2020-21 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[Alex65]

That's not true. This documents states that it is composed 'taking in account' ('с учетом') ISU rules, and says nothing about PCS scores limitations.

Also, this document does not talk about the criteria for assessing various factors of the PCS, GOE bullets, spin levels and many other technical points of judgment. All this is in the ISU regulations to which the document you cited refers.

 

[ali0125]

I really enjoyed Kamila's skates when she was little - what a bless! But in a recent year or so, she looks like a fragile puppet doll to me. Daria, on the other hand, enjoys herself more while skating, and I love it. Watching more and more girls landing 3A and quad now, I think Daria could be a late bloomer, we never know.

 

[MintGreen]

Anyone in for a laugh: https://www.instagram.com/p/CGSg-2qo6mS/ ?

Read the comments ...

There is nothing funny or even remotely entertaining here. It clearly shows the taste of the person who creates this insta post. It's just another cheap stunt pulled off by Yagudin. As a former skater himself, he shows no respect to the skaters and coaches who work very hard everyday to achieve their full potential.

 

[brakes]

Berestovskaya fell twice, but I think her jumps got higher.

 

[trkvy]

At RusNats 2019 PCS limitation rules weren't followed with the Medvedeva's SP and Zagitova's FS https://fsrussia.ru/files/docs/competitons/1819/rusnat1819_protocol.pdf
So I'm not sure if they are obligatory for the Russian domestic competitions.

 

[nussnacker]

Does it say anywhere in there how the bonus points works at the Russian Cup? I'm still not sure how it works ladies contra men.

Here’s the photo is the document:

https://www.instagram.com/p/CGPKceRJ5es/

Junior and senior ladies: 2 B for 3A or a quad, 1 B for a spin of level 4 with an avg. GOE >=4.
junior men: 2 B for 4-3 combo, and 1 B for any other quad/quad combo. Same rule for spins.
senior men: 2B for 4Lo, 4F, 4Lz, 1B for having 2 different types of quads in one program, 2B for having 3 different types of quads in one program. Same rule for spins.

 

[Jontor]

Here’s the photo is the document:

https://www.instagram.com/p/CGPKceRJ5es/

Junior and senior ladies: 2 B for 3A or a quad, 1 B for a spin of level 4 with an avg. GOE >=4.
junior men: 2 B for 4-3 combo, and 1 B for any other quad/quad combo. Same rule for spins.
senior men: 2B for 4Lo, 4F, 4Lz, 1B for having 2 different types of quads in one program, 2B for having 3 different types of quads in one program. Same rule for spins.

Thanks! And we also know that you need to have positive GOE on your quads and 3As to get a bonus.

 

[Alex65]

At RusNats 2019 PCS limitation rules weren't followed with the Medvedeva's SP and Zagitova's FS https://fsrussia.ru/files/docs/competitons/1819/rusnat1819_protocol.pdf
So I'm not sure if they are obligatory for the Russian domestic competitions.

Take a close look at the protocol: Medvedeva has one fall in the protocol, she has no PCS more than 9.5, Zagitova has 2 falls. Zagitova received all 8.75 ID and PE, and 9.25 all other PCS categories. Only one judge gave her 9.5 TR. So everything works right.

 

[anonymoose_au]

There is nothing funny or even remotely entertaining here. It clearly shows the taste of the person who creates this insta post. It's just another cheap stunt pulled off by Yagudin. As a former skater himself, he shows no respect to the skaters and coaches who work very hard everyday to achieve their full potential.

I wish I could like this reply 50,000 times. Well said, Mint Green!

 

[bubblecherry]

I keep saying that it was THAT dress in her FS. That seemingly insignificant change from the familiar warm earth red to the cool, deep, Mediterranean blue-green nudged everyone into a fresh, clear-eyed assessment of her qualities.

Assuming you’re being serious (I think you are, this thread just surprises me sometimes) I would agree that it’s her best dress. Last season’s SP dress was really beautiful, too. I have that beautiful 2A in that gorgeous dress from last season ingrained in my head

 

[trkvy]

Take a close look at the protocol: Medvedeva has one fall in the protocol, she has no PCS more than 9.5, Zagitova has 2 falls. Zagitova received all 8.75 ID and PE, and 9.25 all other PCS categories. Only one judge gave her 9.5 TR. So everything works right.

No.
Rule is not about falls only, it's about major mistakes. Medvedeva lost her combo (GOE -5), so she got 2 major mistakes.
Zagitova with 2 falls got 9.5 in TR (max 9.25) and 9.25 in IN (max 8.75).

 

[Lunalovesskating]

No.
Rule is not about falls only, it's about major mistakes. Medvedeva lost her combo (GOE -5), so she got 2 major mistakes.
Zagitova with 2 falls got 9.5 in TR (max 9.25) and 9.25 in IN (max 8.75).

You are comparing Evgenia's SP and Alina's FS here, Alex65 was talking about Evgenia's FS and Alina's FS.
The PCs in Evgenia's SP are lower especially in Interpretation and Performance (high 8s) than her FS, as they should be due to the two errors, in her FS she had one mistake therefore higher PCs like Alex described.
Like Evgenia's SP, Alina's FS had two mistakes (2 falls) therefore the PCs especially Interpretation and Performance are as low as in Evgenia's SP (high 8s), since the rule is that with two serious erros the PCs have to be capped in certain categories such as Interpretation and Performance. As Alex already tried to explain to you several times.

 

[trkvy]

You are comparing Evgenia's SP and Alina's FS here, Alex65 was talking about Evgenia's FS and Alina's FS.
The PCs in Evgenia's SP are lower especially in Interpretation and Performance (high 8s) than her FS, as they should be due to the two errors, in her FS she had one mistake therefore higher PCs like Alex described.
Like Evgenia's SP, Alina's FS had two mistakes (2 falls) therefore the PCs especially Interpretation and Performance are as low as in Evgenia's SP (high 8s), since the rule is that with two serious erros the PCs have to be capped in certain categories such as Interpretation and Performance. As Alex already tried to explain to you several times.

You don't understand what I'm writing about. I'm not comparing these protocols. The thing is not all PCS grades are capped in this two protocols as they should be according to the ISU rules. Read carefully what you answer for.

 

[Mathman]

Complete liberation from bias is, I think, a logical falacy. Centuries of philosophy has parsed the relationship of perception and reality and remain confounded. But if we can decrease the perception of bias, reason stands, that in opposition thereof, we would move toward an increase in the perception of objectivity.

What do you think?

As for me, I think it's tricky. Figure skating is not speed skating or pole vaulting. A truely masterful skater can create thre illusion of windswept speed across th ice, and of graceful leaps that defy gravity. If you put a tape masure or stopwatch to them, they might not really be any faster, higher or stronger than another skater, but the performence carries all before it.

 

[colormyworld240]

Daria is the most nervous top Russian junior I've seen in a while. Probably since Alina's junior season where she botched her FS. She's also the most inconsistent top Russian junior in a long time, especially for someone doing a standard layout with no quad, 3A, or even -3Lo combo. Just a look at her first junior season, the only time she was clean was JWs IIRC. That hasn't been the case for any of the skaters for as long as I can remember: Sasha/Alena/Anna/Alina/Evgenia/Elena etc. I almost expect her to mess up the combos in her FS. I'm amazed that her team hasn't been able to make her more consistent, especially since the juniors that came before her have all been extremely consistent.

 

[TripleAxelQueens3]

Daria is the most nervous top Russian junior I've seen in a while. Probably since Alina's junior season where she botched her FS. She's also the most inconsistent top Russian junior in a long time, especially for someone doing a standard layout with no quad, 3A, or even -3Lo combo. Just a look at her first junior season, the only time she was clean was JWs IIRC. That hasn't been the case for any of the skaters for as long as I can remember: Sasha/Alena/Anna/Alina/Evgenia/Elena etc. I almost expect her to mess up the combos in her FS. I'm amazed that her team hasn't been able to make her more consistent, especially since the juniors that came before her have all been extremely consistent.

Did you watch the competition two days ago? She was completely clean. Yeah, Daria's one of the most inconsistent, but that doesn't necessarily mean "nervous". Her artistic performance never really reflects the inconsistencies of her jumping. But if you think about it, her recent competitions, Junior RusNats, Junior Worlds, this competition, they've all been clean. So... who's to say she isn't getting more consistent? Actually, last season, she was wildly inconsistent at the JGPs, yes, and the JGPF, but even at the Denis Ten Memorial and one of the stages of the Russian Cup she was completely clean. So her overall record was 11 clean programs to 3 with mistakes. Not horrible.

 

[Decoder]

Sof'ya Samodelkina well underway in adding difficulty: https://rsport.ria.ru/20201013/samodelkina-1579659926.html


MOSCOW, October 13 - RIA Novosti, Anatoly Samokhvalov. Russian figure skater Sof'ya Samodelkina is learning the quadruple Rittberger, the quadruple Salchow is already being practiced in her free program along with the triple Axel, the athlete's coach Sergey Davydov told RIA Novosti.
Thirteen-year-old Samodelkina took part in the August Test Skates of the Junior National team of Russia, in which she demonstrated an Axel with three and a half turns, but hasn't competed since.


Davydov told over the phone.

The final fourth and fifth stages of the Russian Cup will take place in Kazan (November 8-12) and Moscow (December 5-8), respectively.

Davydov group is raising the kids and really doing a good job.

 

[plushyfan]

As you know I'm the first person to blow up at attacks against Plushy, but this is truly the most pathetic thing I've ever seen. I'm not even angry, this is absurd. Yagudin is so utterly irrelevant.

He's always been a sore loser and ridiculously jealous of Plushy.

"No-one cares who is Russian National Champion" Says man who never managed it.

And Yagudin wrote the book on just lending your name to a school. His one is in Belarus and I think he bothers to show his face there once a year.


Those two just keep staying classy don't they?

We know from the book Yagudin used his hate to beat Plushy. I remember after Plushy's withdrawal in Sochi he was the first who said that was fake and made a "road show" with his opinion in the Russian media. I won't forget never his hateful face when he talked about it. There are videos on YT. And after that a Russian panker made a bad joke he called Yag with Rudkovskaya's voice and threatened Yag's family. But after 4-5 minutes he called Yag again and said the truth, that was a joke. But Yag didn't care about it tweeted about it to the whole world. The panker has audio recording about everything and he shared it on YT.. That was clear Yag lied the panker said Yagudin wanted to make public for himself and wanted to do evil for Plush. Yag didn't worked on TV then.

 

[Edwin]

Nice interviews by Olga Yermolina:

 

[eliana]

We know from the book Yagudin used his hate to beat Plushy. I remember after Plushy's withdrawal in Sochi he was the first who said that was fake and made a "road show" with his opinion in the Russian media. I won't forget never his hateful face when he talked about it. There are videos on YT. And after that a Russian planker made a bad joke he called Yag with Rudkovskaya's voice and threatened Yag's family. But after 4-5 minutes he called Yag again and said the truth, that was a joke. But Yag didn't care about it tweeted about it to the whole world. The planker has audio recording about everything. That was clear Yag lied the planker said Yagudin wanted to make public for himself and wanted to do evil for Plush. Yag didn't worked on TV then.

Let go of Yagudin! He doesn't deserve attention