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I believe I made a posting on this, the 'official' fan channels of both Kostornaya and Trusova often headlining their postings with ' our Alyonushka ' or ' our Sashenka ', the smallest diminutive, as if they are 3 year olds. These channels have lost their independence, and it shows.

you're really picking on some minor insignificant stuff, I don't get it.
It depends. I remember when I was at high school thre were two teachers who used such (stupid, for us) dimunitives when they wanted to humiliate someone. By coincidence both were teaching german. I can say I never had a conflict with a teacher in my life, with the big exclusion of the one lady who had my group because of her attitude to me.
 
Wow, Aliona was worried about even going for the 3A, and this was 2 weeks ago. Maybe she has it back by now but I'm quite apprehensive for her to go for it if she's feeling like this. It's all so confusing as she's trying the 4S before having the 3A back, I wonder what's going on.

Different jump mechanics, perhaps if she's struggling to get the triple axel back the thought is to try a different ultra difficult element because it's likely a requirement to get on the nationals podium even though International competitions might not be happening this year, next year if she placed off the podium and its the coaches council is making the decision for the final Olympic spot (s) that finishing off podium this year could bite her.
 
Wow, Aliona was worried about even going for the 3A, and this was 2 weeks ago. Maybe she has it back by now but I'm quite apprehensive for her to go for it if she's feeling like this. It's all so confusing as she's trying the 4S before having the 3A back, I wonder what's going on.
In the video she says she wanted to try 3A in the free, but the coaches discouraged her right before her skate, because of it's success rate at that point.
 
Different jump mechanics, perhaps if she's struggling to get the triple axel back the thought is to try a different ultra difficult element because it's likely a requirement to get on the nationals podium even though International competitions might not be happening this year, next year if she placed off the podium and its the coaches council is making the decision for the final Olympic spot (s) that finishing off podium this year could bite her.
I guess. Not bad necessarily to switch to something else sometimes instead of being stuck on the same thing. Everyone's doing a 4T these days so I'm really curious about what Aliona's would like, especially with that rippon...but most likely just in my dreams.

The coaches must have picked 4S for a reason. I've heard Aliona's more reserved about quads and 4S might be less scary.

In the video she says she wanted to try 3A in the free, but the coaches discouraged her right before her skate, because of it's success rate at that point.
Considering what I saw in the video it's really surprising she was even landing it 2/5 times like she said. What is good IMO is that she is the one pushing for the harder elements. You can't learn if you don't want it yourself.
 
At the same time, the fact is that Eteri is a genius coach and a strong manager. It is she who is leading Russian undisputed dominance in ladies figure skating. Plushy still has at least 2 seasons ahead of him to prove that he can be a star coach as well. Let the deeds speak not the words.
Dont't get me wrong this is not Plushenko vs Tutberdize!!! I can’t deny and don't want to deny that Eteri is the better and more experienced coach. -Is this OK for you?:giggle:Plushenko is a beginner coach.. :wink: How can anybody deny it? This is fact.
You weren’t here when a certain poster wrote hateful, untruth things about Plushenko.— I won’t name it, he doesn’t exist for me, because no one deserves such thing in Fs world - In that big debate they said Plushenko didn’t work as a coach at all, he was on ice when the videos were made. I said it he worked a lot with Nastya according to Nastya's interviews then. And now Nastya pointed out they were wrong. But even Nastya’s words were denied, saying she was just polite. I reacted to that post.
But move on , this is not interesting anymore. We spent too much time with this .:frown:
 
I would like everybody to calm down. It makes me sad to see nice posters whose point of view I respect to fight this nasty battle. Last season Eteri was the primary target. Somehow the "h" word with respect to her critics was forbidden then. Now there are 2 camps and the word keeps flying freely.

I don't approve either her or his sarcastic words through public channels. As posters said here, most of teenage skaters are much more mature in their public assessments.

At the same time, the fact is that Eteri is a genius coach and a strong manager. It is she who is leading Russian undisputed dominance in ladies figure skating. Plushy still has at least 2 seasons ahead of him to prove that he can be a star coach as well. Let the deeds speak not the words.
No, it's not a fact. Where does this perception even come from? How many of her "top students" are still on the top? If your students are one hit wonders and last only until they are 18 and then fall apart, i don't see any "genius" in this :shrug:
 
No, it's not a fact. Where does this perception even come from? How many of her "top students" are still on the top? If your students are one hit wonders and last only until they are 18 and then fall apart, i don't see any "genius" in this :shrug:
I'm not posting this as any sort of rebuttal whether Eteri is a "genius coach" or not....
Frankly I don't even care.

But here is a perfect example of a poster being insulting to skaters of a coach they don't like.

In what universe are Alina and Evgenia (or even Anna for that matter) "One Hit Wonders"????
Alina - winner of every major title junior and senior
Evgenia - 2 time world champion, and way too many other titles to even have to mention.
Anna - 2 time Russian champ.

And, please, no twisting the meaning of the phrase like another similar poster did last year when calling Alina "one hit wonder" because she won each title only once.
 
Ok folks,

We've asked many times that members refrain from making negative and/or snarky comments related to coaches (mainly Tutberidze and Plushenko) out of this thread. It does nothing but create a hostile environment, divide our members, and detract from the topic itself - Russian Ladies!

We created a coaching thread for those who want to discuss coaches. Keep it there, but keep it neutral.

Any further snarky, snide, sarcastic, or negative comments pertaining to any coach (or fans of) will result in a ban from this thread.
 
I'm not posting this as any sort of rebuttal whether Eteri is a "genius coach" or not....
Frankly I don't even care.

But here is a perfect example of a poster being insulting to skaters of a coach they don't like.

In what universe are Alina and Evgenia (or even Anna for that matter) "One Hit Wonders"????
Alina - winner of every major title junior and senior
Evgenia - 2 time world champion, and way too many other titles to even have to mention.
Anna - 2 time Russian champ.

And, please, no twisting the meaning of the phrase like another similar poster did last year when calling Alina "one hit wonder" because she won each title only once.

Many people still want to believe that Alina only won Olympics, nothing else. There's this alternate reality that she's a one hit wonder despite her winning not only multiple competitions, but across multiple seasons. Mistakes and a silver medal meant that she was "finished" despite all skaters having periods of inconsistency to push her into the "Eteri's technique can't survive puberty and her skaters are one hit wonders" mold. Nobody says that Liza (won everything in the 2015 season and hasn't been to worlds since) or Sofia (one gold medal at a major international competition and clearly struggling with growth like everyone does at some point) are one hit wonders. God forbid Alina wins everything in 2 straight seasons, then gets 2 silver medals and Worlds gold in the third, and she definitely wasn't one of the only female skaters to not retire immediately after an Olympic win. Her retirement was predicted after every loss and win starting with Olympics.

Alina has said many times that the comments from officials and the public after the Olympics affected her mentally, and every time she made mistakes after that, she was torn apart by "fans" and people who were "worried". I would imagine that is what ruined her desire to compete, not her technique which she clearly has because she's still skating and jumping, just not competing. The "one hit wonder/she's over/puberty ruined her" critics aren't doing it because they're worried about her, they're using her as a tool to criticize Eteri and don't have a care in the world that for the effect on her mentally.
 
Many people still want to believe that Alina only won Olympics, nothing else. There's this alternate reality that she's a one hit wonder despite her winning not only multiple competitions, but across multiple seasons. Mistakes and a silver medal meant that she was "finished" despite all skaters having periods of inconsistency to push her into the "Eteri's technique can't survive puberty and her skaters are one hit wonders" mold. Nobody says that Liza (won everything in the 2015 season and hasn't been to worlds since) or Sofia (one gold medal at a major international competition and clearly struggling with growth like everyone does at some point) are one hit wonders. God forbid Alina wins everything in 2 straight seasons, then gets 2 silver medals and Worlds gold in the third, and she definitely wasn't one of the only female skaters to not retire immediately after an Olympic win. Her retirement was predicted after every loss and win starting with Olympics.

Alina has said many times that the comments from officials and the public after the Olympics affected her mentally, and every time she made mistakes after that, she was torn apart by "fans" and people who were "worried". I would imagine that is what ruined her desire to compete, not her technique which she clearly has because she's still skating and jumping, just not competing. The "one hit wonder/she's over/puberty ruined her" critics aren't doing it because they're worried about her, they're using her as a tool to criticize Eteri and don't have a care in the world that for the effect on her mentally.
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Many people still want to believe that Alina only won Olympics, nothing else. There's this alternate reality that she's a one hit wonder despite her winning not only multiple competitions, but across multiple seasons. Mistakes and a silver medal meant that she was "finished" despite all skaters having periods of inconsistency to push her into the "Eteri's technique can't survive puberty and her skaters are one hit wonders" mold. Nobody says that Liza (won everything in the 2015 season and hasn't been to worlds since) or Sofia (one gold medal at a major international competition and clearly struggling with growth like everyone does at some point) are one hit wonders. God forbid Alina wins everything in 2 straight seasons, then gets 2 silver medals and Worlds gold in the third, and she definitely wasn't one of the only female skaters to not retire immediately after an Olympic win. Her retirement was predicted after every loss and win starting with Olympics.

Alina has said many times that the comments from officials and the public after the Olympics affected her mentally, and every time she made mistakes after that, she was torn apart by "fans" and people who were "worried". I would imagine that is what ruined her desire to compete, not her technique which she clearly has because she's still skating and jumping, just not competing. The "one hit wonder/she's over/puberty ruined her" critics aren't doing it because they're worried about her, they're using her as a tool to criticize Eteri and don't have a care in the world that for the effect on her mentally.
OMG YESSSSS!! THIS!! Say. :clap: It. :clap: Louder. :clap: For. :clap: The. :clap: People. :clap: At. :clap: The. :clap: Back. :clap:

That's what I've been trying to say and pushback on the idea that Eteri's "genius" is somehow denied or decried because her skaters are "one hit wonders and only last until they are 18."

First of all, they're not "one hit wonders" at all. Every one of them has won everything at the junior or senior level, only losing to each other.
Second of all, why should they continue when they've reached the pinnacle of their sport? When you're at the top there is only one way to go still - that's down, unfortunately. When you're at the top, you're the one to beat.
Third of all, I think some skaters like Liza who have remained in skating are still skating because they HAVEN'T reached their goals and have more to give. What exactly is Alina supposed to still work towards?
Lastly, most skaters, regardless of age or nationality, have won and gone on to retire either immediately or soon after, such as Tara (after the Olympics), Katelyn (after Worlds), etc, while others continued because they hadn't reached their goals/had more to give, such as Michelle. The difference is that you used to have to "pay your dues" but now, if you're the best, you can ascend to dazzling heights and win everything major international titles at 16 years old. And yes, the technical content has gotten more and more demanding but that's not new - the sport has continually evolved - it is a sport after all. At one point triples were viewed as cutting edge and before them doubles, each generation with more technical prowess than the one before it. However, that's the way the points system is set up currently and yes it might favour a younger physic but that doesn't make it less demanding or make the accomplishments any less impressive.

Skating isn't everything - contrary to popular belief - and these girls don't owe us anything more than that. If they still love it afterwards and have the passion, then yes, continue. But they don't owe anyone continued seasons beyond what they want and they should be perfectly free to purse other interests and passions, just like everyone else.
 
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I know but, sometimes the videos from Europe are Geo-Blocked here in the US.
Dear Mr Rice, my dear fellow Butyrskaya fan, the Russian TV are sending all competitions on YouTube and there will be no geo-blocking.

Check out the Rostelecom Cup GP thread on this site and you will find the links to all competitions there.
The Ladies short program will start tomorrow at 19:10 Moscow time, that's 11:10 am New York time, you can see it all live! :party2:
 
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Dear Mr Rice, and my dear fellow Butyrskaya fan, the Russian TV are sending all competitions on YouTube and there will be no geo-blocking.

Check out the Rostelecom Cup GP thread on this site and you will find the links to all competitions there.
The Ladies short program will start tomorrow at 19:10 Moscow time, that's 11:10 am New York time, you can see it all live! :party2:
:thank: :yahoo::bow::cheer2:
 
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