2020-21 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[fabienne1996]

Rostrebnadzor, the national health authorities, have issued a serious public warning to Megasport for allowing violating of the rules (as we have seen ourselves on the live streams and the rest of Russia on nationwide TV), but apparently haven't informed Gorshkov, head of FFKKR, in person.

The hall speaker announced the rules many times, and it seems the spectators in majority obeyed them. Many skaters too, but some trainers weren't really serious. For masks to be effective, they have to be kept on at all times, not touched with your hands, etc etc.

Tomorrow, there will probably be more masks, is there any reason not to wear them in the K&C for instance? Masks can even be fashion item ....

Off topic here, but the issue with compulsory wearing and proper use of masks are serious. And recent findings have found children and teenagers to be very profilactic in spreading the virus without falling seriously ill themselves. With Russia breaking new infection records daily, it is only a matter of time before more skaters, trainers, staff and officials get infected.

Mabye the trainers can wear them in the k&cbut not the skaters who come out from having just skated, most are a bit out of breath, and then putting on a mask i think could be dangerous if they suddenly cant breath right underneath the mask because they are still breathing fast

 

[nussnacker]

Wouldn't say CoR was a lip - (!). Here it was. Will be fixed as she gets more comfortable with the technique, the actual jump is more effortless.

Me neither. I went to rewatch that just because of the comments, CoR flip was pretty good. She also used to pick differently I think (?), now she picks a lot closer to her other foot.

 

[anonymoose_au]

You're being much too negative.

Sasha always controls her destiny with her free skate she did it with TT and she will have the same scenario at PA.

But she doesn't, she can't.

The Fed doesn't want her to win, so she won't, they'll find some way to screw her over. A single mistake will sink her score while others will get all the leeway in the world.

It wouldn't be so bad if the Fed didn't prop skaters up then drop them like a stone. Building up a skater just to tear them down? Is that how the Fed gets their kicks? What a bunch of sickos.

 

[Skatesocs]

This is not entirely the truth. Slow in comparison with whom?
I saw her skate live several, several times— and while not the fastest, she certainly wasn’t slow.

please stop spreading false facts just to try and hold other skaters up. It’s not very becoming

I wouldn't say Kwan was slow either. But they did bring up an interesting point, that good skating skills don't always relate to speed. Kim was mentioned - gained speed with correct technique crossovers. Slutskaya - fast, but with a back that pumped the ice. If someone is faster due to improper technique (like Bradie Tennell currently), that's a big meh to me. Will take Asada's "slow" skating with pristine stroking instead.

 

[Lunalovesskating]

I remember I said that the photo was tilted, because the line of the boards was indeed going upwards. Which you can interpret as accusation of faking, but I thought it’s not wrong to point out screenshots causing inaccuracies. That’s the thing though, she would have a tendency to bend her ankle, but it didn’t always cause a lip, because she would also twist her body to give it a better inside edge. At least I don’t think it was one.

The photo wasn't tilted though it was completely straight.

It is always funny to see the people in this thread say things like "oh no it is bad angle, the screenshot is faked, you made a screenshot at the wrong time, the video quality is too bad to make a judgement etc." when people point out mistakes like wrong edges or underrotations from Eteri's skaters and then when the skater leaves Eteri those people suddenly see those mistakes like they were never there before and attribute them to the new coach, although those things have existed for years and people were just willfully in denial same old story every time

 

[Jontor]

The problem is those are the same people who praised Sasha before, when she was with Eteri, but now she's not it's open season.

I'm also still angry at all the crap that was flung at Plushy about being a fake coach who pays off the Fed and skaters parents to get results when it was clearly a big fat lie. And we all know that lying is the. Worst. Possible. Thing.

Worse than being a homophobic bigot like Yagudin or a body shaming hypocrite like T. Tarasova.

Well, if you know me, I am totally uninterested in all the Plushenko/Tutberidze drama that people are pushing. So if you are pushing the same agenda, you totally lost me.

I want to have decent, constructive discussions about skating, that's all. And right now, it happened to be about Trusova's '!' call she got today.

 

[Scott512]

But she doesn't, she can't.

The Fed doesn't want her to win, so she won't, they'll find some way to screw her over. A single mistake will sink her score while others will get all the leeway in the world.

It wouldn't be so bad if the Fed didn't prop skaters up then drop them like a stone. Building up a skater just to tear them down? Is that how the Fed gets their kicks? What a bunch of sickos.

It's one short program. If Sasha is deflated by this I would be disappointed in her.

The top two girls today in the short program younger than Sasha have different qualities than her. It doesn't mean they're better. Sasha will have her chances tomorrow and so will KV.

The FED will always consider Sasha one of the three to go to the Olympics because they're scoring potential is off the charts and if the other two girls struggle or are off a little bit then Sasha can still win. She is a front runner for the Olympics as are Anna and KV or Aliona at this point.

And if KV gets the edge over Sasha tomorrow so what. It's not Nationals Europeans worlds or Olympics.

 

[Jontor]

I wouldn't say Kwan was slow either. But they did bring up an interesting point, that good skating skills don't always relate to speed. Kim was mentioned - gained speed with correct technique crossovers. Slutskaya - fast, but with a back that pumped the ice. If someone is faster due to improper technique (like Bradie Tennell currently), that's a big meh to me. Will take Asada's "slow" skating with pristine stroking instead.

Interesting. I will always remember Kwan as suuuuper slow, but maybe that's just the impression I got. I remember Slutskaya though, she was super fast - too fast and it always looked frantic.

I can't say that I know what exactly "skating skills" really means. I believe it is very subjective. But isn't speed one of the requirements for Skating Skills?

Overall, I usually tend to like tech girls, I am always impressed with technical difficult programs, but my favourite skaters tend to be technically weak, they have something else that draws me in. So, my conlcusion is that I know nothing really.

 

[nussnacker]

The photo wasn't tilted though it was completely straight.

It is always funny to see the people in this thread say things like "oh no it is bad angle, the screenshot is faked, you made a screenshot at the wrong time, the video quality is too bad to make a judgement etc." when people point out mistakes like wrong edges or underrotations from Eteri's skaters and then when the skater leaves Eteri those people suddenly see those mistakes like they were never there before and attribute them to the new coach, although those things have existed for years and people were just willfully in denial same old story every time

it was, because boards have that blue line, which is pretty indicative of that, to each their own, I guess.

 

[TallyT]

Look, the Feds all have their pets and the ones they would rather not know about; look at the US and Japan as well as Russia. Nothing the non-favoured can do their damndest to except be obviously better than the pets.

 

[Skatesocs]

But isn't speed one of the requirements for Skating Skills?

It is, but how you build, control and maintain that speed is also important. So if you want to give Slutskaya credit for speed that's well and good, but you'd need to consider how she got that speed in the first place as well.

 

[anonymoose_au]

Look, the Feds all have their pets and the ones they would rather not know about; look at the US and Japan as well as Russia. Nothing the non-favoured can do their damndest to except be obviously better than the pets.

Well all those Fed's should be ashamed of themselves and I hope they all realise how horrible they are.

Perhaps they need a new slogan? Corrupt, cruel and crappy.

 

[Jontor]

But she doesn't, she can't.

The Fed doesn't want her to win, so she won't, they'll find some way to screw her over. A single mistake will sink her score while others will get all the leeway in the world.

It wouldn't be so bad if the Fed didn't prop skaters up then drop them like a stone. Building up a skater just to tear them down? Is that how the Fed gets their kicks? What a bunch of sickos.

Really? How do you know that the Fed doesn't want her to win?

I have to repeat myself, I already said earlier today that difficult BV's don't matter, it's the execution that does, and that is what is scored. It's pretty simple really.

I am a Trusova fan and I am hoping for a clean skate for her tomorrow. Let's be positive and hope for the best, huh?

 

[anonymoose_au]

Really? How do you know that the Fed doesn't want her to win?

I have to repeat myself, I already said earlier today that difficult BV's don't matter, it's the execution that does, and that is what is scored. It's pretty simple really.

I am a Trusova fan and I am hoping for a clean skate for her tomorrow. Let's be positive and hope for the best, huh?

Because of the score! It was barely better than what she gets internationally! The 3A was fully rotated! The combo was huge, the step sequence was fire. Her Beillman looked so easy!

But somehow the judges, who threw points at Kamila and Daria like candy, saw all that and thought it was barely worth more marks she got last year.

What else can you think? If she had actually fallen or struggled, fine, but to give a score like that...what else can it mean but Give. Up. Trusova. You're yesterday's news.

 

[Ophelia]

It's funny that 2 seasons ago Trusova was praised as the Messiah of figure skating and that no one would be able to stand in her way and that she was going to win every gold medal by a large margin, and now the narrative is that she is some poor, helpless underdog that the RusFed is biased against.

Ok folks.

 

[esteticlove]

Because of the score! It was barely better than what she gets internationally! The 3A was fully rotated! The combo was huge, the step sequence was fire. Her

But it had a step-out, you can't expect it to get high GOE.
She also lost a level on her spins. Got only level 3 of the StepSeq etc. I had a similar discussion about Medvedeva last year. Spins, steps, choreo are small beans but you can't efford not hitting them all because this throws some valuable points away, especially when the competition is so strong.

 

[Scott512]

Really? How do you know that the Fed doesn't want her to win?

I have to repeat myself, I already said earlier today that difficult BV's don't matter, it's the execution that does, and that is what is scored. It's pretty simple really.

I am a Trusova fan and I am hoping for a clean skate for her tomorrow. Let's be positive and hope for the best, huh?

Exactivly!

Sasha can win Worlds or Olympics if she hits her programs.

There is no need for the level of panic that I've seen in here today. Kamils
Will be a real challenge to Sasha and aliona and Anna the next couple of years. It's just the way it is.

Sasha will score big tomorrow. I guaran-damn-tee it.

 

[Jontor]

Because of the score! It was barely better than what she gets internationally! The 3A was fully rotated! The combo was huge, the step sequence was fire. Her Beillman looked so easy!

But somehow the judges, who threw points at Kamila and Daria like candy, saw all that and thought it was barely worth more marks she got last year.

What else can you think? If she had actually fallen or struggled, fine, but to give a score like that...what else can it mean but Give. Up. Trusova. You're yesterday's news.

On the contrary. - You. Go. Fight. Trusova. But. Try. To. Be. Clean. While. You're. At. It.

Yes, that 3A was a milestone in Trusova's career, it was the first fully rotated 3A she had done without a fall.
But it was not a good 3A. The judges gave her negative GOE on it and that was correct, right? After all, she had her hand down, she stepped out, and she almost fell. But cudos to Trusova that she stand up on it!

All in all, it was just ONE point more than if she had done a perfect 2A, and that is not the judges fault or the Russian Federation. It is how the point system works. Trusova, with a clean 3A, could have scored around 10 points maybe more. She got 5.60 for this one. And beside that, she had three other mistakes as well.

The judges threw points at Usacheva and Valieva because they were clean, Trusova wasn't.

 

[silveruskate]

Because of the score! It was barely better than what she gets internationally! The 3A was fully rotated! The combo was huge, the step sequence was fire. Her Beillman looked so easy!

But somehow the judges, who threw points at Kamila and Daria like candy, saw all that and thought it was barely worth more marks she got last year.

What else can you think? If she had actually fallen or struggled, fine, but to give a score like that...what else can it mean but Give. Up. Trusova. You're yesterday's news.

To be fair, the ! and lost marks on the spin were true judgements. I think she can fix the ! easily, and the spin...it was just one extra turn around she didn't do because she was keeping up with the music. No one can say she doesn't listen to the music anymore. It cost her a point because she was. Without these two errors she would have 2 extra points and be around 78.

The problem with RusFed is that they boosted her PCS so much at RusNats last year for her SP (34.83), so now when she is performing so much better we understandably expect a big increase in PCS score. But this is where the problem is, since I do think Kamila deserves better PCS than Sasha (compared to Kamila, Usacheva was underscored in PCS to be honest and should be the same as her). If they give Sasha a 36 for example, well then they have to give Kamila a 38 which is problematic. It is their own fault for giving PCS like candy that they cannot differentiate properly between their own skaters.

In past years they have depressed PCS scores for juniors. But because the Olympics is so soon they're not doing it now with Kamila. Also for Daria they're not, although they are doing it slightly as she has the same PCS as Sasha. We just have to deal with it.

 

[anonymoose_au]

But it had a step-out, you can't expect it to get high GOE.

And Anna's combo at the first stage was messy as Hell, but did they hammer her score? Nope.

Why is it good enough for some, but not others? Either overscore everyone or admit your bias.

If the Russian Fed wants to admit that they're favouring Kamila and Daria then at least I can respect them for being honest. Right now they're just lower than dirt and disgusting excuse for a so-called professional sports body.