2020-21 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[Scott512]

Medvedeva certainly has terrible luck and has injuries at the worst times in her career. I genuinely feel bad for her. She clearly loves skating and has a true passion for it, or she would’ve quit long ago. She reminds me of Michelle Kwan in this way. I hope someday she is able to realize that she has so much to offer outside of competitive skating. I could see her as a successful commentator or something in broadcast or television . She has such a vivacious personality. I hope she heals and has a good season.

Aliona seems to be having that same bad luck with the injuries. I hope she is able to skate injury free.

Sasha is a spitfire. I’m loving that she’s proving people wrong this season.

Liza was Liza. I think she’s underrated in so many ways, but will need something more to beat the little ones.

I agree that Bolero isn’t the program for Kamila. But, didn’t Eteri have Alina recycle her programs for the Olympics, and doesn’t Kamila also tend to recycle hers? I can see Eteri recycling this as it’s seems her pattern.

Anna’s program kinda reminds me of all her others.

Sasha looks good so far but lets see what happens. Even people upset at her leaving TT for PA know if she hits her free skate she wins. That is not debatable. She did that last year until GPF

Sad Aliona is getting injections and Zhenya has health issues again. Figure skating is such a tough sport and not skating for 4 months hurt all these athletes.

 

[anonymoose_au]

After all the talk of Kamila's werid Bolero I had to watch it, but...it's not weird at all! I've seen way weirder stuff on ice, I'm sightly disappointed.

Also where's the love for Liza, I thought her program was fascinating! The music, the arm movements...really compelling. She's really improved her flexibility on the spins.

I don't get the hate for jump sequences either, aside from the ISU giving them less points. I think it takes skill to jump an axel with so little momentum. I'm still miffed Yuzu didn't get full points for that 4T-3A, that was amazing!

I'm yet to watch Anna and Zhenya Med, but I'll have to wait until after work for them.

 

[zounger]

Congratulations to Trusova and Plushenko for the improvements and the level of preparation they showed. Everyone else just regressed.

 

[kolyadafan2002]

Very true. And we didn't see a single combination from Tukt this weekend, except from that 3Lz-2A seq. She needs to work on that. Even if it's just a 3T+3T it is better pointwise. She and Mishin really needs to update themselves on how the system works when it comes to scoring points. That 2A seq is actually losing points. Maybe they just don't understand? Maybe they need some help with the maths? (Maybe Mathman can help?)

Triple Lutz = 5.9, double axel = 3.3 . Lutz + axel = 9.2*0.8 for SEQ =7.36

Triple Lutz = 5.9, double toe = 1.3, Lutz + toe = 7.20 (+extra GOE).

Is 0.16 worth the extra difficulty and the ugly jump??

 

[readernick]

After all the talk of Kamila's werid Bolero I had to watch it, but...it's not weird at all! I've seen way weirder stuff on ice, I'm sightly disappointed.

Also where's the love for Liza, I thought her program was fascinating! The music, the arm movements...really compelling. She's really improved her flexibility on the spins.

I don't get the hate for jump sequences either, aside from the ISU giving them less points. I think it takes skill to jump an axel with so little momentum. I'm still miffed Yuzu didn't get full points for that 4T-3A, that was amazing!

I'm yet to watch Anna and Zhenya Med, but I'll have to wait until after work for them.

I think the issue people have with the Bolero isn't that it is weird. ( certainly not weird in an interesting way like Sophia's short program) but rather that is does nothing to highlight Valieva's positive qualities and invites comparisons to much better renditions of this piece.

 

[flanker]

One observation (I probably made that before already, but good things are never hackneyed ):

When a skater receives something unexpected, people complain "that's not for her, it doesn't fit her..." and when she gets something that fits her, people say "that's predictable, they should experiment with something different"

Once again, you can't satisfy everyone.

 

[plushyfan]

I do agree with you, and Anna's air position in general for all her jumps is wonderful...but with the quad Lutz in my opinion what Sasha tries to do when getting the solid outside edge is much much harder to jump straight up in a good position. She is similar to how Hanyu has trouble with his 4Lutz axis. Anna for obvious reasons doesn't have this problem.

Anna's 3F https://www.instagram.com/p/CFCxsI4oVHe/ I didn't use to argue in technic debate but this PR is very visible.

 

[Tolstoj]

That makes me so sad. I don't understand why people feel the need to be so cruel to these girls.

Basically Eteri fans that feel betrayed and have to defend their queen by destroying who dares to disagree with her.

It's nothing new sadly, it happened with Julia when people and media started to say that she was too fat, it happened with Medvedeva and they made it look like a canadian coach was the problem and now it's happening with Alena and Sasha cause they left for Plushenko.

For me just respect the athletes and let the ice talk, that group has always delivered all these years no matter the circumstances so i don't understand this fierce need to sabotage their competitors. If anything competition is very good both for the sport and for the Federation.

In the end they all compete under the same flag, they are all part of the same team.

 

[zounger]

Basically Eteri fans that feel betrayed and have to defend their queen by destroying who dares to disagree with her.

It's nothing new sadly, it happened with Julia when people and media started to say that she was too fat, it happened with Medvedeva and they made it look like a canadian coach was the problem and now it's happening with Alena and Sasha cause they left for Plushenko.

For me just respect the athletes and let the ice talk, that group has always delivered all these years no matter the circumstances so i don't understand this fierce need to sabotage their competitors. If anything competition is very good both for the sport and for the Federation.

In the end they all compete under the same flag, they are all part of the same team.

There are bad, hatred, disrespectful comments for everyone. I don't know why you are making it about Eteri, anti Eteri.

 

[anonymoose_au]

I think the issue people have with the Bolero isn't that it is weird. ( certainly not weird in an interesting way like Sophia's short program) but rather that is does nothing to highlight Valieva's positive qualities and invites comparisons to much better renditions of this piece.

Ah I see, the only thing I found odd about it was the particular version of Bolero, maybe it was just my earphones, but it sounded like a "muzak in an elevator" version.

Having said that I'm not of the opinion that "OMG no-one can skate to this piece music because so-and-so did it the best" so who knows Kamila might end up nailing it

I watched Anna and Zhenya - I'm not sure what to say about Anna's skate, it wasn't bad or anything, but it seemed...long, like I kind of lost interest half way through. Not sure if it was the music, which seemed kinda lackluster after Liza or what.

Zhenya Med wasn't nearly as bad as I thought after reading some comments, I can see the promise in it! If Zhenya can nail the step sequence it'll be epic Although I wasn't a fan of the first part of the music - sounded a bit screechy, but maybe that was bad acoustics or something. Most unfortunate to hear that she's having trouble with her back as others have mentioned I wonder if she can ask for later Russian Cup stages to recover a bit more.

Anywho, it was an interesting test skate to be sure. I'm disappointed we didn't get to see Sofia S's FS, I hope she gets well quickly! Aliona too, I'm intrigued about what her FS will be.

 

[Resa]

So I rewatched Trusova's FS today, and I see even more potential in it now. I think ones Trusova gets used to it (it's still a very new program for her, we shouldn't forget that) it could be amazing! There are a lot of fine nuances to the choreographie and once she shows them more, I think I will love this program.

 

[MGstyle]

I am also impressed with Trusova's improvement as a skater. She looks much more a "skater" than a simple jumper, which was more evident in the SP when she didn't have to think about quads. She was rushing some of the choreographic moves without completing/doing the full extension in the free, which still gave her the immature impression - I hope the choreographer works further on that with her. If she can correct that (aside from delivering solid jumps), she could well be the formidable force above others this season.

 

[Tolstoj]

There are bad, hatred, disrespectful comments for everyone. I don't know why you are making it about Eteri, anti Eteri.

Cause that's the main takeaway or they are the loudest among the russians if you look at the dislike ratio for all former Tutberidze students, these pro Eteri channels,... And sometimes they just rally some bad take that came from the coach or choreographer, like with the fat shaming on Julia.

 

[plushyfan]

I'm not sure what to say about Anna's skate, it wasn't bad or anything, but it seemed...long, like I kind of lost interest half way through. Not sure if it was the music, which seemed kinda lackluster after Liza or what.

yes. I looked it but didn't see..my thoughts were elsewhere..so I think it was a little bit boring. But I also liked Kamila, ! :luv17: I wrote yesterday I hope she won't lose her jumps because of the puberty her body is going to change drastically and fast.

 

[zounger]

Cause that's the main takeaway or they are the loudest among the russians if you look at the dislike ratio for all former Tutberidze students, these pro Eteri channels,...

And there are anti-Eteri channels where the ratio is the opposite and what? I found it very unproductive to make comments here about someones comment that we found on YouTube, blog etc. Not even about the article or the video but about some random users comment who might be a bot, stupid lunatic and I don't know what else.

I like to see what people have to say themselves and not comment translation from sports.ru

 

[flanker]

Cause that's the main takeaway or they are the loudest among the russians if you look at the dislike ratio for all former Tutberidze students, these pro Eteri channels,... And sometimes they just rally some bad take that came from the coach or choreographer, like with the fat shaming on Julia.

Here you belong among the loudest.

 

[Tolstoj]

Here you belong among the loudest.

I'm not gonna give them a dislike on youtube on the perviy kanal channel though as they instead do always

 

[flanker]

Second observation of the day. Sometimes the comments about the programs and skaters remind me a handbook of "How to present data to get desired outcome"

Like, the survey says 40 % of people trust this person, 30 % don't, the rest not sure. You can present that 40 % trust the person or that 30 % don't trust. You don't lie in either variant, though the impact is different in both case. For the skates and events like this, you can describe a program with some troubles as "actually not as bad as it looks with a lot of potential" or descibe the same as "regression in comparison with the previous", "this is not the final form,w ith more work on the choreo it will be great" vs. "the program is empty, dull" etc. The possibilities are endless

(And of course, if you want to belong to a decent society, you should never ommit the opportunity to remind that even though you are not a hater at all, you have the moral obligation to remind everybody that Eteri and her fans are evil. :agree

 

[Jeanie19]

I feel like it would have been best for Med to use her programs from last season. She didn't really get to show them off at Nationals last year. She also has to skate the first two cup events, which are in the next few weeks. There just wasn't really enough time to learn the new programs and have them up to competition level with the downtime, injuries and being away from her coaches.

Welcome to Golden Skate. Post often.

 

[flanker]

I'm not gonna give them a dislike on youtube on the perviy kanal channel though as they instead do always

Such a relief that you are satisfied with verbal slandering.