2020-21 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating
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Because everyone else falls over themselves to praise Kamila, like she's the most perfect skater ever and how dare you not fall at her feet and praise every move she does as high art. Liza though is apparently trash and it's fine to say whatever you like, to say nothing of Sofia S or Maria Sotskova (who's Tano I actually liked but you'd think that's a capital crime here)
For your information Sasha's always been my favourite of the 3A, and I defended her when I could. You wouldn't have seen me in last season's thread much because like this season's thread there were two favourites Anna Scherbakova and Aliona K and hellfire fall upon you if you didn't fall at their feet and praise their superior artistry.
Nothing I say has ever changed anyone's mind so I honestly don't know why I bother.
Oh and I never accused Eteri of planning Zhenya's defeat at the Olympics, I merely objected to her acting as if she didn't think it was a high possibility and then being a complete and utter brat when Zhenya chose to leave her.
ETA: Perhaps I'd be less angry if fellow posters would accept Kamila's skate wasn't all that. If Sasha had skated like that she wouldn't be anywhere near thee podium and you know it. It was a frenetic and incoherent performance and I'm sorry Kamila had a bad skate but she did. Her performance of at the Test Skates was far better.
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*facepalm emoji*
LOL!, Anonymoose. So you are here to tell us that your taste and what you like is superior?
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, including you. But don't expect others to follow yours as if it is the right thing to do.
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Ahh I'm so happy to see more people getting on the Muravyeva hype train (she was my favorite novice last year, with Samodelkina in a close second)! She's improved so much since test skates!
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I was late watching the competition from this past weekend but, my quick thoughts:
Sasha: Good for her. I see small improvements particularly in her execution of the choreography (a bit more completion to her movements than in the past) and that's good to see. The 3A will get there eventually. She needs to work on maxing her non-jump elements and milking as much +GOE out of everything since she's at a clear disadvantage when it comes to those elements. Great job and congrats to her and her team.
Kamila: I thought she should have been 3rd. Her FS was rough and Daria was cleaner. Since the scores were only 0.50 apart it should have gone the other way. The SP was strong but the nerves seemed to get to her in the FS. I get the fall on the first quad (she always seems to flub the first one) but the extra fall and step out are what cost her gold. Side note, her dresses are terrible. The SP dress destroys her long leg lines (so dumb) and the FS dress is just all kinds of NOPE. To her designer: try again, please and thanks. She deserves better than those...
Daria: Should have gotten silver. She lacks the wow factor of the other two but she was visibly clean, though haven't seen the protocols. Regardless, she was the only one of the top 3 who didn't fall and she outperformed both Sasha and Kamila in terms of her programs. With the scores being so close she should have been given the nod over Kamila.
Sasha: Good for her. I see small improvements particularly in her execution of the choreography (a bit more completion to her movements than in the past) and that's good to see. The 3A will get there eventually. She needs to work on maxing her non-jump elements and milking as much +GOE out of everything since she's at a clear disadvantage when it comes to those elements. Great job and congrats to her and her team.
Kamila: I thought she should have been 3rd. Her FS was rough and Daria was cleaner. Since the scores were only 0.50 apart it should have gone the other way. The SP was strong but the nerves seemed to get to her in the FS. I get the fall on the first quad (she always seems to flub the first one) but the extra fall and step out are what cost her gold. Side note, her dresses are terrible. The SP dress destroys her long leg lines (so dumb) and the FS dress is just all kinds of NOPE. To her designer: try again, please and thanks. She deserves better than those...
Daria: Should have gotten silver. She lacks the wow factor of the other two but she was visibly clean, though haven't seen the protocols. Regardless, she was the only one of the top 3 who didn't fall and she outperformed both Sasha and Kamila in terms of her programs. With the scores being so close she should have been given the nod over Kamila.
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I just disagree about Daria’s lack of wow factor. I think she does have it, it’s just that she doesn’t have the “hype” factor from her team, from her school, from the media and from the federation. If Team Tutberidze starts to treat her and sell her image like that of a star (which she deserves), I bet the “wow factor” will be much more visible.
After test skates, I thought there was no coming back for her, but this weekend she showed she can beat Kamila in artistry/consistency and quality. She’s become for sure one of my favorite juniors, alongside Osokina and Muravyova.
And I dare to say she’s better than Alina and Evgenia at this age. This girl, if well packaged and with support from her team, can be a huge star.
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She also has the best facial expressions out of all the juniors, perhaps. Unfortunately she's always had issues with jumps but perhaps she's getting there.
Vazhnova's quite the talent in everything except jumps.
I don't really agree. In my opinion it doesn't have anything to do with marketing or anything. She was pretty much the same even before she went to Eteri - great skating skills, boring to watch, performing doesn't connect to audience. She executes but no greater emotions to be found in my opinion.
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Zhenya got an edge call on ALL of her Lutzes last season. 8 out of 8 Lutzes got a call. Show me the mysterious protocols you were looking at
because all the protocols I looked at from last season do not show this mysterious Lutz you speak of.I was in the mood to have another look at protocols and thought it would be fun to look at the edge calls of some of the skaters who left Eteri. I have collected the edge calls they got the season before leaving and the season after leaving.
Polina Tsurskaya:
With Eteri: Season 2017-18: Edge calls: 0
After Eteri: Season 2018-19: 4 ! calls on her Flips out of 7 performed Flips. (58% of her Flips got a call.)
From 0 to 4 calls in one season.
Daria Panenkova
With Eteri: Season 2017-18: 2 ! calls out of 9 Flips (22,22%)
After Eteri : Season 2018-19: 5 ! calls out of 7 Flips. (71,43%)
Evgenia Medvedeva
With Eteri: Season 2017-18: 2 calls: 1 ! call and 1 e call on 2 Lutzes out of 5 (40%, 20% got a !, 20% got an e).
After Eteri: Season 2018-19: 7 calls: 6 ! calls and 1 e call. 7 out of 10 Lutzes were called (70% of the Lutzes were called: 60% got a ! call, 10% e)
Season 2019-20: 8 edge calls: 4 ! calls and 4 e calls. 8 calls out of 8 Lutzes (100% of Lutzes were called, 50% got a ! call, 50% got an e call)
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Daria is probably the most artistic out of Eteri's juniors right now. She actually emotes, not always with her face, but often with her movements and arm gestures. I find it really amazing that her skating can be so delicate and light, and then so dramatic and heavy, all in one program. I honestly find her more impressive than Kamila, performance wise.
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"Medvedeva was not called with an E for her lutz even last season and got generous GOEs for it (+3s)"I was in the mood to have another look at protocols and thought it would be fun to look at the edge calls of some of the skaters who left Eteri. I have collected the edge calls they got the season before leaving and the season after leaving.
Polina Tsurskaya:
With Eteri: Season 2017-18: Edge calls: 0
After Eteri: Season 2018-19: 4 ! calls on her Flips out of 7 performed Flips. (58% of her Flips got a call.)
From 0 to 4 calls.
Daria Panenkova
With Eteri: Season 2017-18: 2 ! calls out of 9 Flips (22,22%)
After Eteri : Season 2018-19: 5 ! calls out of 7 Flips. (71,43%)
Evgenia Medvedeva
With Eteri: Season 2017-18: 2 calls: 1 ! call and 1 e call on 2 Lutzes out of 5 (40%, 20% got a !, 20% got an e).
After Eteri: Season 2018-19: 7 calls: 6 ! calls and 1 e call. 7 out of 10 Lutzes were called (70% of the Lutzes were called: 60% got a ! call, 10% e)
Season 2019-20: 8 edge calls: 4 ! calls and 4 e calls. 8 calls out of 8 Lutzes (100% of Lutzes were called, 50% got a ! call, 50% got an e call)
Zhenya got an edge call on ALL of her Lutzes last season. 8 out of 8 Lutzes got a call. Show me the mysterious protocols you were looking at
I was in the mood to have another look at protocols and thought it would be fun to look at the edge calls of some of the skaters who left Eteri. I have collected the edge calls they got the season before leaving and the season after leaving.
Polina Tsurskaya:
With Eteri: Season 2017-18: Edge calls: 0
After Eteri: Season 2018-19: 4 ! calls on her Flips out of 7 performed Flips. (58% of her Flips got a call.)
From 0 to 4 calls in one season.
Daria Panenkova
With Eteri: Season 2017-18: 2 ! calls out of 9 Flips (22,22%)
After Eteri : Season 2018-19: 5 ! calls out of 7 Flips. (71,43%)
Evgenia Medvedeva
With Eteri: Season 2017-18: 2 calls: 1 ! call and 1 e call on 2 Lutzes out of 5 (40%, 20% got a !, 20% got an e).
After Eteri: Season 2018-19: 7 calls: 6 ! calls and 1 e call. 7 out of 10 Lutzes were called (70% of the Lutzes were called: 60% got a ! call, 10% e)
Season 2019-20: 8 edge calls: 4 ! calls and 4 e calls. 8 calls out of 8 Lutzes (100% of Lutzes were called, 50% got a ! call, 50% got an e call)
Now read this again slowly... Thanks for providing further proof of my statement btw. 4 ! calls, considering she was doing a maximum amount of lutzes possible in 2 programs initially, and considering that in 2019 it was a well known and admitted problem publicly even by herself and her team. yeah...
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100% of lutzes were called. That has nothing to do with amount of lutzes performed, that is the ratio of lutzes called to lutzes performed. The problem is that the overall percentage of lutzes called over lutzes jumped should stay the same in all circumstances except for the rare one in which the skater in question actually fixes their edge, or gets worse. None of those things happened, so the growth from 40% to 70% then to 100% makes zero sense. Just because she did less lutzes doesn't somehow mean that she didn't flutz. And the judges really shouldn't need for Zhenya herself to say that she flutzes in order to call them. There may be other factors leading to the increase, but the increase exists. The reasons behind it may never be known, but to try to argue against statistics... not the most intelligent choice.
And your quote about Zhenya and +3, well first of all, she got called an "e" as the stats show you. And yes, she may have gotten +3, but that was at Worlds, and only Worlds (and we know how the judges really weren't into giving calls at Worlds that year). Like you said, Alina got an "e" call at IDF, but that was only at IDF too wasn't it? One competition can't define the stats from an entire season. Besides the lutz at Worlds, all other lutzes got significantly lower GOE (all around +1.5 GOE or less).
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it can only be a coincidenceZhenya got an edge call on ALL of her Lutzes last season. 8 out of 8 Lutzes got a call. Show me the mysterious protocols you were looking at
I was in the mood to have another look at protocols and thought it would be fun to look at the edge calls of some of the skaters who left Eteri. I have collected the edge calls they got the season before leaving and the season after leaving.
Polina Tsurskaya:
With Eteri: Season 2017-18: Edge calls: 0
After Eteri: Season 2018-19: 4 ! calls on her Flips out of 7 performed Flips. (58% of her Flips got a call.)
From 0 to 4 calls in one season.
Daria Panenkova
With Eteri: Season 2017-18: 2 ! calls out of 9 Flips (22,22%)
After Eteri : Season 2018-19: 5 ! calls out of 7 Flips. (71,43%)
Evgenia Medvedeva
With Eteri: Season 2017-18: 2 calls: 1 ! call and 1 e call on 2 Lutzes out of 5 (40%, 20% got a !, 20% got an e).
After Eteri: Season 2018-19: 7 calls: 6 ! calls and 1 e call. 7 out of 10 Lutzes were called (70% of the Lutzes were called: 60% got a ! call, 10% e)
Season 2019-20: 8 edge calls: 4 ! calls and 4 e calls. 8 calls out of 8 Lutzes (100% of Lutzes were called, 50% got a ! call, 50% got an e call)
Yes, I remember that one. It was at Autumn Classic's (both long and short) when she only got an '!' and a few judges gave her +3GOE.
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I agree. Daria is truly artistic. I have hated all of her programs, and yet her performance ability shines through....I do wish such an incredibly artistic skater had better programs. I feel like they miss the mark.
Speaking of a skater with charm. Elizaveta Berestovskaya has it in spades. She is adorable. Her SS could use improvement, as could her jumps but she had such a charming energy on the ice.
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Yes, I appreciate Valieva. She is an incredibly talented young lady, but performance wise I feel nothing. She often looks stress during her programs, and it makes me feel stressed watching her.
Zhenya got an edge call on ALL of her Lutzes last season. 8 out of 8 Lutzes got a call. Show me the mysterious protocols you were looking at
I was in the mood to have another look at protocols and thought it would be fun to look at the edge calls of some of the skaters who left Eteri. I have collected the edge calls they got the season before leaving and the season after leaving.
Polina Tsurskaya:
With Eteri: Season 2017-18: Edge calls: 0
After Eteri: Season 2018-19: 4 ! calls on her Flips out of 7 performed Flips. (58% of her Flips got a call.)
From 0 to 4 calls in one season.
Daria Panenkova
With Eteri: Season 2017-18: 2 ! calls out of 9 Flips (22,22%)
After Eteri : Season 2018-19: 5 ! calls out of 7 Flips. (71,43%)
Evgenia Medvedeva
With Eteri: Season 2017-18: 2 calls: 1 ! call and 1 e call on 2 Lutzes out of 5 (40%, 20% got a !, 20% got an e).
After Eteri: Season 2018-19: 7 calls: 6 ! calls and 1 e call. 7 out of 10 Lutzes were called (70% of the Lutzes were called: 60% got a ! call, 10% e)
Season 2019-20: 8 edge calls: 4 ! calls and 4 e calls. 8 calls out of 8 Lutzes (100% of Lutzes were called, 50% got a ! call, 50% got an e call)
This to me is a bit disappointing i've to say, cause you read these protocols and you think the edge went worse after they left Eteri, but in reality it mostly stayed the same before and after leaving, it's just with that one coach somehow no one gets an edge call.
I'm looking at Usacheva now too, beautiful girl, i think she deserved the silver medal at the most recent cup event for sure, but those are flutzes even Andrea Bocelli could have seen, and they even showed one clearly in the replay.
Some will say sometimes they are not as clear so you can give the benefit of the doubt, but here 99% of the times they give the benefit of the doubt.
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All I can say is that Anna Scherbakova better not leave Eteri, because there would be a lot for the technical panel work with there, and those stats don't seem to be in her favor.Zhenya got an edge call on ALL of her Lutzes last season. 8 out of 8 Lutzes got a call. Show me the mysterious protocols you were looking at
I was in the mood to have another look at protocols and thought it would be fun to look at the edge calls of some of the skaters who left Eteri. I have collected the edge calls they got the season before leaving and the season after leaving.
Polina Tsurskaya:
With Eteri: Season 2017-18: Edge calls: 0
After Eteri: Season 2018-19: 4 ! calls on her Flips out of 7 performed Flips. (58% of her Flips got a call.)
From 0 to 4 calls in one season.
Daria Panenkova
With Eteri: Season 2017-18: 2 ! calls out of 9 Flips (22,22%)
After Eteri : Season 2018-19: 5 ! calls out of 7 Flips. (71,43%)
Evgenia Medvedeva
With Eteri: Season 2017-18: 2 calls: 1 ! call and 1 e call on 2 Lutzes out of 5 (40%, 20% got a !, 20% got an e).
After Eteri: Season 2018-19: 7 calls: 6 ! calls and 1 e call. 7 out of 10 Lutzes were called (70% of the Lutzes were called: 60% got a ! call, 10% e)
Season 2019-20: 8 edge calls: 4 ! calls and 4 e calls. 8 calls out of 8 Lutzes (100% of Lutzes were called, 50% got a ! call, 50% got an e call)
Question: When is Elizaveta Osokina going to perform again? And, has there been any news about my favorite just turned senior girl Ksenia? I really miss her skating. She is a "just right" skater for me. I miss seeing her.
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Definitely flutzes, but she is still lovely!
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