2020-21 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[anonymoose_au]

then you must have missed this chez d'oeuvre of choreography:
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Plyushenko + Juliet = Sex Bombuliet

OMG I totally just watched Plushy's Bolero not two minutes ago. That program was the absolute bomb, one of my faves!

Anyway, I think Sasha has been making changes, she uses her arms more (armography for the win ) and she doesn't look as bent over in her jumps. She also seems more confident, although I suppose this could be chalked up to this new season being like a complete reset as much as Plushy's influence (after all you could never accuse Plushy of not being confident Even at 13 he acted like he owned the rink when he completed.)

 

[Edwin]

Regarding any Plyushchenko Effect at work, one can also compare Valeriya Shulskaya previous performances.

I think Shulskaya is a sort of 'free agent' being from the regions and all, searching for a place in the top Moscow Rinks.

Wether last year, CSKA's Davydov was really and effectively working Valeriya we don't know. She has been on training camps with CSKA, but usually stayed in the background. Whatever lead to a break up, we don't know either. Her Orenburg trainer was with her last year in the Nationals and at the Cup stage.

Shulskaya is now with Plyushchenko's Angels, which in her case perhaps makes sense. Why pay $$$$ to CSKA when you can have a free ride if you sign up with Plyushchenko?

Skating wise, in her first outing, there were more deductions that last year, but this could be early season adaption.

However, Valeriya didn't seem very comfortable with Ilinykh's touching her and fussing over her rinkside and in the K&C. Some persons are very closed and reserved by their nature, and this should be respected as such. In the flood of PR from the Angels, one can spot Valeriya in dance class and on ice, usually staying well in the background. She hardly talks off ice, in the K&C, and to me she seems to be a perfectionist by nature.

Valeriya looks tall and slim like a ballerina, I hope she is sufficiently strong mentally and parentally supported to stay away from eating disorders, no skating career with Plyushchenko is worth risking your health.

 

[Edwin]

then you must have missed this chez d'oeuvre of choreography:
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Plyushenko + Juliet = Sex Bombuliet

That's so cheap a transplant even He Who Does Not Bend to the System couldn't resist ;-)

In this picture, dad just couldn't resist the opportunity to add GnomGnomich to the training staff responsible for this victory? https://www.instagram.com/p/CGNoS8tD1Uf/

 

[Skatesocs]

then you must have missed this chez d'oeuvre of choreography:

Trust me when I say that I wish I had.

 

[JazzUp]

Trust me when I say that I wish I had.

did you go


too?

 

[Skatesocs]

did you go
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too?

Yes, yes I really did.

 

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After such a long intermission such a disheartening competition....I mean Kamilla, of course.

For me she is an undisputable star together with Anna, Alyona, and Sasha. I would place her at the top of a perfect triangle with 4 current Russian girls making the strongest group of skaters that figure skating has ever seen.



I hope that this setback will make Kamilla stronger. She is unique. I also hope that Sasha will start landing her jumps. Without it I just don't see her as a part of the equation. No matter what people say, I personally see no major improvements skating wise. Trusova is and will be about jumps, hence, she has to land them.

 

[nussnacker]

We should start introducing pie charts and more graphs in this thread!

 

[Lzbee]

Agree about Anna‘s PCS advantage, though Daniil did her no favour with changing the music but letting the choreo stay the same. Wasn‘t there a huge outrage when Liza tried to do the same last season? Imo, that should be reflected in the Composition part of PCS. Also, her skating skills are actually a little worse than Sasha‘s, IMO. So, the only parts where she‘d win over her are Interpretation and Performance. Though in those areas she‘d win by a landslide, of course.

As for the technical calls - Anna‘s Lutz deserves an e if Sasha‘s flip does - the edge problems are similarly bad. And Anna does her lutz in the SP in combination and has two of them in the FS, if I‘m not mistaken. That‘s quite a lot of points. I really don‘t get why she doesn‘t switch to a 3F+3Lo, she‘s done it beautifully multiple times and it‘s a combo that would be less scrutinized.

Actually, Anna used to occasionally get ! calls on her flip which is probably why they stuck with lutzes.

I don't really understand the judges on this preference for the inside edge since they seem to call flips as soon as they're verging on flat whereas they don't call lutzes even when they're obviously not outside. From my understanding, flips are supposed to be only slightly inside and lutzes are supposed to be deep outside so...

 

[Fluture]

He Who Does Not Bend to the System

She doesn't seem really happy by the antics of her owner on TV, in my eyes at least.

I never thought I‘d see anything more ridiculous than #TeamTutberidzeForProgress but here we are. #HeWhoDoesNotBendToTheSystem beats that by far, congratulations.

Also, did you seriously just call Plushenko Sasha‘s “owner“? If you did, then, sorry, but what on earth is wrong with you? She‘s a person, not a dog.

 

[anonymoose_au]

I never thought I‘d see anything more ridiculous than #TeamTutberidzeForProgress but here we are. #HeWhoDoesNotBendToTheSystem beats that by far, congratulations.

Also, did you seriously just call Plushenko Sasha‘s “owner“? If you did, then, sorry, but what on earth is wrong with you? She‘s a person, not a dog.

Yeeeah I've put Edwin on ignore, bit I looked at that post and wow.

Once again I feel I must ask, did Plushy run over your dog or sell you a really crappy car? What is your problem with him? I've never seen anyone so hateful to a person they don't even know! (Donald Trump excepted)

And Sasha is very happy at the Academy, she looked miserable with Team TUT last year. If you love Eteri so much perhaps you need to go join her school. Just make sure you have all your triples or she won't give you the time of day.

 

[nussnacker]

I think it's fine to say there're definitely some improvements to Sasha I can see right now.
I think some of her jumps started looking better, also some improvement on SS is noticeable too. She also visibly regressed in some areas as well, which I wouldn’t want to get in too much detail right now. However, my main point would be it's still too early to judge the effect of the coaching change on her overall. She needs more time to polish her programs and some other elements. RusNats might be a good competition to judge this.

 

[Skatesocs]

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Hmm, if this is meant to place Valieva at the top, I disagree. I do agree that Shcherbackova has a bit of everything, and would probably say she's the best Russian lady currently though. I wish she'd work a bit more on her skating skills, and I wish she had better jumps, but her performance/interpretation is the best of the lot for me, she does sometimes rotate her quads, goes for high content, and while I don't like her SP, that LP does have a nice opening (so I'd say it's the best Russian lady LP currently, though we're waiting on Kostornaia's). The other three can easily overtake her though, if Kostornaia gets a quad, or if Trusova shows significant improvement in PCS. Valieva has a season more to show up with consistency, or better presentation, or higher tech content, she's technically still a junior.

 

[nussnacker]

Hmm, if this is meant to place Valieva at the top, I disagree. I do agree that Shcherbackova has a bit of everything, and would probably say she's the best Russian lady currently though. I wish she'd work a bit more on her skating skills, and I wish she had better jumps, but her performance/interpretation is the best of the lot for me, she does sometimes rotate her quads, goes for high content, and while I don't like her SP, that LP does have a nice opening (so I'd say it's the best Russian lady LP currently, though we're waiting on Kostornaia's). The other three can easily overtake her though, if Kostornaia gets a quad, or if Trusova shows significant improvement in PCS. Valieva has a season more to show up with consistency, or better presentation, or higher tech content, she's technically still a junior.

I think the chart meant to show how Anna has some of each qualities of the other girls.

 

[Skatesocs]

I think the chart meant to show how Anna has some of each qualities of the other girls.

Okay, just was not sure since they said they would place Valieva at the top of the triangle.

Do have to correct myself a bit. Medvedeva's LP is the best currently, Anna can be second on that regard.

 

[nussnacker]

Okay, just was not sure since they said they would place her at the top of the triangle.

Do have to correct myself a bit. Medvedeva's LP is the best currently, Anna can be second on that regard.

I have no idea, I was just guessing

 

[kolyadafan2002]

We should start introducing pie charts and more graphs in this thread!

I've got a new idea... The Average National Inflation Component. Average PCS among every national competition / Average PCS from every international competition * 100 - 100. Otherwise known as the % the PCS is inflated or deflated. Same for GOE etc. Can only be modelled with the same programs throughout the same season.

 

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Hmm, if this is meant to place Valieva at the top, I disagree. I do agree that Shcherbackova has a bit of everything, and would probably say she's the best Russian lady currently though. I wish she'd work a bit more on her skating skills, and I wish she had better jumps, but her performance/interpretation is the best of the lot for me, she does sometimes rotate her quads, goes for high content, and while I don't like her SP, that LP does have a nice opening (so I'd say it's the best Russian lady LP currently, though we're waiting on Kostornaia's). The other three can easily overtake her though, if Kostornaia gets a quad, or if Trusova shows significant improvement in PCS. Valieva has a season more to show up with consistency, or better presentation, or higher tech content, she's technically still a junior.

It's my personal opinion. I do think that pcs wise Kamilla is at par with Alyona, may be she is lagging behind just a bit and she has quads. I also think that Anna is a well rounded skater that in her good day can win everything. But she is lacking "wow" "It" factor of Alyona and Kamilla and her quads arsenal is not as strong as Sasha's.

It's a perfect triangle. Kamilla's place in the center shows her excellence in both 1st and 2nd marks. In principle, it means that she can be at the top if she gets the same jumps as Sasha.

Why not Anna? I like Kamilla's/Alyona's skating better and so far Kamilla's track record is not marred with URs and edges like Anna's.

 

[Vemvane]

Nice to see some appreciation for Anna Frolova:



(Also, I love it when people break down steps and transitions, because it makes it so much easier for me to understand what is going on.)

 

[nussnacker]

Nice to see some appreciation for Anna Frolova:



(Also, I love it when people break down steps and transitions, because it makes it so much easier for me to understand what is going on.)

Actually, I’ve already mentioned it, but Anna is really improving with Davydov. Her jumps under Panova were so small and almost barely done, I thought they won’t last few years down the road. Now they look quite a bit bigger and more confident, I have a great feeling about her going through puberty with better jumps. The coaching change seems to have really worked for her.