2020-21 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[Edwin]

It has often been discussed ISU, and by extension the top federations, should have a stronger technology support to be less dependable on human subjectivity and this one prescribed technical specialist camera position.

The inherent subjectivity of PCS will always be a huge source of debate, and micro managing the code will not help, rather hinder, it's objectivity.

When it comes to judging, in the cases of Russian judges, it will be interesting to plot their 'objectivity' against their known alliances.

 

[Edwin]

Do we have any news on Stage Three next week yet?

Shcherbakova, Tuktamysheva, Samodurova and Gulyakova are all supposed to be there.

What about the injured Medvedeva and Sinitsyna?

We still haven't seen Gubanova, Nugumanova, Tsibinova, Sakhanovich and Tarakanova.

Is there any chance we might see any of Khromykh, Valieva and Usacheva again?

Also, Konstantinova and Shulskaya might show up again?

Shulskaya is confirmed to be competing next week.

It is rumoured, Usachyova will too, and sending her makes sense, she has a medal chance, even against Shcherbakova if she has a bad competition. Usachyova vs the Sankt Peterburg skaters, that could be interesting, especially if all three throw triksels and perhaps a quad.

 

[Novalis]

Do we have any news on Stage Three next week yet?

Shcherbakova, Tuktamysheva, Samodurova and Gulyakova are all supposed to be there.

What about the injured Medvedeva and Sinitsyna?

We still haven't seen Gubanova, Nugumanova, Tsibinova, Sakhanovich and Tarakanova.

Is there any chance we might see any of Khromykh, Valieva and Usacheva again?

Also, Konstantinova and Shulskaya might show up again?

Kamila will be in the 5th stage next. Surely too early for Medvedeva. Haven't heard anything from Sinitsyna.

What I find very interesting now is the junior ladies: Samodelkina will be at 4th and 5th stage. Akatyeva has one to go. We still haven't seen Zhilina (she's age eligible right?) or Osokina or Petrosyan (she seems fit now in the dance video). And Berestovskaya has one to go. Interesting match-up's ahead, I would say.

 

[Edwin]

Kamila will be in the 5th stage next. Surely too early for Medvedeva. Haven't heard anything from Sinitsyna.

What I find very interesting now is the junior ladies: Samodelkina will be at 4th and 5th stage. Akatyeva has one to go. We still haven't seen Zhilina (she's age eligible right?) or Osokina or Petrosyan (she seems fit now in the dance video). And Berestovskaya has one to go. Interesting match-up's ahead, I would say.

The junior competition is even more interesting that the seniors. Lots of ultra-si, and some quite good, to superb even, skating in a large number of the top contenders.

 

[kmw227]

Kamila will be in the 5th stage next. Surely too early for Medvedeva. Haven't heard anything from Sinitsyna.

What I find very interesting now is the junior ladies: Samodelkina will be at 4th and 5th stage. Akatyeva has one to go. We still haven't seen Zhilina (she's age eligible right?) or Osokina or Petrosyan (she seems fit now in the dance video). And Berestovskaya has one to go. Interesting match-up's ahead, I would say.

I'm guessing Zhilina will be at 4 and 5. Rozanov and Aliona will already be there, so it makes sense for Veronika to be there too.

Muravyeva has one to go too; she'll probably be at 4 with Sasha and Mikhailov as well.

 

[flanker]

Do we have any news on Stage Three next week yet?

Shcherbakova, Tuktamysheva, Samodurova and Gulyakova are all supposed to be there.

What about the injured Medvedeva and Sinitsyna?

We still haven't seen Gubanova, Nugumanova, Tsibinova, Sakhanovich and Tarakanova.

Is there any chance we might see any of Khromykh, Valieva and Usacheva again?

Also, Konstantinova and Shulskaya might show up again?

Kamila will be in the 5th stage next. Surely too early for Medvedeva. Haven't heard anything from Sinitsyna.

What I find very interesting now is the junior ladies: Samodelkina will be at 4th and 5th stage. Akatyeva has one to go. We still haven't seen Zhilina (she's age eligible right?) or Osokina or Petrosyan (she seems fit now in the dance video). And Berestovskaya has one to go. Interesting match-up's ahead, I would say.

I truly doubt we will see Evgenia and Kseniia.

As for others, we saw Nugumanova at Panin-Kolomenkin Memorial, nearly in paralel with the 2nd stage of the Cup. Zhilina should be eligible, there were other 12 y.o. girls already in juniors. Petrosian was originally listed for the 2nd stage, but withdrew. I hope she will appear the next time. I suppose Sofia Akatieva will be at the 3rd stage to accompany Anna and Maiia in seniors like at the 1st stage.

 

[NadezhdaNadya]

But those are your rules. Why is your definition of being "judged fairly" being judged by rules that only exist in your head?

Since when does BV get reduced for a flat edge? "!" call does nothing to your BV. Excessive pre-rotation does not take 30% of your BV. You made numbers up in your head and then got mad that judges in real life don't apply those numbers?

Where did I say such things? I am talking hypothetically. Since I know that wrong edge means 30% less BV. What about excessive pre-rotation then? It should be deducted by 30% less BV too.

 

[plushyfan]

Do we have any news on Stage Three next week yet?

Shcherbakova, Tuktamysheva, Samodurova and Gulyakova are all supposed to be there.

What about the injured Medvedeva and Sinitsyna?

We still haven't seen Gubanova, Nugumanova, Tsibinova, Sakhanovich and Tarakanova.

Is there any chance we might see any of Khromykh, Valieva and Usacheva again?

Also, Konstantinova and Shulskaya might show up again?

Good questions!

 

[CanadianSkaterGuy]

Yes.

To me, "objective scoring" doesn't really matter, as the function of the judges is to come up with a ranking. This ranking should be as accurate as possible (and the elements should be called as accurately as possible), but I really don't care about "objective" scoring of elements and PCS. It's fun to discuss. But beyond the scope of a judge.

Actually, the function of the judges is to assess a skater as to what they put out there, not relative to a skater before them or a skater who has yet to skate.

If a skater was going to get 8.50 for performance should it be 9.00 if everyone bombed before them? Or should the judges go back and revise the 8.50 to 9.00 if everyone bombs after them?

Plenty of judges don’t “rank” skaters. They might give two skaters the same PCS scores or the same GOE on an element.

While bias and comparison is inevitable, skaters should ideally be assessed based on what they do, not based on how well or poorly their competitors skate. Hence the point of IJS.

 

[Skatesocs]

Actually, the function of the judges is to assess a skater as to what they put out there,

Which leads to...?

 

[Novalis]

Kamila will be in the 5th stage next. Surely too early for Medvedeva. Haven't heard anything from Sinitsyna.

What I find very interesting now is the junior ladies: Samodelkina will be at 4th and 5th stage. Akatyeva has one to go. We still haven't seen Zhilina (she's age eligible right?) or Osokina or Petrosyan (she seems fit now in the dance video). And Berestovskaya has one to go. Interesting match-up's ahead, I would say.

So, I was just listening to Liza Berestovskaya's interview and she said that she will be at Sochi for the third stage. It's just after the seven minute mark (I study Russian and can understand most of the stuff in this interview)

https://www.instagram.com/p/CGUD3_3oSb7/

 

[Alex65]

Is there any news about Alina Gorbacheva? She seems to be at the same age as Zhilina. Does she qualify for the Cup this season? I was very impressed with her last season, but I don't hear any news this year.

 

[Edwin]

Alina Gorbachyova has broken her leg and is only back on the ice for a week or so.
Her trainer still plans to compete in Stages 4 and 5 of Russian Cup.

She posted a picture and story on her IG Stories, but these are gone now.

 

[Amei]

Shulskaya is confirmed to be competing next week.

It is rumoured, Usachyova will too, and sending her makes sense, she has a medal chance, even against Shcherbakova if she has a bad competition. Usachyova vs the Sankt Peterburg skaters, that could be interesting, especially if all three throw triksels and perhaps a quad.

If I were a Russian ladies skater I would be pushing to try and to get to the 3rd cup event, at this point Shcherbakova looks a lock for gold as long as she doesn't completely bomb, but the rest of the podium is a total toss-up there's not exactly a deep field of consistent skaters that are going as of right now. Samodurova has issues UR her jumps and Tuktamysheva is a bit of a wild card yes she has the triple axel and has shown that she can land quads in practice but she doesn't fill out her programs for optimal scoring and its not like the triple axel is a definite that she'll land it and even if she does it doesn't guarantee her a great final placement.

 

[Edwin]

Usachyova is therefore well positioned to earn ranking points with a top three finish. And ranking points decide the starts in the Nationals.

Now, where is that FFKKR ranking list, or does everybody needs to maintain his/her own Excel?

 

[TripleAxelQueens3]

Rumors say Zhenya will skate at the fourth and fifth stage.

 

[TripleAxelQueens3]

Also, re Sasha's PCS. If she was constantly getting 34s internationally with her former presentation skills, then it absolutely makes no sense for her to only get 34 here, since she improved a lot. The 34 itself makes sense yes, but if you are to say (and I'm not sure if anyone is saying this, but just in case) Kamila deserves 37 because she improved, then Sasha deserves 34 or higher because she improved too.

 

[silveruskate]

Also, re Sasha's PCS. If she was constantly getting 34s internationally with her former presentation skills, then it absolutely makes no sense for her to only get 34 here, since she improved a lot. The 34 itself makes sense yes, but if you are to say (and I'm not sure if anyone is saying this, but just in case) Kamila deserves 37 because she improved, then Sasha deserves 34 or higher because she improved too.

Do you think 34 PCS was reasonable back then?

 

[CanadianSkaterGuy]

Which leads to...?

Them getting scores that place them relative to each other. But the function of the judges under IJS isn’t to “rank” the skaters but rather give them scores that are absolute and then the rankings happen as they happen.

 

[Edwin]

The Sankt Peterburg skaters (and trainers) have all passed their coronavirus test and are now in Novogorsk, according to TASS.

"2015 World Champion Yelizaveta Tuktamysheva, Sof'ya Samodurova, Anastasiya Gulyakova, the Bronze medalist of the 2018 World Championship in Milan, Mikhail Kolyada, Yevgeniy Semenenko and Gleb Lutfullin are in Novogorsk.

"Everyone's tests are in order, we've started training" Mishin told over the phone.