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Music was different, the choreo was full of many recycled moves, (except the spiral in the choreo sequence, that was a cool moment)



They try to include as many moves as possible in her programs i think to show her abilities, but at the same time because of that she always look in a hurry, and that's something i noticed from the free last year as well. She hits very pretty positions but if they let her holding them for more than half a second it would be way more effective.

Maybe she is just really comfortable with this particular move since she has been doing it for so long?

 
Definitely will need the lutz and will need to clean up her other jump issues, she did 3 quads today, 1 in combination, and she scored 164.82, Shcherbakova did 1 quad a few weeks ago and scored 164.27; with 3 quads (granted 1 was a poorly executed) she still only beat Shcherbakova by roughly 4 1/2 points in the technical score. Shcherbakova still beat her in the overall scores 246 to 240.
Really shows how overscored Shcherbakova was tbh because that wasn’t a great performance from her either
 
Really shows how overscored Shcherbakova was tbh because that wasn’t a great performance from her either
Shcherbakova had 2 more bonus points, and didn't have any falls or crash landings like Trusova had on her 3A and 4Lz. If Trusova would have been clean this weekend she would have scored 18-20 points more.
If Shcherbakova gets back her 4Lzs then Trusova really must regain hers as well. After all Trusova's 4Ts are a lot less worth.
 
Shcherbakova had 2 more bonus points, and didn't have any falls or crash landings like Trusova had on her 3A and 4Lz. If Trusova would have been clean this weekend she would have scored 18-20 points more.
If Shcherbakova gets back her 4Lzs then Trusova really must regain hers as well. After all Trusova's 4Ts are a lot less worth.
True, but she also had a significant number of uncalled URs, (or they called them q when they were clearly more than a quarter under)... in national competitions this won't matter (the technical panel likes Anna) but it would really effect her score internationally. All her combos were under...

Actually, I would say Anna and Trusova are both still vulnerable to Aliona with a 3A and Rika with.a 3A and rotated 4S. If Trusova can land her 3A and 4Lz, she won't be defeated by anyone. (currently, who knows which skater might add more elements in the future). But, that is a big ask.
 
To end the day on a more reflective note, just as much for all the politics, manipulating of levels, bonuses, GOEs, PCS, and what else. I honestly think Kamila would have been much better off without them. Probably would have come 2nd too, or maybe 3rd, but without the bad air of having been pushed to win unfairly. She's a brilliant skater and on her day is able to win without this unwarranted unfair help, just not always and not with everyone. On Sasha's day, she'll lose no matter what - and all this pushing and hyping just makes it look - and probably feel - way worse.
She is still the same one dimensional one note skater she had been. She certainly came here with something to prove but still ended up with another jumping program nobody cares about after the scores are announced. The novelty of quads and 3A are over. It's about time she puts some effort in her other elements. When your a multiple quad skater, multiple JWC winner and established star but still getting outshine by a junior skater with no quad or 3a that's a failure on your part. The quads can only get you so far. Captivating the audience is another thing. She certainly did not own the rink today with that performance. And talking about PCS manipulation, Sasha's 70+ is a brilliant example.
 
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Shcherbakova had 2 more bonus points, and didn't have any falls or crash landings like Trusova had on her 3A and 4Lz. If Trusova would have been clean this weekend she would have scored 18-20 points more.
If Shcherbakova gets back her 4Lzs then Trusova really must regain hers as well. After all Trusova's 4Ts are a lot less worth.
Shcherbakova and Trusova were both massively overscored in the FS. A lot of Anya's URs went uncalled, and of course the lutz edges also went uncalled. Her PCS and GOE were very generous but that wasn't too big a surprise. Sasha's technical elements were realistically scored enough, they called the 3Lo UR and the 3F!, but her PCS were way too much for what she delivered. I would say that Sasha still should've gotten a higher score than Anya if this were the same competition.
 
The Sasha's horrible 3Lz3Lo crash cost her few points, maybe 10 or so overall.

Yet, talking about StSeq TAT mentioned in LIVE she fully agrees with Valieva receiving level 4 but failing to understand why Trusova received only level 3?
I think judges were very nervous after three more or less done quads but very happy with that 3Lz3Lo misfortune. One more crash landing would place Valieva above.
But the Force was with the Winner.
 
Really shows how overscored Shcherbakova was tbh because that wasn’t a great performance from her either
Anna will also have a much deserved PCS advantage internationally. Sasha'sFP performance and interpretation wise is not better than GoT last season. And if Anna's lutz gets a ! call, Sasha's flip would probably get an e. It depends on how many 4Lz Anna goes for compared to 4F. If Alena can get her 3A back, they'd both have to be very clean unless they get a 3A as well. Rika, I'm not so sure. None of her jumps are particularly big and her 4S specifically looks very small, I'm not sure the GOE will be there. For the Russians, it will come down to who can add the 3A in the short and long, with their planned tech so far.
 
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In my humble opinion, Daria should have been 2nd overall. I think RusFed won't put her above Kamila and it's a shame. Kamila was great to see but the snake costume is so bizarre. A snake in bolero? 🤔 She's a talented girl but I don't know what else can she do with that repetitive music and program that is built up so slow compared to the others, plus her strength is obviously in lyrical programs. So her program packaging looks a bit disconnected from her best qualities.

I adore Sasha's smile. She is learning to control her pre-competition nerves a bit more (probably her biggest weakness) and I think she will keep making amazing progress with jumps, components and musicality!! You can tell she's at ease with her coach and that makes me happy👍
Control your nerves !!! What can you call controlling your nerves to someone who falls 2 times when they already knew they had won, because Valieva's 3 falls gave Trusova the victory instantly, she knew that she should only land a combined quad even if she fell into the another 2 quads to win. Say that Trusova controls her nerves if today Valieva skates well and scores 175 points and then Trusova does the skating of her life and surpasses it, it is incredible the mistakes that Trusova made skating with 0 pressure ...

Another thing, for all those who say that it is still too early for Usacheva and Valieva to be in front of seniors, I remind you that Trusova and Shcherbakova at 14 crushed all Russian seniors like Zagitova, Tuktamysheva and Medvedeva in 2018, both being juniors.
 
And if Anna's lutz gets a ! call, Sasha's flip would probably get an e.
Agree about Anna‘s PCS advantage, though Daniil did her no favour with changing the music but letting the choreo stay the same. Wasn‘t there a huge outrage when Liza tried to do the same last season? Imo, that should be reflected in the Composition part of PCS. Also, her skating skills are actually a little worse than Sasha‘s, IMO. So, the only parts where she‘d win over her are Interpretation and Performance. Though in those areas she‘d win by a landslide, of course.

As for the technical calls - Anna‘s Lutz deserves an e if Sasha‘s flip does - the edge problems are similarly bad. And Anna does her lutz in the SP in combination and has two of them in the FS, if I‘m not mistaken. That‘s quite a lot of points. I really don‘t get why she doesn‘t switch to a 3F+3Lo, she‘s done it beautifully multiple times and it‘s a combo that would be less scrutinized.
 
Agree about Anna‘s PCS advantage, though Daniil did her no favour with changing the music but letting the choreo stay the same. Wasn‘t there a huge outrage when Liza tried to do the same last season? Imo, that should be reflected in the Composition part of PCS. Also, her skating skills are actually a little worse than Sasha‘s, IMO. So, the only parts where she‘d win over her are Interpretation and Performance. Though in those areas she‘d win by a landslide, of course.

As for the technical calls - Anna‘s Lutz deserves an e if Sasha‘s flip does - the edge problems are similarly bad. And Anna does her lutz in the SP in combination and has two of them in the FS, if I‘m not mistaken. That‘s quite a lot of points. I really don‘t get why she doesn‘t switch to a 3F+3Lo, she‘s done it beautifully multiple times and it‘s a combo that would be less scrutinized.
The music change would be an issue if she were off the music or if her movements didn't match, but that's not the case. While the choreography didn't change, her interpretation did. The way she performs it now vs. at test skates is very different; it doesn't look like movement with music in the background. If you didn't know her music before, you would think it was choreographed specifically for this piece. That's all Anna's doing of course, not Daniil's, but I'd have her ahead in CO if you just look at what they put out on the ice which is what is scored. Luckily, she's talented enough that she doesn't need favours from him. Yes, I also think Sasha's skating skills are better than Anna's, but like you said her PE and INT would win by a landslide. I'd also give TR to Anna because not only does she have transitions going into her quad (and quads if we look at last season), they're also done with more purpose and refinement, and of course match the music.

Anna's lutz doesn't deserve an e; I don't think she's ever been on the inside. In Sasha's flip, she's actually on the outside. Anna's flat edge would get an ! as that's the call for a flat edge. Similarly, Daria's lutz would also get a !, and maybe an e for the ones last season but the ones here looked flat.
 
Any idea what's going on with Tarakanova?

She competed hors de concours last weekend at her new club Army of Skaters.
None of her routines were shown, her scores aren't in the protocols and I thought to have seen a 90 something flash by on screen during the free program competition near the end of the stream.

Plus, on her social media she looks out of shape, but otherwise a reasonable happy teenager.
 
Any idea what's going on with Tarakanova?

She competed hors de concours last weekend at her new club Army of Skaters.
None of her routines were shown, her scores aren't in the protocols and I thought to have seen a 90 something flash by on screen during the free program competition near the end of the stream.

Plus, on her social media she looks out of shape, but otherwise a reasonable happy teenager.
I would like to know as well
 
Hahahaba
Well we still have a long way to go before we reach the drama level of 90s Russian Ice dancing! Remember those days?
Hahahh depending on when in the 90s, I was either not born or less than 3.3 years old soooo 😂
Well we still have a long way to go before we reach the drama level of 90s Russian Ice dancing! Remember those days? :eek::rofl:
 
Personally, I saw no Plyushchenko Effect already at work in Trusova's skating, interpretation and presentation.

She rides in her old boots, in an old dress, using her arsenal of skill acquired in her previous rink. This was to be expected, despite all the bragging and bla-bla.

Changing a skater takes time, patience and effort. But He Who Does Not Bend to the System obviously knows best.
Given what Dmitry Mikhailov said, they still go the quantity over quality route, hoping Trusova's proficiency in jumping will crush the competition. Putting ambition above code savvyness. Trusova has grown, has grown stronger still, if she stays injury free, there will hardly be any physical boundaries for her. Her psychology and competitive mentality under He Who Does Not Bend to the SysteM? We'll see how good a sports psychologist Yevgeniy Viktorovich is. I am glad to have seen a nice working relationship with Mikhailov, who could have been her older brother, her boyfriend even, since he is young and looks even younger. The suggested fall out with Rozanov, staying well clear of Volkov, Ilinykh's cuddling and fussing, hopefully Trusova is able to deal with all this, not forgetting parental pressure

Time will tell how the qualification proceeds, and given the reckless way some trainers disobey basic anti-infection measures, we can only hope for the best. Ministry of Sports will proceed with competitions as long as the health situation allows. It is only matter of time training staff and top skaters get infected, unless everybody already has had a shot of Russia's miracle vaccine.

Aleksandra herself hasn't changed much, she is still her adorable self in the Kiss 'n Cry. Stilll being high on adrenaline in the live TV interview, giggling and only half heartedly answering the questions.

She doesn't seem really happy by the antics of her owner on TV, in my eyes at least.

And her new seamstress hasn't yet made costumes for Tina?
 
Agree about Anna‘s PCS advantage, though Daniil did her no favour with changing the music but letting the choreo stay the same. Wasn‘t there a huge outrage when Liza tried to do the same last season? Imo, that should be reflected in the Composition part of PCS. Also, her skating skills are actually a little worse than Sasha‘s, IMO. So, the only parts where she‘d win over her are Interpretation and Performance. Though in those areas she‘d win by a landslide, of course.

As for the technical calls - Anna‘s Lutz deserves an e if Sasha‘s flip does - the edge problems are similarly bad. And Anna does her lutz in the SP in combination and has two of them in the FS, if I‘m not mistaken. That‘s quite a lot of points. I really don‘t get why she doesn‘t switch to a 3F+3Lo, she‘s done it beautifully multiple times and it‘s a combo that would be less scrutinized.
The PCS between Trusova and Shcherbakova is not even a contest. It's a one horse race. Trusova does not even compare well to several of her opponents yesterday. There is no point inserting on her conversations where she is largely irrelevant. As for the jumps where she excels it's largely neutralize by her other problem which is her levels. She is lazy at doing non jump elements and most of the time she is already thinking of her next money jump. Anna can make up for her jump deficiencies with her other elements. With same TES Anna should really be heads above whatever Trusova skates. As we've seen the past year she has come out ahead everytime they met.
 
The music change would be an issue if she were off the music or if her movements didn't match, but that's not the case. While the choreography didn't change, her interpretation did. The way she performs it now vs. at test skates is very different; it doesn't look like movement with music in the background. If you didn't know her music before, you would think it was choreographed specifically for this piece. That's all Anna's doing of course, not Daniil's, but I'd have her ahead in CO if you just look at what they put out on the ice which is what is scored. Luckily, she's talented enough that she doesn't need favours from him. Yes, I also think Sasha's skating skills are better than Anna's, but like you said her PE and INT would win by a landslide. I'd also give TR to Anna because not only does she have transitions going into her quad (and quads if we look at last season), they're also done with more purpose and refinement, and of course match the music.

Anna's lutz doesn't deserve an e; I don't think she's ever been on the inside. In Sasha's flip, she's actually on the outside. Anna's flat edge would get an ! as that's the call for a flat edge. Similarly, Daria's lutz would also get a !, and maybe an e for the ones last season but the ones here looked flat.
The last part of Anna’s FS was originally choreographed to very slow, solemn music. The new music on the other hand is fast and upbeat and generally totally different. And yet you‘re trying to tell me it doesn‘t matter if the choreography stays entirely the same as long as her (facial) interpretation changes? Sure, she‘s better at masking it than Liza was because she‘s just a better performer. But in the end, the fact doesn‘t change that her choreography doesn‘t fit the music at all. Anna‘s good that she “doesn’t need favors from Daniil“ but even she can‘t save a misfit of a program. The program itself isn‘t even bad but the fact that he thinks he can just change the music without any obvious changes to the choreography is pretty disrespectful in itself. Still, Anna wins easily on PCS based on presentation and interpretation. Transitions are closer but I agree with you that even here she should score higher. Skating skills and composition go to Sasha but it‘s not that obvious of advantage here either, considering that Sasha‘s program isn‘t exactly the greatest R&J ever and at times just plain awkward.

As for the lutz edge discussion... it‘s as old as time. My opinion is that her lutz is flat, sometimes inside. As for Daria... her edge has improved but imo, it‘s still a pretty bad flutz. Not Medvedeva level flutz but still a flutz.
 
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