2020-21 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[Fluture]

I think RusFed was wrong to make this “two Russian Cups needed for Nats“ rule. Half of their team is injured and withdrew from test skates because they rushed back into training. I know they need a system for skaters to qualify but I‘m not sure this one‘s the right one.

As for Zhenya... her situation‘s bad. Like, really bad. She needs to withdraw for her health but if she doesn‘t get to Nationals, she loses her place in the team and then what? I feel sorry for her. I don‘t see how she can realistically make it through a FS this week.

 

[Lunalovesskating]

I think RusFed was wrong to make this “two Russian Cups needed for Nats“ rule. Half of their team is injured and withdrew from test skates because they rushed back into training. I know they need a system for skaters to qualify but I‘m not sure this one‘s the right one.

It was really not the smartest decision on their part. The Japanese Fed has a far better solution. Every skater who medalled at JNats last season qualified for Nationals this season and does not have to compete at regionals and sectionals, also they made the new rule that skaters who train abroad also do not have to do regionals and sectionals to qualify for Nats, because the Japanese Fed does not want the skaters to be forced away from their coaches for several months and to risk their health by constantly flying between countries and going through several quarantines. This solution would have saved Russia's Top Skates from rushing back and injuring themselves. Stepanova/Bukin, Vika and Nikita, Danielan, Aliev, Kostornaia and co. who all are struggling with injuries would have a pass for RusNats then and would not have to rush back into training and injure themselves like it happened with RusFeds current system.

 

[zounger]

But how they would have made money through the circuses?

 

[silveruskate]

But how they would have made money through the circuses?

I hate to make a Zhenya only rule, but they should have made allowances for skaters being coached abroad. Maybe accepted international competition results or allowed a video only performance. With Covid, it really isn't the fault of the skater, and there have been allowances across the board to deal with the pandemic.

 

[happycamper2554]

It was really not the smartest decision on their part. The Japanese Fed has a far better solution. Every skater who medalled at JNats last season qualified for Nationals this season and does not have to compete at regionals and sectionals, also they made the new rule that skaters who train abroad also do not have to do regionals and sectionals to qualify for Nats, because the Japanese Fed does not want the skaters to be forced away from their coaches for several months and to risk their health by constantly flying between countries and going through several quarantines. This solution would have saved Russia's Top Skates from rushing back and injuring themselves. Stepanova/Bukin, Vika and Nikita, Danielan, Aliev, Kostornaia and co. who all are struggling with injuries would have a pass for RusNats then and would not have to rush back into training and injure themselves like it happened with RusFeds current system.

Russia makes up the rules as it goes. If they want someone to have a pass they will. you just have to hope the federation likes you enough and you havent pissed them off lately. Kosternaia better hopes she feels better because she obviously did.

 

[zounger]

The hole in this rule is not the ladies but their dance. They will change it, don't worry.

 

[Jeanie19]

The hole in this rule is not the ladies but their dance. They will change it, don't worry.

I agree about dance teams, but the change may be too late for Zhenya.

 

[BearryBear]

I think RusFed was wrong to make this “two Russian Cups needed for Nats“ rule. Half of their team is injured and withdrew from test skates because they rushed back into training. I know they need a system for skaters to qualify but I‘m not sure this one‘s the right one.

As for Zhenya... her situation‘s bad. Like, really bad. She needs to withdraw for her health but if she doesn‘t get to Nationals, she loses her place in the team and then what? I feel sorry for her. I don‘t see how she can realistically make it through a FS this week.

She should just skate her programs from last season. Does she need a certain score to qualify? Perhaps she can reduce some jumps so it's less strain. I don't really get why they didn't just let skaters who were on the national team last year get a pass into nationals and leave qualifications up to newcomers.

 

[yume]

I think Medvedeva will be fine. Given the other competitors she has high chances to podium. Her injury isn't that bad imo. She still landed 3 combos overall 3lo-3T/3F-3T/3S-3T-2T. Underrotated combos but in a competition URs are in the eyes of the beholder. TP eyes can not see it. All she need is to stand on at least 2 triples in SP and 5 in FS. PCS will do the rest.

 

[silveruskate]

She should just skate her programs from last season. Does she need a certain score to qualify? Perhaps she can reduce some jumps so it's less strain. I don't really get why they didn't just let skaters who were on the national team last year get a pass into nationals and leave qualifications up to newcomers.

The programs aren't the problem in my opinion. She had the time although Masquerade confuses me, and she herself chose the first Russian Cup competitions.

 

[ruga]

What Evgenia needs is to place no lower that 6-7 place so that she is higher than 18th in Cup standings. In the first stage only Shcherbakova can beat her, maybe also Frolova and Khromykh on a good day. She could lower the technical content to preserve her health if that's necessary. There is no need to be first or even medal and the stage is relatively easy.

 

[Fluture]

I think Medvedeva will be fine. Given the other competitors she has high chances to podium. Her injury isn't that bad imo. She still landed 3 combos overall 3lo-3T/3F-3T/3S-3T-2T. Underrotated combos but in a competition URs are in the eyes of the beholder. TP eyes can not see it. All she need is to stand on at least 2 triples in SP and 5 in FS. PCS will do the rest.

She popped/fell on three jumps in the FS and those URs were not in the eye of the beholder, not even for a biased panel, they were plain as day. Not to mention that she couldn‘t do half her spins because of her back. I really don‘t get how I can be more negative as a fan than ... not-fans but it is what it is. Her other competitors have quads and stable 3-3s, so idk how they‘re suddenly less of a threat.

 

[Fluture]

In the first stage only Shcherbakova can beat her, maybe also Frolova and Khromykh on a good day.

Normally, absolutely! The way she skated at test skates? No way. It‘s almost a surreal experience that the RLT is more positive than I am but I am welcoming it.

 

[kmw227]

What Evgenia needs is to place no lower that 6-7 place so that she is higher than 18th in Cup standings. In the first stage only Shcherbakova can beat her, maybe also Frolova and Khromykh on a good day. She could lower the technical content to preserve her health if that's necessary. There is no need to be first or even medal and the stage is relatively easy.

That's kinda what I'm thinking too. I expect that it'll be a pretty easy win for Shcherbakova, but top 5 should be very doable for Zhenya, even with less content. Yes, she's been struggling with consistency, but Frolova and Khromykh aren't exactly the pinnacles of consistency either, so she could end up even higher if one of them has an off day.

 

[Happy Skates]

What Evgenia needs is to place no lower that 6-7 place so that she is higher than 18th in Cup standings. In the first stage only Shcherbakova can beat her, maybe also Frolova and Khromykh on a good day. She could lower the technical content to preserve her health if that's necessary. There is no need to be first or even medal and the stage is relatively easy.

I hope thats true, but if she gives the performance she gave at test skates, anyone could beat her on a good day. I hope that she is able to scrap something together though. And I'm sure other girls are not at their best considering the circumstances. Lowering the technical content is definitely a good idea though. At least if she's clean with easier content, they can justify giving her PCs to help her out a little. It would be insane if she didn't even qualify to nationals.

 

[fabienne1996]

The programs aren't the problem in my opinion. She had the time although Masquerade confuses me, and she herself chose the first Russian Cup competitions.

But she probably choose them when her chronic back inury was not yet making itself known.

Gesendet von meinem SM-T813 mit Tapatalk

 

[Supernovaimplosion]

If so many people are withdrawing from the first stage, they might allow them to enter a different stage. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't T/M withdraw from the first cup event? The fed might want these stars at nats and allow them to do so. definitely agree Rusfed's making the rules up as they go

 

[yume]

She popped/fell on three jumps in the FS and those URs were not in the eye of the beholder, not even for a biased panel, they were plain as day. Not to mention that she couldn‘t do half her spins because of her back. I really don‘t get how I can be more negative as a fan than ... not-fans but it is what it is. Her other competitors have quads and stable 3-3s, so idk how they‘re suddenly less of a threat.

As a not-fan maybe i see things as they are.

Other competitors don't and won't probably crack 70 pcs and they have consistency issues.

 

[Lunalovesskating]

The programs aren't the problem in my opinion. She had the time although Masquerade confuses me, and she herself chose the first Russian Cup competitions.

Because taking the later assignments would have not changes anything, she needs her coached. I hope she skips Rostelecom Cup and Canadian boarders are open in October so she can return to Canada and come back for RusNats.

 

[nussnacker]

She popped/fell on three jumps in the FS and those URs were not in the eye of the beholder, not even for a biased panel, they were plain as day. Not to mention that she couldn‘t do half her spins because of her back. I really don‘t get how I can be more negative as a fan than ... not-fans but it is what it is. Her other competitors have quads and stable 3-3s, so idk how they‘re suddenly less of a threat.

I don’t think she’ll fall lower than 4th, even if it will be a complete splatfest. Most of the other girls had no ice at all and just started getting back recently, I’d highly doubt they all have stable 3-3, or even plain 3-3. Most of them probably will be falling left and right.
who’s next in line after Frolova at this event? Sultanmagomedova? Her highest sp score will probs be 63-ish, on a good day. Judging by skate Canada even with all 3 jumping passes botched, Evgenia’s pcs will be 34 min, and total 62-65. In the free all others probably won’t crack 120-130, even clean. so I don’t think there’s a threat realistically. Even she somehow fails to qualify, Rusfed will come up with something to push her through. Tickets to Rusnats won’t sell themselves.