2020-21 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[have an ice day]

Right now obviously Sasha is the one who's the weakest but that can change in a second if she gets her quads under control.
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Well yeah I agree that she's the weakest(out of the 3A), but throughout all of the 19/20 season her quads were very stable in practice, she just had trouble dealing with the pressure and performing in competitions. There has already been footage of her performing 3lz-3lo, 4lz etc... in training after quarantine, and reportedly a 4lo sooo I hope all goes well for Trusova and all the other ladies!

 

[SkateSkates]

I think the only thing we know for sure is that we won’t know for sure until late December 2021 who is likely to make the team. And if it’s a close call for the 3rd spot, we might not even know until after Euros. Based on everyone’s guesses so far, it seems like the team should be Liza, Sasha and Maya based only on the fact that these are some of the least picked “top chances” skaters, but still have chances. This is a joke, but it’s obviously way too soon to predict this - we don’t even know how much of a season we will have next year. How will spots be distributed if there’s no worlds 2021? I have to assume Russia would have 3 based on any ranking system. We are also avoiding the elephant in the room - WADA. None of the ladies skaters were affected for 2018, but some of the pairs and dance teams weren’t invited, without a clear reason why. It’s horrible to say, but there’s a chance that could happen to a ladies skater. I just want to reiterate that I am NOT implying that anyone is doping or has had questionable tests, this is just a reality from the 2018 Olympics that needs to be considered. Correct me if I’m wrong, but the seemingly strange decision to not invite certain skaters without definitive proof of wrongdoing (that I am aware of) was never fully resolved, was it?

 

[Arbitrary]

We may safely assume the Korona affair had been orchestrated to doom Sasha's career specifically.

 

[SkateSkates]

If you call winning 2 Grand Prix events, a Challenger, and silver at the GPF “weak,” with the quad lutz being landed in all of those competitions, then what must you call the skaters that can barely do triples?! :gaah:

I’m not calling her “weak”, I’m saying this is what people were saying back in the fall. I think this was due to her scores not being as high as Sasha and Aliona, who had both broke 240 while Anna hadn’t broke 230 yet. But obviously, as the pattern shows, once people label you the “weak link” on goldenskate, you go on to have great success at your next events

 

[AshWagsFan]

I’m not calling her “weak”, I’m saying this is what people were saying back in the fall. I think this was due to her scores not being as high as Sasha and Aliona, who had both broke 240 while Anna hadn’t broke 230 yet. But obviously, as the pattern shows, once people label you the “weak link” on goldenskate, you go on to have great success at your next events

This seems to be a trend I guess. We shall see if Anna receives a blessing from the skating gods since the GoldenSkate forum has doomed her

 

[have an ice day]

This seems to be a trend I guess. We shall see if Anna receives a blessing from the skating gods since the GoldenSkate forum has doomed her

Haha Anna may succeed, but it really depends on 2 factors:
1. How well her jumps are looking (can she still do quads well; growth spurt...?)
2. How tough the judges are now that they have introduced new prerotation rules . (I remember the judges calling all of Anna's lutzes but then that abruptly stopped after Rusfed wrote their letter to the ISU claiming unfair judging.)

Who knows?

 

[Mathman]

To "Have an Ice Day." I just had to give you a thumbs up on your user name. :thumbsup:

Thanks for joining us. Post ofetn, post long!

 

[have an ice day]

To "Have an Ice Day." I just had to give you a thumbs up on your user name. :thumbsup:

Thanks for joining us. Post ofetn, post long!

Thanks a lot!! I look forward to posting on these forums

 

[eterislouisvuitton]

Shcherbakova and Akatieva - two skaters I predict longer careers for.

I'd like to hope for because they're both very similar and pleasant but I think we'll have to wait and see.

 

[starlight97]

I love these predictions. Gives hope.

As I said twice, I'm not predicting anything. And this comment about Sasha is not even looking to the future, it's a fact about the current moment, in which she is the weakest out of the 3.

 

[nussnacker]

Haha Anna may succeed, but it really depends on 2 factors:
1. How well her jumps are looking (can she still do quads well; growth spurt...?)
2. How tough the judges are now that they have introduced new prerotation rules . (I remember the judges calling all of Anna's lutzes but then that abruptly stopped after Rusfed wrote their letter to the ISU claiming unfair judging.)

Who knows?

New rules are cancelled until the end of Olympic cycle.
Rusfed wrote a letter after GP in France about the judging of Alina and Aliona, not about Anna, Anna's CoC was later. Rusfed's letter had to do with inconsistent judging at that stage, which was imo completely fair to do, because Alina and Aliona were absolutely judged harsher than their competitors.

Have a good day!

 

[Skatesocs]

I don't particularly care about Shcherbackova's jumps. I'm worried about her skating skills. She's really lacking with the way she moves her blades across the ice - very laboured, with very weak knee and ankle bends. It causes her to lag the music at times too. For a skater with clear talent in the artistic regards, that is irritating to see. It's a problem with a lot of the Eteri camp.

 

[flanker]

I don't particularly care about Shcherbackova's jumps. I'm worried about her skating skills. She's really lacking with the way she moves her blades across the ice - very laboured, with very weak knee and ankle bends. It causes her to lag the music at times too. For a skater with clear talent in the artistic regards, that is irritating to see. It's a problem with a lot of the Eteri camp.

As I've said, if competitions were won by GS comments, the ladies figure skating would look completely different. The tales about Anna "lacking skating skills" are starting to remind the tales about "Alina bending too much". And similar crap. The good thing is that GS "usual suspects" never put their money on the right horse in the past

 

[sparklestan]

I have a wild prediction: Maiia Khromykh for Olympic Champion in 2022.
I did not put her on my original list from like last week but today I realized something. Alina Zagitova did a Ghost: the Musical free skate for her first jr eligible year (2015-16, tho she was not on JGP). This past season Maiia, in her first jr eligible season, did a Ghost free skate. Could the similarities continue on to the Olympic title?

 

[flanker]

I have a wild prediction: Maiia Khromykh for Olympic Champion in 2022.
I did not put her on my original list from like last week but today I realized something. Alina Zagitova did a Ghost: the Musical free skate for her first jr eligible year (2015-16, tho she was not on JGP). This past season Maiia, in her first jr eligible season, did a Ghost free skate. Could the similarities continue on to the Olympic title?

This speculation has some romantic/mysterious feeling inside, at least

 

[have an ice day]

I have a wild prediction: Maiia Khromykh for Olympic Champion in 2022.
I did not put her on my original list from like last week but today I realized something. Alina Zagitova did a Ghost: the Musical free skate for her first jr eligible year (2015-16, tho she was not on JGP). This past season Maiia, in her first jr eligible season, did a Ghost free skate. Could the similarities continue on to the Olympic title?

YES I KNOW!
I was rewatching Russian Jr Nats from back in 2016 recently and Alina was skating to Ghost ost. Maya seems to have a lot of potential, especially with her arms, their GORGEOUS! I mean, almost anything can be possible in 1 and a half years!? Alina was barely doing most triples and in 1-2 years improved SO MUCH to become Olympic champion!

 

[Baron Vladimir]

I don't particularly care about Shcherbackova's jumps. I'm worried about her skating skills. She's really lacking with the way she moves her blades across the ice - very laboured, with very weak knee and ankle bends. It causes her to lag the music at times too. For a skater with clear talent in the artistic regards, that is irritating to see. It's a problem with a lot of the Eteri camp.

Her SS are not the best they can be, but certanly are not that bad as people presenting them. It can be that those people are somewhere 'reading' a wrong deffinition of SS, or better to say limited version of it, cause ISU and the judges obviously have a different view on it. Or those people just love to complain/be negative. The truth is - there are multiple ways to present your skating skills, and one way is not more valuable than another.

 

[Skatesocs]

I do not understand what "reading" a definition for skating skills means. I always thought skating skills meant "skills shown via skating" and weak knee and ankle bends for her (and Trusova) certainly figure in there.

 

[have an ice day]

The ISU's defintion of skating skills:

Skating Skills
Defined by overall cleanness and sureness, edge control and flow over the ice surface demonstrated by a command of the skating vocabulary (edges, steps, turns etc.), the clarity of technique and the use of effortless power to accelerate and vary speed

 

[Baron Vladimir]

I do not understand what "reading" a definition for skating skills means. I always thought skating skills meant "skills shown via skating" and weak knee and ankle bends for her (and Trusova) certainly figure in there.

I've never seen in any ISU regulations and definitions of SS criteria that a less demonstration of especially deep knee bending is equal with worse skating skills. You can certainly demonstrate your SS with a deep knee bending, but you can also demonstrate it through multiple steps and turns, multidirectional skating, one foot skating etc etc And its not possible to present both at the same time, you cant bend your knees the same way if you are in constant motion through the different changes of positions. You can just prefer one way more than another, that doesn't mean the other way is not a demonstration of SS too.