2020-21 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[colormyworld240]

Problem is they both insist on that it is their joint work. "Sometimes I find the music he makes the story or just I make the story he finds the music...". In some modifications they say it everytime. Sometimes we talk about particular programs as a work of mostly one of them, like Aliona's Adios Nonino was a work of Eteri and Stella's Theme was the work of Daniil, but even about that they talk as about the work of both of them. Though I bet Kamila's Girl on a Ball is mostly Eteri's work

I also think Eteri is the one who is more into what kind of music is more proper for a particular skater.

While it's joint work, I do believe the choreographer listed first is the one who contributed most. After all, Daniil's mom was listed as one of the choreographers for Alina's DQ, and not the other programs. And some programs have Eteri listed first, others Daniil. Some with only Daniil or Eteri.

I would say I prefer Eteri's choreo over Daniil. But the best program to come from that team was Me Voy, especially that beautiful step sequence, and that was mostly Daniil's. But all choreographers have good and bad programs, and Daniil is no exception.

 

[colormyworld240]

I wonder what would coaches think of almost 11yo girl without triples nowadays? "Zero prospect"? :think:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdzxpAGprHQ

I wouldn't say so. Sometimes the stars align and a skater can go from struggling with doubles to having stable triples in a year. It's rare, but it does happen.

At the same time, many girls who have amazing triples and was the most promising skater at 11 eventually lose their jumps in their teens and are overtaken by one of the "zero prospect" 11yos.

It's an unpredictable sport and some skaters take a while to figure things out, but that doesn't mean they won't.

We've seen girls learn triples and quads in 1 season and we've also seen them lose their jumps in 1 season. Too many factors to predict anything.

 

[zounger]

I wouldn't mind if Eteri started choreographing some more programs, I think she's always gone a good job with them out of the ones I've seen.

Sometimes she has good ideas and she understands better than Daniil the skaters that's why I think her touch makes them a bit different than usual.

 

[Skatesocs]

I saw Medvedeva's 2016 LP as being good. And Zagitova's 2018 programs were lambasted unfairly even though not exactly good. Lipnitskaya's SL is the best one from that camp.

 

[dunffvanstorn]

Problem is they both insist on that it is their joint work. "Sometimes I find the music he makes the story or just I make the story he finds the music...". In some modifications they say it everytime. Sometimes we talk about particular programs as a work of mostly one of them, like Aliona's Adios Nonino was a work of Eteri and Stella's Theme was the work of Daniil, but even about that they talk as about the work of both of them. Though I bet Kamila's Girl on a Ball is mostly Eteri's work

I also think Eteri is the one who is more into what kind of music is more proper for a particular skater.

I totally prefer Eteri’s choregraphy over Daniil’s. It’s a petty Eteri hasn’t choreographed as much lately as she used to.

 

[AshWagsFan]

Problem is they both insist on that it is their joint work. "Sometimes I find the music he makes the story or just I make the story he finds the music...". In some modifications they say it everytime. Sometimes we talk about particular programs as a work of mostly one of them, like Aliona's Adios Nonino was a work of Eteri and Stella's Theme was the work of Daniil, but even about that they talk as about the work of both of them. Though I bet Kamila's Girl on a Ball is mostly Eteri's work

I also think Eteri is the one who is more into what kind of music is more proper for a particular skater.

I believe you are correct. I remember reading an article a few years back when Medvedeva first went to seniors on how Eteri usually finds the concepts/music for the skaters’ programs. This was because she originally picked Zhenya’s 2015-16 FS music for Julia, but she and her mother did not like it.

 

[lopsilceci]

I feel like Eteri does come up with more interesting and fresh program ideas...
Recent examples being Kamila's Girl on the Ball, Alina's Me Voy also seems more like music she would suggest and she shares official choreo credit with Daniil.

 

[dunffvanstorn]

I feel like Eteri does come up with more interesting and fresh program ideas...
Recent examples being Kamila's Girl on the Ball, Alina's Me Voy also seems more like music she would suggest and she shares official choreo credit with Daniil.

I heard Girl on the Ball was a concept from an Averbukh show... I got really disappointed.

 

[Amei]

I wouldn't say so. Sometimes the stars align and a skater can go from struggling with doubles to having stable triples in a year. It's rare, but it does happen.

At the same time, many girls who have amazing triples and was the most promising skater at 11 eventually lose their jumps in their teens and are overtaken by one of the "zero prospect" 11yos.

It's an unpredictable sport and some skaters take a while to figure things out, but that doesn't mean they won't.

We've seen girls learn triples and quads in 1 season and we've also seen them lose their jumps in 1 season. Too many factors to predict anything.

Well there's an interview in the thread the "Tutbertize Effect" with someone who was a student and a coach with Eteri's group - Shcherbakova was kicked out of Eteri's group for not having her triples; she learned her triples with a private instructor and was then readmitted to the group.

 

[plushyfan]

Well there's an interview in the thread the "Tutbertize Effect" with someone who was a student and a coach with Eteri's group - Shcherbakova was kicked out of Eteri's group for not having her triples; she learned her triples with a private instructor and was then readmitted to the group.

:shocked: I didn't heard this!

 

[brakes]

I wouldn't say so. Sometimes the stars align and a skater can go from struggling with doubles to having stable triples in a year. It's rare, but it does happen.

At the same time, many girls who have amazing triples and was the most promising skater at 11 eventually lose their jumps in their teens and are overtaken by one of the "zero prospect" 11yos.

It's an unpredictable sport and some skaters take a while to figure things out, but that doesn't mean they won't.

We've seen girls learn triples and quads in 1 season and we've also seen them lose their jumps in 1 season. Too many factors to predict anything.

Agreed, but would a top coach in Russia wait for 11yo with only doubles to figure out things?

 

[sparklestan]

Agreed, but would a top coach in Russia wait for 11yo with only doubles to figure out things?

Eteri wasn’t yet a top coach at that point in time. Anyways, even top coaches have to fill their rosters to make money.

 

[lopsilceci]

I heard Girl on the Ball was a concept from an Averbukh show... I got really disappointed.

Let me guess... TSL? :sarcasm:

 

[Scott512]

My favorite performance by Aliona ever is her angel SP from the Vancouver JGPF.
I think that was the first time I ever watched her skate and it was the junior program I rewatched most.

That was pure magic on ice lopsi.
That's when a lot of us realize Aliona was something very special and a little bit different.

 

[colormyworld240]

Agreed, but would a top coach in Russia wait for 11yo with only doubles to figure out things?

Maybe if the coach can see great potential in an 11 year old with only doubles. I'm sure there are quite a few examples, but the biggest one that comes to mind is Alina. She was 12 with only 3Lo and so far behind the likes of Gubanova and Nugumanova; zero prospect relative to them. And while Eteri was not established as she is now, she already had many successful skaters like Shelepen, Lipnitskaya, and Medvedeva so she didn't "need" Alina. I'm sure there are similar situations with different coaches and skaters.

But even if an 11yo isn't accepted by a top coach, she can also improve very quickly and then top coaches would want to work with her. Who knows. Stranger things have happened in the sport.

 

[dunffvanstorn]

Let me guess... TSL? :sarcasm:

No, actually I think I found out about this because I watched one of Averbukh shows and the number was there. Very different from Kamila’s program, but he used the painting as an inspiration. If I’m not mistaken, Daniil was a part of this show too.

 

[dunffvanstorn]

Let me guess... TSL? :sarcasm:

And I don’t treat you with sarcasm, I would like for you not to treat me like that as well.

 

[moriel]

I personally would love for Eteri to use some more outside choreographers every once in a while for her skaters. although her and Danny G’s choreo can be very good, sometimes it just misses the mark for me. I’d love to see Kostornaya work with Lori, Sandra, or Shae, and I think Shcherbakova would also do well with either Shae or Tom Dickson. This doesn’t have to be for every program, just once in a while. Working with multiple choreographers helps a skater to grow and see different approaches to choreography IMO.

I dont see that happening much:
- It is expensive (that is a lot of sponsorships and prize money needed there)
- It may be disruptive to the training process (as includes some very long flights)
- It does not fit the coaching style where the team tries to highlight the strengths and make something that suits specifically this skater. This requires some solid knowledge of the skater (which outside choreographers won't have), and close work with the choreographer for the skater during all season, not just a couple of sessions (which again aint gonna happen with an outside choreographer).

Maybe some russian choreographer like Averbukh, but I pretty much doubt they will go to american choreographers because all the points above get much worse.

And, so far, the team Tutberidze approach pays off. I would rather see some NA or Japanese skaters getting coreo with Daniil & Eteri, honestly

 

[flanker]

Let me guess... TSL? :sarcasm:

You were reading my mind

 

[flanker]

JGP is completely cancelled. I feel like captain Darling now :sad21: