness would have been different.

But what we got is 9 subjective Russian judges instead....

 

[TripleAxelQueens3]

So Tuktamysheva 76 (since you said her score is ok) and Shcherbakova 70. I strongly disagree but different opinions are ok.

Didn't include bonuses so 74, and then I'd take off two points for PCS in TR, CO and IN so at the end 72. I think 70 and 72 make sense.

 

[silveruskate]

My nephew made an argument with me one day. He made a great, loud fuss, and over and again, "...and another thing, and another..!" His persistence proved his passion far greater than my own conviction, so I offered to yield to his opinion, though it was still unclear. So I said to him, "Okay, I am ready to concede. What is your point?". He stomped his foot and said, "I want people to listen to me!"
I launched a new thread just for the scoring arguments, but we all demand the attention of the biggest audience for our grievances.

Thanks, I think this would be a good idea for international competitions, but as this is a national competition I think RLT would be more appropriate. But then I believe after the event, international competitions have their own thread?

 

[NadezhdaNadya]

Tuktik PCS:
SS 7,50
TR 8,00
PE 8,50
CO 8,00
IN 8,00
Total PCS: 32,00


Shcherby PCS:
SS 8,00
TR 9,00
PE 8,50
CO 8,50
IN 8,75
Total PCS: 34,20

I give Tuktik +2 for the layback and +3 to Shcherby's2A.
They end roughly with the same score like with the actual scoring.

Shcherby. Hahaha. Once I called her Shcherbi and an user here said:"Do you know her personally or is she your dog?"

 

[yume]

Shcherby. Hahaha. Once I called her Shcherbi and an user here said:"Do you know her personally or is she your dog?"

Well, given your nice words about her it isn't surprising.

 

[yume]

May I ask then, what were the TES scores? The PCS seem fair enough.

Around 38 for Tuktamysheva and 36 for Shcherbakova.
So both at 70 points overall without bonus and 72 with bonus.

 

[Jontor]

Can I just say that I loooove Nugumanova's 3Lo+3Lo combo. It is such a cool and beautiful combination to see.
However, again(!), she got it < on both jumps...so strategically, this is not a good combo for her.

But it is sooo cool to see though...

 

[TripleAxelQueens3]

I have developed the habit of simply not caring about jumps when watching Nugumanova because 1. her skating by itself is simply sublime and she doesn't even need jumps and 2. I know all of them are probably UR anyways.

 

[Jontor]

Strange...just checked the scores again and Liza's score has been upgraded one point to 77.36.
I don't know why. Her elements are the same, the only explanation must be that she got two bonus points for her 3A?

 

[Edwin]

No, there has been a mathematical error made. There is a FFKKR communique on it:

https://fsrussia.ru/files/docs/competitons/2021/3etap_2021_comm1.pdf

Already looking forwards to Trusova vs Kostornaya and the division of points, bonuses?

 

[Jontor]

No, there has been a mathematical error made. There is a FFKKR communique on it:

https://fsrussia.ru/files/docs/competitons/2021/3etap_2021_comm1.pdf

Already looking forwards to Trusova vs Kostornaya and the division of points, bonuses?

Hmm...I wonder where that error is. All the elements +GOE look fine to me.

 

[Lunalovesskating]

Hmm...I wonder where that error is. All the elements +GOE look fine to me.

The error was in the bonus points. 3As and Quads give 2 bonus points, however, the panel only gave one.

 

[eterialskating]

Here we go again with the same tired excuse for Liza's subpar scores. None of her jumps were particularly impressive zero flow and no transitions. Her non jump elements were thrash as usual. If she wants better scores then she should improve her transitions, levels, interpretation and choreography.