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What's the deal with guliakova? The FED propped her up at the Russian Cup Final in February and she was alternate for worlds and now she scores in the 180s. Damn. This makes no sense. Guliakova scored about 30 points lower today than when she won Russian Cup gold 8 months ago.Anna Shcherbakova won in Sochi, Dar'ya Usachyova - Silver medalist, Yelizaveta Tuktamysheva - Bronze
European Championships medalist Anna Shcherbakova became the winner of the third stage of the Russian Cup in Sochi, junior World Championship medalist Dar'ya Usachyova won Silver, World and European champion Yelizaveta Tuktamysheva - Bronze.
Commenting on the performances of Anna Shcherbakova and Dar'ya Usacheva, the coach of the Eteri Tutberidze group - Daniil Gleikhengauz said:
" The performances in Sochi were not perfect. Dasha skated very well in the short program, but made a mistake in the free program. As for Anya, in the short program we were very disappointed with the result. The cascade and not a quadruple jump had to be done, so Anya herself was so upset yesterday, after realising this. Today from the positive side: the first half of the free program was healthy with the set Anya showed. The quadruple flip is excellent for a big plus. In the second half, there were rough edges and small mistakes. But so far this is not the peak of form and there is still a lot of work ...
This all comes from a lack of competition. Because for girls this is only the second start. An athlete feels differently in both body and emotions when skating in training and in competitions. When you have a difficult jump, there is a huge surge of adrenaline, and due to this, the body begins to work in a different way, you can not control some moments, explained Daniil.
The quadruple flip, with which Anna Shcherbakova opened the program, turned out to be great in the free program, for a bonus.
Asking after the reason for this metamorphosis, Anya admitted that she had reconfigured herself: she jumped confidently in training and warm-up with a quadruple Flip. Two spins from her skating run were also performed for bonuses. And only the triple combination Lutz was left without a Rittberger. Anya then added a triple Toeloop to the Lutz at the end of her program, but this jump was not counted.
" Today I set myself up so: no matter what happens, I will go out and try to do my best, I will not allow myself to get upset, because in any case, if I did it this way, this is a reason to correct mistakes in training, and not to get upset at competitions. I was very much in the mood for a quad Flip. Since the last start, there have been advances in training, we even tried to complicate the program. But we decided to skate the same set at this start. Here I had the task of being confident in this jump and I coped with it. This is the only thing that allows me not to get upset today. All quadruple flips I managed both on the 6-minute rollout and at the skating run. This is a big plus. But, of course, I am upset about what happened later in the program. There was a mistake in a very unexpected place, on the spiral, after which I was a little confused. I jumped a cascade that one shouldn't jump. And in this part I am dissatisfied with myself, " said Anna.
Anna Shcherbakova scored 162.44 points for the free and 239.91 points in the sum of two programs confidently, outstripping her rivals. This is the second victory of the figure skater at the stages of the National Cup. Shcherbakova excelled at the first cup tournament in Syzran with a margin of 40 points from second place.
Another ward of Eteri Tutberidze, Dar'ya Usachyova (225.19), who was in the lead after the short program, confidently started the free program. She did everything, but at the end did not tighten the triple toe loop in a cascade with a triple flip.
" I am unhappy with today's skating run, because I made a gross mistake - I fell from the cascade. Of course, this is unforgivable. It means that we must continue to work. Before the test skates, I said that I really like the new program. I begin to understand it more, to get used to the image of Juliet. Now you need to dash off the program so that all the elements are performed cleanly, and emotions are transferred, " said Dar'ya.
Alexey Nikolaevich Mishin's student, the experienced Yelizaveta Tuktamysheva (213.26) had a chance to rise above the third place, which she occupied after the short program. Lisa perfectly and easily made a complex triple Axel, a cascade of the triple Lutz - tripe Toeloop, and then everything went according to an unplanned scenario, and Liza lost points due to her mistakes.
" It seemed to me that I concentrated very strongly on the first two elements. I thought it was the most important thing, and then everything will go fine, by experience. I lost my vigilance a little, but this should not happen. It turned out into these stupid, I think, mistakes for me. But this is the first start after a long break. The program has not yet been rolled out as we would like. Therefore, we need to work harder and work harder to avoid such minor mistakes, " said Lisa.
Liza recalled that they staged this program with Yuri Smekalov on Zoom during quarantine.
" It was a new experience. I think not only for me. I really like the program itself. It seems to me that in this new program I am new 'myself'. We worked hard on the choreography. Perhaps this is why the program is not broken in that way, because we spend a lot of time on changing hands, making clearer movements. It's not so easy to stage for a person who has been skating for almost 20 years, these kind of absolute
things that are not standard for her. We focused on changing the image. And now we need to work, because today's skating run was no good. By the next stage, I will already be in better shape, " added Lisa.
The fourth place in Sochi was taken by Sof'ya Samodurova (193.05), the fifth - Anastasiya Gulyakova (186.44).
European champion Sof'ya Samoderova had the first presentation of her new free program at a competition of this level. During the Open Test Skates, Sonya got a fever, and she was forced to withdraw on doctor's recommendation.
In Sochi, Sonya coped with her debut, did everything except the double Axel - Euler - triple Salchow cascade.
" I cannot say that I am satisfied. There were two rather gross mistakes. Step out in the short and on my "dupel" in the free. For me, a double Axel is the easiest and most confident jump, so I did not understand my mistake. Okay, I'll work. In fact, I really missed competitions ... I can't even speak ... Before the stage we had a training camp in Novogorsk, I was well prepared ..."
Sonya could not hold back her tears:
" I'm not crying because I was upset, it's just that I haven't had such sensations for a long time, adrenaline ... I really missed this. For many girls this is the second start, I have only the first, long-awaited one. But for the first time it's okay, " assured Sonya, saying that it will be better in the next start.
And Liza T needs to score more than 213 to make podiums. St Petersburg girls are like Rodney Dangerfield. They get no respect. For those who don't understand my humor Rodney Dangerfield was an American actor and comedian who always said I can't get no respect.
I'm disappointed for SS and Little Liza too. the good news is there always lovely to watch skate.
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He will watch hockey too.Is Russia going to be in the Olympics? If they are then Putin will watch. Probably only the figure skating of course.
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My thoughts:
Anna’s 4F looks super solid. Hopefully she retains this. Her skate was definitely not as good as in the first stage, she looked shaky. It reminded me of an instance where I wiped out mountain biking. I knew exactly what to do to get the last 1,000 feet down the mountain but the whole time I was shaky and wobbly. I could feel my feet on the pedals but I didn’t trust that they’d stay there. I turned but didn’t trust the turn. She looked like that— elements were (mostly) executed well but you could see the nerves in them, the way she seemed to jitter even in transitions. Her crossovers almost always match the music but didn’t in the first portion of the program here. I was thinking she looks like she’s about to forget her choreography. Which makes sense, I don’t think she expected to go into the program in second place.
Daria looked so upset after missing the combo but it wouldn’t have mattered score wise anyways. Seeing her so sad and then sitting in the kiss and cry alone made me feel bad for her but I suppose it would be prearranged that she is sitting there alone due to the starting order and that the full coaching staff was not present. As I’ve commented before, I find her boring. She is very textbook, but there is something lacking. The face shows emotion but it does not translate to the fingertips. Anya and Aliona have this quality, and to an extent Kamila when she is not wrought with nerves, but I find it largely missing from many skaters, including Dasha. Of course she is a lovely skater and visually pleasing to watch, but there is a severed cord between the program and her emotions which robs it of the feelings you get from watching the three aforementioned skaters.
Liza was Liza. I don’t know what more to comment. Mishin girls really need to work on maximizing their scoring potential. I don’t know if this is coaching style? Perhaps Mishin gives skating critique but does not know how to condition skaters to compete a full triple program that is backloaded to the maximum? Or he knows how but does not force his athletes into such work. Either way. I find the complaints about St. Petersburg skaters scoring lower than Moscow ones trite. Should the TT and AoP girls, with all 3-3 and 4-3/4-2combos and maximum possible backloading, really be getting the same scores as Mishin’s girls who don’t backloads their programs and often jump 3-2’s?
This however must be a relief for Anna and Daria, who have their spots in RusNats and plenty of time to correct the flaws in today’s skates. I didn’t like Daria’s dress last time around but seeing the program a second time in it, I actually quite like it. I also love the way she did her makeup. I find it really hard to use such colorful eyeshadows without looking like a hooker (forgive me for the indiscretion) but she looks very refined and it looks fantastic on her.
I won’t comment on the obvious technical issues with all of them (every skater was sloppy today) because that’s already been discussed and I don’t have anything else to add.
Anna’s 4F looks super solid. Hopefully she retains this. Her skate was definitely not as good as in the first stage, she looked shaky. It reminded me of an instance where I wiped out mountain biking. I knew exactly what to do to get the last 1,000 feet down the mountain but the whole time I was shaky and wobbly. I could feel my feet on the pedals but I didn’t trust that they’d stay there. I turned but didn’t trust the turn. She looked like that— elements were (mostly) executed well but you could see the nerves in them, the way she seemed to jitter even in transitions. Her crossovers almost always match the music but didn’t in the first portion of the program here. I was thinking she looks like she’s about to forget her choreography. Which makes sense, I don’t think she expected to go into the program in second place.
Daria looked so upset after missing the combo but it wouldn’t have mattered score wise anyways. Seeing her so sad and then sitting in the kiss and cry alone made me feel bad for her but I suppose it would be prearranged that she is sitting there alone due to the starting order and that the full coaching staff was not present. As I’ve commented before, I find her boring. She is very textbook, but there is something lacking. The face shows emotion but it does not translate to the fingertips. Anya and Aliona have this quality, and to an extent Kamila when she is not wrought with nerves, but I find it largely missing from many skaters, including Dasha. Of course she is a lovely skater and visually pleasing to watch, but there is a severed cord between the program and her emotions which robs it of the feelings you get from watching the three aforementioned skaters.
Liza was Liza. I don’t know what more to comment. Mishin girls really need to work on maximizing their scoring potential. I don’t know if this is coaching style? Perhaps Mishin gives skating critique but does not know how to condition skaters to compete a full triple program that is backloaded to the maximum? Or he knows how but does not force his athletes into such work. Either way. I find the complaints about St. Petersburg skaters scoring lower than Moscow ones trite. Should the TT and AoP girls, with all 3-3 and 4-3/4-2combos and maximum possible backloading, really be getting the same scores as Mishin’s girls who don’t backloads their programs and often jump 3-2’s?
This however must be a relief for Anna and Daria, who have their spots in RusNats and plenty of time to correct the flaws in today’s skates. I didn’t like Daria’s dress last time around but seeing the program a second time in it, I actually quite like it. I also love the way she did her makeup. I find it really hard to use such colorful eyeshadows without looking like a hooker (forgive me for the indiscretion) but she looks very refined and it looks fantastic on her.
I won’t comment on the obvious technical issues with all of them (every skater was sloppy today) because that’s already been discussed and I don’t have anything else to add.
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This isn't directed at you specifically but comments like this confuse me no end.
Like...do people honestly believe that Mishin sits at home coming up with ways to undermine his own skaters? That makes no sense whatsoever.
The easiest answer? 3A are hard just because you can do one doesn't mean you can do two in the same program and especially not in the second half.
Don't forget Medvedeva
Liza can't probably do euler with triples. Otherwise that layout makes no sense.
3A, 3lz-3T, 3F, 3lo // 2A-euler-3S, 3F-2T, 3lz would be a better layout.
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Guys.. please try to keep politics out of your posts. It's so divisive. I know that it's tempting and I'm often tempted too to get political but it makes the board really, really contentious.
There are places where it's impossible not to have politics in your answers (like about cancelling events because those decisions are made by politicians or for political reasons) but discussing Putin or Trump or Obama often leads to open warfare around here.
There are places where it's impossible not to have politics in your answers (like about cancelling events because those decisions are made by politicians or for political reasons) but discussing Putin or Trump or Obama often leads to open warfare around here.
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Of course not, it just means they have things to work on. For Liza, she has very good 3A and 3Lz, but she needs to work on learning and stabilizing combos so she can maximize her layout. And her spins also need work as she loses levels and her positions/speed aren't great. She doesn't have many transitions, either. All the skaters have things they need to work on as well as their own limitations. I'm sure Liza is working on these things, and Anna is working on her SS, but along with coaching and work being done, they skaters also have their own limitations and aren't robots. It's not really reasonable to blame a coach, unless they're not spending the time on them, which there is no indication of.
And for the last part, Liza lost more points on her spins (GOE, levels, not getting the bonuses) across both programs than she did on not doing the second 3A. Jumps are the highest scoring elements, but mistakes on other things add up as well.
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Run this through your online translator: https://www.sports.ru/tribuna/blogs/allresp/2847381.html
" Why does Tuktamysheva lose even to juniors? Yes, the judges don't believe in her, but Lisa is to blame"
and by extension those that design her program layout, devise her training schedule.
I had the impression she really went for it in her new free program, skating slowly and carefully to the best of her abilities, in a slow program specially designed to her. But it quickly fell apart, and went downhill fast. Notice the open mouth, the stony face, no emotional projection at all.
However, she said she will improve by the next stage.
And being an adult women with all kinds of different responsibilities and personal desires, it won't be easy to beat those conditioned 'little girls' with their maxed out programs.
And when 'little Anyuta, Kamilka and Dashka' will add their own triksels, they compete in the short program on equal difficulty and the deficiencies become even more pronounced.
And when Mishin proclaims " there were only minor errors " , oh well ...
Gulyakova and Samodurova are working on triksels too, so the race is on.
" Why does Tuktamysheva lose even to juniors? Yes, the judges don't believe in her, but Lisa is to blame"
and by extension those that design her program layout, devise her training schedule.
I had the impression she really went for it in her new free program, skating slowly and carefully to the best of her abilities, in a slow program specially designed to her. But it quickly fell apart, and went downhill fast. Notice the open mouth, the stony face, no emotional projection at all.
However, she said she will improve by the next stage.
And being an adult women with all kinds of different responsibilities and personal desires, it won't be easy to beat those conditioned 'little girls' with their maxed out programs.
And when 'little Anyuta, Kamilka and Dashka' will add their own triksels, they compete in the short program on equal difficulty and the deficiencies become even more pronounced.
And when Mishin proclaims " there were only minor errors " , oh well ...
Gulyakova and Samodurova are working on triksels too, so the race is on.
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You know, some forums are really getting more interesting than this one. Which until recently differed from others in an interesting and constructive discussion of figure skating with many different views on what is happening. With a respectful and friendly attitude towards athletes and their fans. It seems that this is all in the past here.
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And Guys.. you really need to take this down a few notches. Name calling, insulting people and attempting to provoke arguments is against the guidelines of the forum.
Please at least be civil and reasonable in your discourse. You can dislike a coach or skater or their comments without turning it into mudslinging.
Also it is not an excuse to say "So and so did this and so therefore I should be allowed to do whatever the heck I want". If you see a post that violates the rules please report it and do not respond to it. We do our best to try and keep this board a friendly place for everyone and this thread's level of toxicity drives people away.
Please at least be civil and reasonable in your discourse. You can dislike a coach or skater or their comments without turning it into mudslinging.
Also it is not an excuse to say "So and so did this and so therefore I should be allowed to do whatever the heck I want". If you see a post that violates the rules please report it and do not respond to it. We do our best to try and keep this board a friendly place for everyone and this thread's level of toxicity drives people away.
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I don’t think doing a 3A in the second half would be necessary. I also don’t think Mishin intentionally sabotages his skaters. I do think complaints towards Moscow girls are unwarranted because the Mishin team as a whole doesn’t maximize their base value. I get that this is difficult, and easier said than done. An example— Daria and Anna have two combos and a solo triple in the bonus portion of their program, Liza has one combo and two solo jumps. The gap here is so large it seems like the point difference is worthless but in major competitions where there’s points between skaters, this is super important.
I see this poor program layout with all Mishin girls which is why I brought up coaching methods. I don’t know his resources or training style, but it just seems odd to me that he doesn’t have one girl who can do a program that maximizes base value given that his school is so high level. And I could be wrong, it could have nothing to do with him, which is why I bring it up for discussion. No accusations or declarations here, just curious
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SOCHI, October 25. / TASS /. Russian figure skater Kamila Valiyeva will not be able to perform at the Moscow stage of the Grand Prix series, as she does not qualify for the tournament due to her age. Daniil Gleikhengauz, a coach in Eteri Tutberidze's group, told about this to journalists in Sochi.
"Kamila has switched to senior skating, but not yet completely - unfortunately we will not see her at the Grand Prix in Moscow, she does not pass the age limit," Gleikhengauz said. "We will be sad."
Valieva is 14 years old, she is the current junior champion of Russia and World Champion among juniors.
This season, the Grand Prix stages are held in the format of national competitions.
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We might think these young skaters are under enormous external pressure, but to themselves probably, any competition is a competition just like the previous one. And so it should be from the psychological point. You compete against yourself in the first place, zoning out your fellow contestants as best as possible. You compete for good scores and as little critique from your trainers as possible.
"Kamila has switched to senior skating, but not yet completely - unfortunately we will not see her at the Grand Prix in Moscow, she does not pass the age limit," Gleikhengauz said. "We will be sad."
Valieva is 14 years old, she is the current junior champion of Russia and World Champion among juniors.
This season, the Grand Prix stages are held in the format of national competitions.
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We might think these young skaters are under enormous external pressure, but to themselves probably, any competition is a competition just like the previous one. And so it should be from the psychological point. You compete against yourself in the first place, zoning out your fellow contestants as best as possible. You compete for good scores and as little critique from your trainers as possible.
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Anna always seems so level-headed. I like that she pays attention to what she does in the warmups and in competition; she can find small victories in landing her quads in the in warm-up and also pay attention to smaller mistakes in choreographic sequences. And I like the mindset that she can correct mistakes and work on them when she's training but also that there's no use being upset during the actual skate. This is consistent with her interviews when she was a junior. It sounds like a very healthy mindset and approach to a sport where there is so much competition, I wonder where she gets that from. This is probably why she can continue to perform at her best even after major errors and she never looks really nervous or devastated.
It's a huge contrast as a fan because Alina, another one of my favourites, is very emotional and you can always tell when things aren't going well both during the skate and afterwards; it affects her entire skate and she's devastated. I see the same with Alena, Daria, and even Kamila. It's a relief when I watch Anna skate because I'm just not as nervous watching her.
How is this news? Was it ever in doubt?
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I thought Liza and Anastasiia were going to be at the 5th stage, Sofia at the 4th. And Maiia will be at one of them too. And potentially Evgenia will be at both of them too. Stanislava is missing one too I think. And maybe we see Ksenia?
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