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My understanding is that Trusova will probably have a closer relation with Rozanov cause he's the coach she'll see everyday, and he's also her choreographer, while Plushenko will show up few days a week (hope for more) just to check progress.
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Here I agree with you. All smart people understand this. Even those who, by virtue of their preferences, hope that this does not happen.
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Who is listed as Trusova's coach in the FFKKR listing? How about pettiness?
Rozanov isn't even on that list. So the personal fame he might thought was being denied him in #TeamTutberidzeForProgress and might have sought elsewhere (apart from better pay apparently) will not come his way this season. We'll see who gets accredited to accompany Aleksandra into the arena and Kiss&Cry area, at the press conferences and so forth.
Again, there is a distinction between being trainer or coach to an athlete. Often, these roles are fulfilled by one and the same person. At the highest profile rinks, there can be more than one trainer working with the athlete according to their specialism, but only one coach will be with them at the competition venue's arena. The trainers stay in the back rooms.
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In general I think this statement is true. Especially since I believe Yuna came to Orser as JWC, so in that sense it’s quite similar as Sasha also is moving as a 2x JWC.
I personally feel like this would apply more to Rozanov rather than Plushenko. Plushenko had some pretty successful star students before, like Serafima and Nastia T., so one can say he already has some of the experience of working with promising talent prior to Sasha.
Rozanov didn’t have a real chance to work with star senior students one on one yet, so I think he might exactly be the case for what you mention and we will probably see his full potential during his work with Sasha.
Inna Goncharenko is a famous and experienced coach and from Edwin's post I got to known her opinion, yes, her opinion, and this is called information - Goncharenko's opinion.
Get it?
Plushenko was also listed as Serafima's main coach but as she recently said in interviews, Yulia Lavrenchuk was her main coach, Plushenko showed up only once in a while and at Skate America in the KnC.
I think this time he'll try more to be there as a coach, but realistically i believe Rozanov will do most of the work. That's not necessarily a bad thing, Plushenko could be more like the finishing coach, giving inputs on how to make certain things more effective.
Who shows up in the KnC is not indicative on who is the "real" coach of many of these skaters, the one who spends more time with them. I do hope Rozanov will get more credit for his work this time though.
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And when price money is to be split? FFKKR bonuses and premiums are handed out? ISU Awards are to be accepted?
The person who will take the flak when things don't work out?
The person who is legally responsible in case of injury, disability or death of their athlete?
2019/20 ISU Awards could already be a problem when Aleksandra gets awarded something connected to her former coaching team. Will Tutberidze stoop down to pettiness?
Of course, and it is always good to see a new approach, a refreshed athlete exploring new ways. With the right priorities, this could work out very well for Aleksandra and Sof'ya Muravyova, both on the national team and eligible for international starts after first absolving their Test Skates.
Sof'ya Muravyova should be on the Kislovodsk ice already. And she is another very fine athlete who has been so brave last season. She'll be glad to have found a new team too.
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I believe Plushenko will work with Trusova regularly. This is very important for him, she is Sasha Trusova!!!! Look, Plushenko started his academy 3 years ago in April of 2017. He said in 2015-2016 he will make and participate on shows- he adores it- for 4-5 years after that he will start more serious coaching work. The Academy started the work with many little children from the figure skating basis. He had other trainers who were working with those 60-80 little pupils in several groups. In 2019 he said he will have less shows he rejected foreign shows and only created their own shows in december. Serafima( she arrived in 2017, the Academy was just opened !!!!) and Tarakanova, weren't in his plan. They went to the Academy and they applied. Both of them had own coaches who worked with them regularly and Plushenko worked with them in their jumps, choreography, performance but not every day. In one of her interviews Tarakanova said Plush trained and helped her in everything.
So, I'm sure Sasha Trusova has arrived in good time.
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At this point in the last Olympic cycle Medvedeva looked like a “lock“. Basically no one knew Alina yet, she was at best a weak junior. Gubanova and Nugumanova were expected to be the next big stars. So, I guess most of our predictions now will look hilarious by 2022. 
Still, it‘s fun, so here goes nothing:
From the young generation:
Maiia Khromykh is seen as the weakest junior at the moment. But Eteri has - as she‘s demonstrated multiple times before - a talent to see a diamond in the making even when others fail to do so. History likes to repeat itself, so I throw it out there: She will improve significantly and will be wildly successful in the Olympic year.
Kamila looks like the obvious choice for Gold and if I had to bet now, I would bet on her too. But she still has flaws and weaknesses that could prove to be highly problematic. First off, her technique on the lutz and flip (and especially 3-3 combos) is just downright bad. If she grows a bit, this could easily become unreliable. She‘s further been injured a few times, so will have to watch out and try to pace herself correctly. She also lands on a flat blade in many of her jumps which isn‘t exactly good on the ankles either. But despite that she‘s already on her way to becoming a complete package, so if she keeps that up... Valieva for Gold indeed.
No idea about Daria. Artistically, I like her more than Kamila and I also think her combos are better. But she‘ll have to get a quad or 3A if she wants to have a chance.
The “older“ generation:
Aliona dominated last season but unless a few here, I‘m not so sure she‘ll be able to keep that up. I love her and I really want her to go to Beijing but she‘s been injured a few times already and has shown growth problems last season, too. She’s tiny still, what if she grows? It will depend on whether or not she can keep her consistency, great jumps and not get injured. Given that it will be her third senior season with Eteri by this point... a tall order. If she keeps skating like she did last season, yes, then she‘s a great candidate for the team, if not one of the biggest contenders for the OGM. I‘m just not sure she‘ll be able to.
Anna last season had the quads, the consistency and the beautiful artistry. But her skating skills are mediocre to bad and her jumping technique leaves something to be desired. Everything depends on whether or not she‘ll be able to hang on to her jumps until the Olympic season. If yes - then she has probably the best chance of all to make it.
Call me crazy but I am most confident about Sasha. Many seem to be counting her out because of an inconsistent season where she still mostly won Bronze. Yes, she‘s not as artistically developed as Aliona and Anna but there‘s something that, imo, should not be overlooked. She seems to have a very resilient body. Both Anna and Aliona were injured before, Sasha, however, has been jumping crazy layouts for years but has not yet experienced any injuries. We all know how an untimely injury can break your momentum so this is a major advantage. Also, she can develop her artistry and with clever choreography one can hide her flaws and make her strong points shine. She came back after months of inactivity to land a quad within a week (how advisable this strategy is, is another question). With her jumping ability and the right programs that can help her animate the crowd... I can easily see her challenging for that OGM.
The “sentimental favorites and Russian ladies figure skating grandmas“ (this is a joke, just to make this clear)
Liza has good jumps and can perform but not much else. Her programs are empty, her spins are weak. However, if she manages to get that 4T, 4S and 3A and Mishin sits down for once and calculates effective layouts, one should not underestimate her. She‘s experienced and has been training ultra-c elements for years. She would need good programs to hide her weaknesses and GOOD layouts as to not unnecessarily lose BV.
Alina. Well, I don‘t know what to say. It all depends on what she wants to do. If she has the motivation to get back to it at 100%, then her chances of the oldest generation are probably the best. She has had problems with her lutz edge for a while but still repeats lutz and flip and her program layouts are the hardest you can get without a 3A/quad. Her PCS are also extremely high and she‘s an experienced competitor, has lived through the Olympic season stress before and knows what it‘s like. If she decides that it‘s worth it, she could very well end up making the team. But she would have to be fully committed to it. If she can and wants to do that... game‘s not over yet. If she was to challenge for a quad... well, probably the flip or lutz. I can‘t see her land a 4T, 4S or 3A. From her interviews it looked like she‘s been landing an unknown quad before quarantine, so who knows???
Zhenya. This pains me as she‘s my absolute favorite and I really, really want her to somehow get to the Olympics again. But at the moment it looks like her chances are the weakest. It hurts to write this but she still doesn‘t have a lutz and given her body type, it looks like it might be impossible for her to ever get one. She’s motivated, competitive and a hard worker like no one else, sure. And new rules are also good for her, of course, but I don‘t think that will be enough to make up for her lack of BV. She‘s a great artist and should (imo) get the highest to second highest PCS of all Russian ladies (depending on how Aliona develops until 2022) but... in the end, BV is what counts. Her only chance is to somehow get that 4S done by next season and implement it in her program. If she does that, she‘s back in the game. If not... not.
There‘s others like Kseniia and Guliakova and Samodurova but I don‘t see them making it.
And now, let‘s watch my predictions prove to be more than off two years from now.
I think it‘s because of her jumping technique. It is extremely flawed. It reminds me of Medvedeva’s, only that she’s part of a different generation so she’s jumping harder combos and quads. Oh, and her lutz edge isn’t as bad. People were saying similar things about Medvedeva in 2016 - that she‘d lose her jumps, that she‘d go through puberty and never recover etc. Now it‘s the same game for Anna.
Medvedeva did run into problems by 2018, she was kind of burning out. Anna will be at a similar age and with the additional pounding on the bones that happens if you jump quads... I can see why people figure it might be difficult for her.
But in the end, no one knows what happens and Anna and Zhenya are different people. They could have similar stories or totally different ones.
I think Anna‘s a strong, highly motivated person and she has many strong suits. If she manages to stay healthy, I think her chances are great.
After all, what we‘re doing right now is nothing more than throwing guesses out there. They could be right or (more likely) totally wrong. Let‘s wait and see. The only thing I know is that the Olympic team selection will be heartbreaking. I want them all to make it but...
Still, it‘s fun, so here goes nothing:
From the young generation:
Maiia Khromykh is seen as the weakest junior at the moment. But Eteri has - as she‘s demonstrated multiple times before - a talent to see a diamond in the making even when others fail to do so. History likes to repeat itself, so I throw it out there: She will improve significantly and will be wildly successful in the Olympic year.
Kamila looks like the obvious choice for Gold and if I had to bet now, I would bet on her too. But she still has flaws and weaknesses that could prove to be highly problematic. First off, her technique on the lutz and flip (and especially 3-3 combos) is just downright bad. If she grows a bit, this could easily become unreliable. She‘s further been injured a few times, so will have to watch out and try to pace herself correctly. She also lands on a flat blade in many of her jumps which isn‘t exactly good on the ankles either. But despite that she‘s already on her way to becoming a complete package, so if she keeps that up... Valieva for Gold indeed.
No idea about Daria. Artistically, I like her more than Kamila and I also think her combos are better. But she‘ll have to get a quad or 3A if she wants to have a chance.
The “older“ generation:
Aliona dominated last season but unless a few here, I‘m not so sure she‘ll be able to keep that up. I love her and I really want her to go to Beijing but she‘s been injured a few times already and has shown growth problems last season, too. She’s tiny still, what if she grows? It will depend on whether or not she can keep her consistency, great jumps and not get injured. Given that it will be her third senior season with Eteri by this point... a tall order. If she keeps skating like she did last season, yes, then she‘s a great candidate for the team, if not one of the biggest contenders for the OGM. I‘m just not sure she‘ll be able to.
Anna last season had the quads, the consistency and the beautiful artistry. But her skating skills are mediocre to bad and her jumping technique leaves something to be desired. Everything depends on whether or not she‘ll be able to hang on to her jumps until the Olympic season. If yes - then she has probably the best chance of all to make it.
Call me crazy but I am most confident about Sasha. Many seem to be counting her out because of an inconsistent season where she still mostly won Bronze. Yes, she‘s not as artistically developed as Aliona and Anna but there‘s something that, imo, should not be overlooked. She seems to have a very resilient body. Both Anna and Aliona were injured before, Sasha, however, has been jumping crazy layouts for years but has not yet experienced any injuries. We all know how an untimely injury can break your momentum so this is a major advantage. Also, she can develop her artistry and with clever choreography one can hide her flaws and make her strong points shine. She came back after months of inactivity to land a quad within a week (how advisable this strategy is, is another question). With her jumping ability and the right programs that can help her animate the crowd... I can easily see her challenging for that OGM.
The “sentimental favorites and Russian ladies figure skating grandmas“ (this is a joke, just to make this clear)
Liza has good jumps and can perform but not much else. Her programs are empty, her spins are weak. However, if she manages to get that 4T, 4S and 3A and Mishin sits down for once and calculates effective layouts, one should not underestimate her. She‘s experienced and has been training ultra-c elements for years. She would need good programs to hide her weaknesses and GOOD layouts as to not unnecessarily lose BV.
Alina. Well, I don‘t know what to say. It all depends on what she wants to do. If she has the motivation to get back to it at 100%, then her chances of the oldest generation are probably the best. She has had problems with her lutz edge for a while but still repeats lutz and flip and her program layouts are the hardest you can get without a 3A/quad. Her PCS are also extremely high and she‘s an experienced competitor, has lived through the Olympic season stress before and knows what it‘s like. If she decides that it‘s worth it, she could very well end up making the team. But she would have to be fully committed to it. If she can and wants to do that... game‘s not over yet. If she was to challenge for a quad... well, probably the flip or lutz. I can‘t see her land a 4T, 4S or 3A. From her interviews it looked like she‘s been landing an unknown quad before quarantine, so who knows???
Zhenya. This pains me as she‘s my absolute favorite and I really, really want her to somehow get to the Olympics again. But at the moment it looks like her chances are the weakest. It hurts to write this but she still doesn‘t have a lutz and given her body type, it looks like it might be impossible for her to ever get one. She’s motivated, competitive and a hard worker like no one else, sure. And new rules are also good for her, of course, but I don‘t think that will be enough to make up for her lack of BV. She‘s a great artist and should (imo) get the highest to second highest PCS of all Russian ladies (depending on how Aliona develops until 2022) but... in the end, BV is what counts. Her only chance is to somehow get that 4S done by next season and implement it in her program. If she does that, she‘s back in the game. If not... not.
There‘s others like Kseniia and Guliakova and Samodurova but I don‘t see them making it.
And now, let‘s watch my predictions prove to be more than off two years from now.
I think it‘s because of her jumping technique. It is extremely flawed. It reminds me of Medvedeva’s, only that she’s part of a different generation so she’s jumping harder combos and quads. Oh, and her lutz edge isn’t as bad. People were saying similar things about Medvedeva in 2016 - that she‘d lose her jumps, that she‘d go through puberty and never recover etc. Now it‘s the same game for Anna.
Medvedeva did run into problems by 2018, she was kind of burning out. Anna will be at a similar age and with the additional pounding on the bones that happens if you jump quads... I can see why people figure it might be difficult for her.
But in the end, no one knows what happens and Anna and Zhenya are different people. They could have similar stories or totally different ones.
I think Anna‘s a strong, highly motivated person and she has many strong suits. If she manages to stay healthy, I think her chances are great.
After all, what we‘re doing right now is nothing more than throwing guesses out there. They could be right or (more likely) totally wrong. Let‘s wait and see. The only thing I know is that the Olympic team selection will be heartbreaking. I want them all to make it but...
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Alina had no problems with the lutz edge, the problem were only with terrible judging in one tournament.
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Congratulations Julia! I can’t believe it, I still picture her as the little girl with the red coat in Sochi!
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Double post but it‘s a different topic so forgive me. I seem to have missed the news that Sasha‘s programs are already ready and ... choreographed by Rozanov?
At first I was like
as Plushenko promised international choreographers. And yes, I‘m still a bit disappointed. But then I thought, it also makes sense. With the virus situation and Sasha having to adapt to a new environment anyway, it might be better to stick to a local choreographer now and postpone the international ones until next season. After all, when Medvedeva first moved to Orser, she started off with in-house choreographer David Wilson and only went to Shae-Lynn and Jeffrey Buttle etc. in her next season. Maybe it will be similar for Sasha. She already knows Rozanov, maybe it will help her adjust better. So, from a psychological point of view, I get it. I just hope Plushenko keeps his promise for top international choreographers and we get to see that next season. :agree:
Also, could anyone direct me to programs Rozanov choreographed? I know he did some for the novices but I‘m not sure which ones. That would be highly appreciated.
Wow! Congratulations! :luv17: I almost can‘t believe it, the tiny, exceptional girl who charmed everyone in Sochi is becoming a mom... time really flies. :sad4: :hopelessness:
At first I was like
as Plushenko promised international choreographers. And yes, I‘m still a bit disappointed. But then I thought, it also makes sense. With the virus situation and Sasha having to adapt to a new environment anyway, it might be better to stick to a local choreographer now and postpone the international ones until next season. After all, when Medvedeva first moved to Orser, she started off with in-house choreographer David Wilson and only went to Shae-Lynn and Jeffrey Buttle etc. in her next season. Maybe it will be similar for Sasha. She already knows Rozanov, maybe it will help her adjust better. So, from a psychological point of view, I get it. I just hope Plushenko keeps his promise for top international choreographers and we get to see that next season. :agree:Also, could anyone direct me to programs Rozanov choreographed? I know he did some for the novices but I‘m not sure which ones. That would be highly appreciated.
Wow! Congratulations! :luv17: I almost can‘t believe it, the tiny, exceptional girl who charmed everyone in Sochi is becoming a mom... time really flies. :sad4: :hopelessness:
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I respectfully disagree. I thought e was too harsh for her lutz back then but the ! calls, imo, are about right. If you compare the edge to the one she had in the Olympic season, it went from slightly outside to flat. Sometimes she still hits it right, so if she put a lot of attention on it, I‘m sure she could get it back.
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Double post but it‘s a different topic so forgive me. I seem to have missed the news that Sasha‘s programs are already ready and ... choreographed by Rozanov?
At first I was like
Also, could anyone direct me to programs Rozanov choreographed? I know he did some for the novices but I‘m not sure which ones. That would be highly appreciated.
I had exactly the same thoughts about this. Although, I’m not sure why’d he promise international choreographers when the pandemic was in full force in the first place, but I’m actually willing to give him benefit of the doubt this time, and accept that he meant it will happen later at some point.
I hope Rozanov will do good choreos, he’s only done them for novices (don’t know which ones) from what I understood and only had this experience last years, when Eteri challenged him to give it a try. But I think he will work hard for Sasha, he will only have to do choreo for very few students, so I think he will really concentrate his efforts into these programs.
I think it will be like this: Plushenko is replacing Eteri Tutberidze for her, while Rozanov is both Dudakov and Gleichengauz.
On the ISU Awards i'm not sure how ISU will handle it, i think they'll just give the award to the athlete, you can't change your mind just because she changed coaches in the meantime, then we all know she achieved those results with Eteri, just like Medvedeva is with Orser but she got her Olympic silver medal with Eteri.
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