2020-21 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

silveruskate

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It's ok if she just wants to land the 4T. The BV will surely be higher, but way more risky. Maybe the 4T isn't ready but you would think a successful landing at Stage 5 would calm nerves.
 

flanker

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It's ok if she just wants to land the 4T. The BV will surely be higher, but way more risky. Maybe the 4T isn't ready but you would think a successful landing at Stage 5 would calm nerves.
Replacing the 3A with 4T raises the BV for 1.5 point, which isn't much, the only advantage may be that both ultra c elements can be done solo without combo. Otherwise I'm not sure if it's worth it, considering that Liza's 3A is quite reliable jump so far.
 

Amei

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It's ok if she just wants to land the 4T. The BV will surely be higher, but way more risky. Maybe the 4T isn't ready but you would think a successful landing at Stage 5 would calm nerves.

Umm, I'm pretty sure ALL skaters want to land their jumps, I don't think many go into their programs thinking "ehh, I don't need to land this 1":rofl:

Its only beneficial to do the quad toe replacing 1 of the triple axels if she lands it and gets good GOE on it because honestly anything other than positive GOE she's going to be giving up points, she was usually getting about 10 points for a landed triple axel and about 10-12 points for the combination; a rotated and landed quad toe's BV is only 9.50 points. I mean I guess there's the psychological award/hurdle of "whew, I landed it in competition I can do it" but realistically point-wise the way its planned on being stuck into the program its not going to really gain her more points
 

silveruskate

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Replacing the 3A with 4T raises the BV for 1.5 point, which isn't much, the only advantage may be that both ultra c elements can be done solo without combo. Otherwise I'm not sure if it's worth it, considering that Liza's 3A is quite reliable jump so far.
Yes, I definitely don't think it's worth it. Especially the debut at nationals when you're replacing it with one of your most solid jumps for not much reward. Other advantage is it would also allow 2 3T combos but we know Liza doesn't like to do them so....

But if she thinks there's some hidden advantage to showing RusFed she can do a quad I don't know what else to say.
 

Vemvane

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Nov 11, 2019
So Liza N. it's a Tsarina. 👑
Why am I not surprised? 🤩

We need to define the format & combine the regions ⚙️
Osokina is from Tatarstan, so she joins Kamila. Shulskaia is from Orenburg.
Thank you!

So, if we were to combine the regions by federal district, we'd get better-balanced teams. With apologies in advance for any errors of geography, the teams would then be:

Team Central: Anna, Aliona, Evgenia and Sasha, with juniors Anna Frolova and Anastasia Kostyuk.

Team Volga: Alina, Liza and Anastasiia Gubanova, with juniors Kamila, and Elizaveta Osokina, plus Valeriia Shulskaia and Anastasia Tarakanova - don’t know if they’re juniors or not.

Team Northwestern: Stanislava Konstantinova and Elizaveta Nugumanova.

Team Urals-Siberian-Far Eastern (yes, I did smush three districts into one): Sofia Samodurova and Anastasiia Guliakova, with juniors Maiia Khromykh and Daria Usacheva.


We could just combine Northwestern and Urals-Siberian-Far Eastern, and then there would be six or seven skaters on each team.
 

McBibus

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Thank you!

So, if we were to combine the regions by federal district, we'd get better-balanced teams. With apologies in advance for any errors of geography, the teams would then be:

Team Central: Anna, Aliona, Evgenia and Sasha, with juniors Anna Frolova and Anastasia Kostyuk.

Team Volga: Alina, Liza and Anastasiia Gubanova, with juniors Kamila, and Elizaveta Osokina, plus Valeriia Shulskaia and Anastasia Tarakanova - don’t know if they’re juniors or not.

Team Northwestern: Stanislava Konstantinova and Elizaveta Nugumanova.

Team Urals-Siberian-Far Eastern (yes, I did smush three districts into one): Sofia Samodurova and Anastasiia Guliakova, with juniors Maiia Khromykh and Daria Usacheva.


We could just combine Northwestern and Urals-Siberian-Far Eastern, and then there would be six or seven skaters on each team.
Team Centra is illegal 🤣
 

brakes

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Jan 31, 2020
Newest issue of "Muscovian Figure Skater" has been released:

It's official bulletin of Moscow's fed.


Official confirmation of some transfers there:
- Kanysheva from Eteri to Samokhin,
- Kunitsa from Eteri to Moskvina,
- Frolova from Panova to Davydov,
- Davis from Samokhin to Eteri,
- Trusova from Eteri to Plushenko,
- Zhilina from Eteri to Plushenko,
- Muravyova from CSKA to Plushenko,
- Rukhin from Eteri to CSKA,
- Vasilieva from Davydov to St Petersburg (switched to pair skating)
- Kostiuk from Panova to Zhovnirskiy, Ushakova and Tarasov (switched to pair skating).
 
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TripleAxelQueens3

sasha trusova is superior
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Apr 17, 2018
Thank you!

So, if we were to combine the regions by federal district, we'd get better-balanced teams. With apologies in advance for any errors of geography, the teams would then be:

Team Central: Anna, Aliona, Evgenia and Sasha, with juniors Anna Frolova and Anastasia Kostyuk.

Team Volga: Alina, Liza and Anastasiia Gubanova, with juniors Kamila, and Elizaveta Osokina, plus Valeriia Shulskaia and Anastasia Tarakanova - don’t know if they’re juniors or not.

Team Northwestern: Stanislava Konstantinova and Elizaveta Nugumanova.

Team Urals-Siberian-Far Eastern (yes, I did smush three districts into one): Sofia Samodurova and Anastasiia Guliakova, with juniors Maiia Khromykh and Daria Usacheva.


We could just combine Northwestern and Urals-Siberian-Far Eastern, and then there would be six or seven skaters on each team.
Only Nastya has changed to pair skating. I really wish we got to see her skate internationally as a singles skater, her skating skills were extraordinary.
 

Jontor

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Jan 18, 2018
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Unofficial Season's Best List 2020-2021

The GPs don't count for SB this year, so here is what the list would look like with the few competitions we've had.

1. Kaori Sakamoto, JPN - 229.51 GP NHK Trophy (last year 18th 202.79)
2. Elizaveta Tuktamysheva, RUS - 223.39 GP Rostelecom Cup (9th 221.15)
3. Alëna Kostornaia, RUS - 220.78 GP Rostelecom Cup (1st 247.59)

4. Mariah Bell, USA - 212.73 GP Skate America (12th 212.89)
5. Bradie Tennell, USA - 211.07 GP Skate America (8th 222.97)
6. Audrey Shin, USA - 206.15 GP Skate America (55th 176.67)
7. Karen Chen, USA - 204.90 GP Skate America (21st 201.06)
8. Wakaba Higuchi, JPN - 200.98 GP NHK Trophy (16th 207.46)
9. Anastasia Guliakova, RUS - 199.03 GP Rostelecom Cup (-)
10. Rino Matsuike, JPN - 198.97 GP NHK Trophy (27th 193.03)
11. Alexandra Trusova, RUS - 198.93 GP Rostelecom Cup (2nd 241.02)
12. Loena Hendrickx, BEL - 198.87 CS Budapest Trophy (-)
13. Mai Mihara, JPN - 194.73 GP NHK Trophy (-)
14. Elizaveta Nugumanova, RUS - 191.52 GP Rostelecom Cup (37th 186.02)
15. Amber Glenn, USA - 190.09 GP Skate America (31st 190.83)
16. Hongyi Chen, CHN - 186.53 GP Cup of China (56th 175.77)
17. Mako Yamashita, JPN - 186.13 GP NHK Trophy (32nd 189.25)
18. Eva-Lotta Kiibus, EST - 186.00 GP Rostelecom Cup (43rd 181.24)
19. Mana Kawabe, JPN - 185.72 GP NHK Trophy (38th 185.22)
20. Sofia Samodurova, RUS - 184.81 GP Rostelecom Cup (35th 187.16)
21. Viktoria Safonova, BLR - 184.57 GP Rostelecom Cup (29th 192.49)
22. Lin Shan, CHN - 182.11 GP Skate America (-)
23. Young You, KOR - 181.73 GP NHK Trophy (7th 223.23)
24. Paige Rydberg, USA - 178.13 GP Skate America (-)

Lots of names missing - these ladies were in the Top SB 24 last season: 3. Shcherbakova 4. Kihira 5. Valieva 6. Medvedeva 10. Zagitova 11. Sinitsyna 13. Miyahara 14. Liu 15. Usacheva 17. Lee 19. Kim 20. Kurakova 22. Lim 23. Vasilieva 24. Khromykh

To compare - Russian Ladies who have scored better at the Russian Cup so far (without bonuses):
Alexandra Trusova 242.63
Anna Shcherbakova 240.40
Daria Usacheva 228.20
Kamila Valieva 225.70
Alëna Kostornaia 225.31
Maiia Khromykh 211.72
Anna Frolova 206.01
Sofia Samodurova 197.19
Stanislava Konstantinova 196.83
Ksenia Tsibinova 189.98
Valeria Shulskaya 189.02
Anastasia Tarakanova 184.85
Maria Talalaykina 180.87

Reflection: It's interesting that Sakamoto with a clean skate and with no quads and 3As manages to beat Tuktamysheva with three 3A's. And by six points! And overall the GP at Japan was much more harshly judged than the GP at Russia. Note that both Kaori and Liza didn't have any UR or ! or q calls. It really shows that Liza needs to work on her content.
 
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Artemisa

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Sep 15, 2017
Unofficial Season's Best List 2020-2021

The GPs don't count for SB this year, so here is what the list would look like with the few competitions we've had.

1. Kaori Sakamoto, JPN - 229.51 GP NHK Trophy (last year 18th 202.79)
2. Elizaveta Tuktamysheva, RUS - 223.39 GP Rostelecom Cup (9th 221.15)
3. Alëna Kostornaia, RUS - 220.78 GP Rostelecom Cup (1st 247.59)

4. Mariah Bell, USA - 212.73 GP Skate America (12th 212.89)
5. Bradie Tennell, USA - 211.07 GP Skate America (8th 222.97)
6. Audrey Shin, USA - 206.15 GP Skate America (55th 176.67)
7. Karen Chen, USA - 204.90 GP Skate America (21st 201.06)
8. Wakaba Higuchi, JPN - 200.98 GP NHK Trophy (16th 207.46)
9. Anastasia Guliakova, RUS - 199.03 GP Rostelecom Cup (-)
10. Rino Matsuike, JPN - 198.97 GP NHK Trophy (27th 193.03)
11. Alexandra Trusova, RUS - 198.93 GP Rostelecom Cup (2nd 241.02)
12. Loena Hendrickx, BEL - 198.87 CS Budapest Trophy (-)
13. Mai Mihara, JPN - 194.73 GP NHK Trophy (-)
14. Elizaveta Nugumanova, RUS - 191.52 GP Rostelecom Cup (37th 186.02)
15. Amber Glenn, USA - 190.09 GP Skate America (31st 190.83)
16. Hongyi Chen, CHN - 186.53 GP Cup of China (56th 175.77)
17. Mako Yamashita, JPN - 186.13 GP NHK Trophy (32nd 189.25)
18. Eva-Lotta Kiibus, EST - 186.00 GP Rostelecom Cup (43rd 181.24)
19. Mana Kawabe, JPN - 185.72 GP NHK Trophy (38th 185.22)
20. Sofia Samodurova, RUS - 184.81 GP Rostelecom Cup (35th 187.16)
21. Viktoria Safonova, BLR - 184.57 GP Rostelecom Cup (29th 192.49)
22. Lin Shan, CHN - 182.11 GP Skate America (-)
23. Young You, KOR - 181.73 GP NHK Trophy (7th 223.23)
24. Paige Rydberg, USA - 178.13 GP Skate America (-)

Lots of names missing - these ladies were in the Top SB 24 last season: 3. Shcherbakova 4. Kihira 5. Valieva 6. Medvedeva 10. Zagitova 11. Sinitsyna 13. Miyahara 14. Liu 15. Usacheva 17. Lee 19. Kim 20. Kurakova 22. Lim 23. Vasilieva 24. Khromykh

To compare - Russian Ladies who have scored better at the Russian Cup so far (without bonuses):
Alexandra Trusova 242.63
Anna Shcherbakova 240.40
Daria Usacheva 228.20
Kamila Valieva 225.70
Alëna Kostornaia 225.31
Maiia Khromykh 211.72
Anna Frolova 206.01
Sofia Samodurova 197.19
Stanislava Konstantinova 196.83
Ksenia Tsibinova 189.98
Valeria Shulskaya 189.02
Anastasia Tarakanova 184.85
Maria Talalaykina 180.87

Reflection: It's interesting that Sakamoto with a clean skate and with no quads and 3As manages to beat Tuktamysheva with three 3A's. And by six points! And overall the GP at Japan was much more harshly judged than the GP at Russia. Note that both Kaori and Liza didn't have any UR or ! or q calls. It really shows that Liza needs to work on her content.
It's true but this year the judges of GP at russia really behave and didn't gave many carrots
 

samkrut@mail.ru

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Reflection: It's interesting that Sakamoto with a clean skate and with no quads and 3As manages to beat Tuktamysheva with three 3A's. And by six points! And overall the GP at Japan was much more harshly judged than the GP at Russia. Note that both Kaori and Liza didn't have any UR or ! or q calls. It really shows that Liza needs to work on her content.

There are many opinions in the respective threads that harsh judging at NHK did not concern Kaori. It is clear that Liza internationally will lose to Kaori about 10 pcs combined. 3 clean 3As will compensate for that. But then we go into levels and GOE realm. And although both Kaori and Liza are not top spinners and don't get top levels on steps, the former has a clear edge there. But the question is not what Liza should do to beat Kaori. The question is what Liza should do to get into the team. This season we are talking about the same 3A trio. But the next year we have 3A, Valieva+Usacheva+Kromykh, and possible ambitions of Medvedeva and Zagitova. It may become very crowded. If I were Mishin, I would scrap the quad business and would focus on clean skating with three perfect triple axels and getting maximum levels and GOE on elements.
 

colormyworld240

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Dec 9, 2017
Reflection: It's interesting that Sakamoto with a clean skate and with no quads and 3As manages to beat Tuktamysheva with three 3A's. And by six points! And overall the GP at Japan was much more harshly judged than the GP at Russia. Note that both Kaori and Liza didn't have any UR or ! or q calls. It really shows that Liza needs to work on her content.
Liza is a good example of how 3As/quads aren't everything. They're very high risk jumps and when done well can score many points but other elements do up as well. Alena has three 3As last season but she wasn't just hard to beat because of them, she also maximized her entire layout, spins, steps, and PCS. With many of the Russian ladies, even when they have disaster skates like Sasha and Alina in the past, they generally get their levels on spins, steps, and keep their transitions to make up the points where they can.

I don't think Liza needs a quad to be competitive if she can get her combos consistent without the sequence. Some skaters are naturally flexible and although Liza doesn't have that, she can maximize the other points like centring and speed, to consistently get level 4s and decent GOE like Sasha does. Even if she doesn't have the best skating skills, that's only 1/5 PCS components and she can add in transitions and choreography to maximize PCS and GOE on her jumps. A 3A in the SP is a huge opportunity to take a big lead if you maximize everything else, and the time spent on learning a 4T to replace a 3A could be used to learn other things that could score higher without the huge risk of landing a quad.
 

Amei

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Nov 11, 2013
Liza is a good example of how 3As/quads aren't everything. They're very high risk jumps and when done well can score many points but other elements do up as well. Alena has three 3As last season but she wasn't just hard to beat because of them, she also maximized her entire layout, spins, steps, and PCS. With many of the Russian ladies, even when they have disaster skates like Sasha and Alina in the past, they generally get their levels on spins, steps, and keep their transitions to make up the points where they can.

I don't think Liza needs a quad to be competitive if she can get her combos consistent without the sequence. Some skaters are naturally flexible and although Liza doesn't have that, she can maximize the other points like centring and speed, to consistently get level 4s and decent GOE like Sasha does. Even if she doesn't have the best skating skills, that's only 1/5 PCS components and she can add in transitions and choreography to maximize PCS and GOE on her jumps. A 3A in the SP is a huge opportunity to take a big lead if you maximize everything else, and the time spent on learning a 4T to replace a 3A could be used to learn other things that could score higher without the huge risk of landing a quad.

A quad is pretty useless to Tuktamysheva as long as she continues the remaining layout that she uses. If she is on fire and the other top ladies falter on their quads or triple axels she can podium and even win as we saw at GP Russia a few weeks ago, but if they perform clean or semi-clean with those elements then she will struggle to beat them.
 
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