2020-21 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[brakes]

Trusova's finished training under Rosanov and not yet going to Volkov.
I think the game is over.

Трусова прекратила тренировки у Розанова, с Волковым фигуристка не занимается - ТАСС

Спортсменка перешла в академию "Ангелы Плющенко" в мае вместе с тренером Сергеем Розановым, до этого оба числились в группе Этери Тутберидзе

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Wow. Everybody who leaves Eteri bites the dust.

 

[nussnacker]

Wait is this real?

I know it was odd when news came out that Trusova wasn't part of Rozanov group when her main reason of moving to Plushenko was to follow him.

I don’t think she was following him. I think his move made her decision easier, because it’s a familiar person, whom she worked with before, but ultimately it was because Sasha wanted to have more ownership of her training process (decide how many quads to train etc.).

 

[Samoyed]

I also am curious if Kamila's quads will last? She is already very tall and her technique is a little scary if I'm being honest (someone can quote this and complain about how I'm wrong, we've had this discussion before and I will not rehash). Or rather, if they do last, will she be able to maximize them the way Sasha can? Aliona's 3A was solid, her 3F is so roomy that even at the show in February she only fell because she could not control its height and speed. It was TOO high, TOO fast, covered TOO much ice. I don't see her long term having issues with it because she is, save the periodic edge issues when she's nervous actually a very good jumper technically, if not completely textbook 100% of the time. And her landings don't seem to be as forceful as Anya's or Kamila's. And Anya... also something there performance wise like Aliona, if not a little more academic but she has a mental block with the 3A challenging her now. So much potential that one imagines, what if all 4 get quads and the 3A? Then it is only a matter of the day, isn't it? No way to know who will win. Though this is of course all speculation.

Yes, Russia gets three positions. But they deserve more.

Oh, I have to say I really admire how much your comment is extensive and very well spoken.

Since now I know, that Russians have 3 spots in the Olympic Team, I have to revoke my statement: I think Alena has a lot of chance to get that spot and since she is appreciated very much internationally it would be really interesting to see what will happen during Olympics. And I agree with you - it will be heartbreaking to see whomever will be left out of this group. Anyway, I enjoyed your comment a lot!

 

[Arbitrary]

Wait is this real?

I know it was odd when news came out that Trusova wasn't part of Rozanov group when her main reason of moving to Plushenko was to follow him.

The main reason was to be a Prima of Plushenko. Which didn't happen. Kostronya again stole the show.
As the situation with Trusova herself wasn't so bright there is little she can do. Who will be her coach at Sat-Sun this week to be seen.
I'm afraid there will be no-one and she isn't going to participate.

 

[nussnacker]

The main reason was to be a Prima of Plushenko. Which didn't happen. Kostronya again stole the show.
As the situation with Trusova herself wasn't so bright there is little she can do. Who will be her coach at Sat-Sun this week to be seen.
I'm afraid there will be no-one and she isn't going to participate.

I don’t think she has no one to be with her at the boards? Plushenko would want to be there, the young coach, Lena. She has a ton of people to choose from! It’s not too different from test skates, is it? She didn’t have Rozanov there either and did just fine.

 

[flanker]

Trusova's finished training under Rosanov and not yet going to Volkov.
I think the game is over.

Трусова прекратила тренировки у Розанова, с Волковым фигуристка не занимается - ТАСС

Спортсменка перешла в академию "Ангелы Плющенко" в мае вместе с тренером Сергеем Розановым, до этого оба числились в группе Этери Тутберидзе

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So the rumors about the clash between Rozanov and Sasha('s parents) were probably true

 

[Kittosuni]

Wait is she staying at AOP but just going to different group? Im sure it was known that she is not skating with Rozanov group since test skate.

 

[Magill]

Wait is she staying at AOP but just going to different group? Im sure it was known that she is not skating with Rozanov group since test skate.

Exactly! The article says she is not training with Rozanov any longer, nor Volkov, but directly with Plushenko, Dima Mikhaylov (the young coach) and Elena. Just as we have all seen at the test skates as they were the trio at the boards with her. Big boom about nothing, really!

 

[Magill]

As the situation with Trusova herself wasn't so bright there is little she can do. Who will be her coach at Sat-Sun this week to be seen.
I'm afraid there will be no-one and she isn't going to participate.

Dream on...

 

[nussnacker]

Exactly! The article says she is not training with Rozanov any longer, nor Volkov, but directly with Plushenko, Dima Mikhaylov (the young coach) and Elena. Just as we have all seen at the test skates as they were the trio at the boards with her. Big boom about nothing, really!

I think the difference was that then it was just an assumption of fans based on solely test skates situation. Tbh, back then I wrote that people are making up too much based on nothing. I also suggested that it might be something temporary, while they are finding ways of working within a new team, full of new people.
Now it seems more like a confirmation that there won’t be any partnership between them at all.
Although, I still don’t understand what happened there. Seems so sudden and out of nowhere.

 

[Alex65]

For some reason, some people consider it a problem that two top athletes belonging to the same group do not train together, like Tutberidze's. I see that the AP has followed the path of the Viner Academy in gymnastics, where each top athlete has his own individual coach, but they all have one head coach, Viner. A time-tested path that gives results. What is the problem?

 

[nussnacker]

For some reason, some people consider it a problem that two top athletes belonging to the same group do not train together, like Tutberidze's. I see that the AP has followed the path of the Viner Academy in gymnastics, where each top athlete has his own individual coach, but they all have one head coach, Viner. A time-tested path that gives results. What is the problem?

I don’t think anyone said it’s a problem that they don’t train together. As in ... literally no one said anything like that.

I think Rozanov is a more experienced coach compared to Dmitry, Rozanov has experience of working with harder elements prior too, so I’d say it would be more desirable (from an outsiders perspective) working with him rather than Dmitry working with Sasha.
On the other hand, if there’s some falling out, then it understandably will be uncomfortable for both sides.

 

[Magill]

I think the difference was that then it was just an assumption of fans based on solely test skates situation. Tbh, back then I wrote that people are making up too much based on nothing. I also suggested that it might be something temporary, while they are finding ways of working within a new team, full of new people.
Now it seems more like a confirmation that there won’t be any partnership between them at all.
Although, I still don’t understand what happened there. Seems so sudden and out of nowhere.

Yes, you're right, it is a confirmation of something many people suspected. Still, I seem to recall Plushenko has confirmed it already in some interview. I think he said something like they had it organized with Rozanov being sort of the main coach for Alyona while him and Dima for Sasha. That's why it does not really seem that new to me. But it is just an impression, I might be wrong.
As for whys, we can just guess, and our guesses may be right or wrong...
Still it might be temporary, you never know.

 

[Alex65]

I don’t think anyone said it’s a problem that they don’t train together. As in ... literally no one said anything like that.

I think Rozanov is a more experienced coach compared to Dmitry, Rozanov has experience of working with harder elements prior too, so I’d say it would be more desirable (from an outsiders perspective) working with him rather than Dmitry working with Sasha.
On the other hand, if there’s some falling out, then it understandably will be uncomfortable for both sides.

Plushenko said bluntly that he would directly coach Sasha. Mikhailov and Ilinykh help Plushenko. I think that the fact that in the training video we often see Sasha with Mikhailov does not mean that Plushenko is not present at the training session at that time. How correct was such a division of coaches and athletes Rozanov-Kostornaya, Plushenko-Trusova will show only the results and time.

 

[nussnacker]

Plushenko said bluntly that he would directly coach Sasha. Mikhailov and Ilinykh help Plushenko. I think that the fact that in the training video we often see Sasha with Mikhailov does not mean that Plushenko is not present at the training session at that time. How correct was such a division of coaches and athletes Rozanov-Kostornaya, Plushenko-Trusova will show only the results and time.

I never said Plushenko isn’t coaching her. He was coaching together with Rozanov before, now it’s him and Dmitry. So I commented on that change of Rozanov vs Dmitry, that’s all.
Plushenko is present at Aliona’s trainings too.

 

[Azikin]

Plushenko is present at Aliona’s trainings too.

At least when the cameras are there... sorry, couldn't resist...

 

[ancientpeas]

Guys.. don't insult each other.

Other guys.. don't respond to posts insulting other users. Report them instead.

 

[nussnacker]

. OMG, I know things can sometimes get deep in the weeds in this thread, but, guys, I just came back from a visit to FSU and .

Very heated and nasty debate raging over there about IVF, surrogacy, child welfare, forced adoption and emancipated minors...or something. I am so confused, but as best I could understand.... apparently;

Arthur Liu got an donor egg from a Russian lady, in order to qualify Alysa for the Eteri bonus. Eteri is a surrogate mother incubating baby skaters, from eggs she poached from someone (Davydov? Pamova?) only to deliver them to Yana for big dollars, because Eteri is so poor that she cannot afford a fur coat made from 101 Dalmatians. Hot Sergei is the Pied Piper luring all the children away, because he never received the fur coat that he was promised. Plushy is just a scarecrow, because he doesn't have a brain. Janny is really Dorothy, because "there's no place like home". RusFed is Child Protective Services making all the decisions about which little babies get roast beef, and which little babies get ice dance partners. Alina is Gwendolyn the good witch. And world champion level skaters are either powerfully determined elite achievers or tragically manipulated and abused pawns of politics and greed.

I haven't sorted it all, yet, but don't worry. I am not bananas, the truth is out there.

just when you think internet can't get any crazier... it finds a way to prove you wrong.

 

[plushyfan]

Trusova's finished training under Rosanov and not yet going to Volkov.
I think the game is over.

Трусова прекратила тренировки у Розанова, с Волковым фигуристка не занимается - ТАСС

Спортсменка перешла в академию "Ангелы Плющенко" в мае вместе с тренером Сергеем Розановым, до этого оба числились в группе Этери Тутберидзе

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This is nothing. This is the end of the speculation because many people thought Rozanov is the only one who knows to teach the jumps but:
-Plushenko said Sasha 's parents talked with him 2 years ago
-Sasha said in the documentary she went to Plushenko.
-Plushenko started the off ice-training with her in late March quietly.
-They were together in Kislovodsk thus Rozanov made the choreography and they worked together with all students
-Aliona arrived they wanted to train the girls separately. Sasha with Plushenko and Alyona with Rozanov and Plushenko. Plushenko works with all students according to Volkov's interview.
-Plushenko and Mikhaylov were with Sasha on test skate.

So, what is new?

 

[plushyfan]

At least when the cameras are there... sorry, couldn't resist...

Do you think Plushenko is stupid? Doesn't he undestand how big possibility but how big responsibility are these girls? Don't repeat some malicious informations from the past.

FromVolkov's interview:

"But now he is building an ice rink and is very busy with it, plus working with Sasha, Alena, our guys, the same Kovalev. He's really breaking now, and I understand him. "

Artem Kovalyev:

Evgeni Plushenko often helps you in training?

Everyday. He also has his own group, and he helps us - makes transitions, ligaments, steps, teaches us to breathe correctly. Immediately after the skate, I was asked how to skate the program after two unsuccessful jumps at the beginning. It is Evgeny Viktorovich who teaches to abstract - whether he fell or did not fall, it doesn't matter at all. There is a program and you have to go from element to element.

What is the most valuable advice he gave you?
"At every start you don't have to think about the place." I have to do what I can, and the judges themselves will put me where I deserve. If I do my job, of course."

But I know they said it because they received money for it or they must said it because that is requirement at the academy to promote Plushenko.