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Does anyone know the qualification system to RusNats? Are placements equivalent to a certain number of points or what?
 
He will watch hockey too.
I hope they get to go too.

But it seems like Russia is on the Olympic tightrope as to whether they go or not to both Olympics and whether they get to compete as Russian Federation or OAR something else.

I just hope Sports can somehow get back to normal in 2021. Then we can have a real figure skating season heading into the Olympics.
 
Does anyone know the qualification system to RusNats? Are placements equivalent to a certain number of points or what?
From what I understand, everyone goes to a max of two cup events and (like the Grand Prix in normal years) the placement is equated to a certain number of points, the total of which determines final standing. It looks like you need at least a top 5 finish in both to qualify to RusNats.
 
Guys.. please try to keep politics out of your posts. It's so divisive. I know that it's tempting and I'm often tempted too to get political but it makes the board really, really contentious.

There are places where it's impossible not to have politics in your answers (like about cancelling events because those decisions are made by politicians or for political reasons) but discussing Putin or Trump or Obama often leads to open warfare around here.
It's hard not to sneak something in once in awhile about politics here because so many people say this scoring is politically based.

If these somewhat minor stage events are as fiercely contested as they have been so far and as fans have been so up-and-down with the whole thing arguing and battling with each other more than the skaters do what's it going to be like leading up to the Olympic season when you have like six Super girls trying to make one team?

I feel for the second third and fourth tier Russinas who are very good. But the handwriting is on the wall. The kids coming up are all aiming to be number one. It's truly unbelievable and exciting but kind of sad to because if you haven't made it by 17 with the Russian ladies you're not going to. There are no Bradie Tennells and Mariah Bells with the Russian ladies. :(
 
How is this news? Was it ever in doubt?
I had some doubts too as to the motivation of the training staff. But it does show the ambition and confidence in Valiyeva.

We put this pressure on the athletes, but they themselves might think about it completely differently. A challenge to show what you're capable of, a change to get high on adrenaline, they are athletes, we are merely spectators and armchair critics.

A true competitive athlete looks forward towards every opportunity to compete. It is often the duty of their trainers to hold them back.

Seems Daniil Markovich gave a full interview to TASS, now I must find it.

From sparse quotes so far I have learned:

Valiyeva will compete her triksel this season.
Usachyova's is almost complete, it has good height but needs full completion of the rotations before entry and exit are worked out.
 
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How is this news? Was it ever in doubt?

Yeah i don't understand what they're trying to say here.

Too good for juniors perhaps? (although she didn't win her cup of russia event bombing the free)

A push for ISU to reduce the age requirement for seniors? A rush to get her into seniors cause she's so injured she is maybe gone in a flash?
 
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Will Eteri accompany Evgenia to Kazan for her first competition? Depending on if she competes. I know we won't see Daniil....maybe Dudakov will take her.

And with them not being eligible for Rostelecom, Daria and Kamila may compete for the first time ever with a 3A at RusNats? Especially Daria with possibly 3. Yikes.
 
How is this news? Was it ever in doubt?
Maybe with several Grand Prix events already cancelled, none of them counting for world standing/ranking or counting for minimum TES, and being essentially domestic competitions there were questions as to if juniors could compete.
 
It's hard not to sneak something in once in awhile about politics here because so many people say this scoring is politically based.

If these somewhat minor stage events are as fiercely contested as they have been so far and as fans have been so up-and-down with the whole thing arguing and battling with each other more than the skaters do what's it going to be like leading up to the Olympic season when you have like six Super girls trying to make one team?

I feel for the second third and fourth tier Russinas who are very good. But the handwriting is on the wall. The kids coming up are all aiming to be number one. It's truly unbelievable and exciting but kind of sad to because if you haven't made it by 17 with the Russian ladies you're not going to. There are no Bradie Tennells and Mariah Bells with the Russian ladies. :(
How is that sad that Russians encourage teen to do sports and compete on the highest level? Besides, teens are competing in both men’s and ladies, in various countries, and some of them remain in the sport. Americain male skating was stormed by teens who stayed, and Russia didn’t lose Medvedeva and Tuktamysheva, and America has its own Lui who lead nationally there, and only yesterday Shin, aged 16 won bronze. In both Korea and Japan, leading ladies also skate and win in their teens, so no, it’s not a Russian phenomenon. Russia has quite a statistical sample of ladies who skate competitively that we now see in the Cup, and the talent is the talent... I don’t understand how it is somehow more valuable if it takes 15 years to fully realize vs 10.
 
It's a huge contrast as a fan because Alina, another one of my favourites, is very emotional and you can always tell when things aren't going well both during the skate and afterwards; it affects her entire skate and she's devastated. I see the same with Alena, Daria, and even Kamila. It's a relief when I watch Anna skate because I'm just not as nervous watching her.
I agree in some cases....
But then again, there was that time when she missed her 1st attempt at a 3Lz-3Lo.
 
The kids coming up are all aiming to be number one. It's truly unbelievable and exciting but kind of sad to because if you haven't made it by 17 with the Russian ladies you're not going to. There are no Bradie Tennells and Mariah Bells with the Russian ladies. :(
And I think that Liza Tuktamysheva is precisely a type of russian Bradie or Mariah. We still have Evgenia, who is 20 already (21 soon), yes, injured now, but not without a chance to return after recovery. And of course Alina. Her intentions are unclear but I don't doubt she would be able to skate no less than on the level we saw at Vegas this weekend.
 
It's a huge contrast as a fan because Alina, another one of my favourites, is very emotional and you can always tell when things aren't going well both during the skate and afterwards; it affects her entire skate and she's devastated. I see the same with Alena, Daria, and even Kamila. It's a relief when I watch Anna skate because I'm just not as nervous watching her.
Not saying you're wrong, but when was the last time Anna failed a FS? She's used to falling on quads at times so I wouldn't think it would affect her. Last season she made almost all or all of her 4Lzes. Not to mention all her jumping passes are Lutzes or Flips, and when you're practicing for quads I doubt you're that worried about the triple. We compare that to Alina where her signature move is her 3Lz-3Lo that she does at the beginning. If she doesn't make that she might not even make the podium, whereas Anna has always banked one quad from the start.
 
And I think that Liza Tuktamysheva is precisely a type of russian Bradie or Mariah. We still have Evgenia, who is 20 already (21 soon), yes, injured now, but not without a chance to return after recovery. And of course Alina. Her intentions are unclear but I don't doubt she would be able to skate no less than on the level we saw at Vegas this weekend.

If Liza Tuktamysheva was american, they'd be so on board with her you don't even know.

Just look at how many articles they did for Mirai Nagasu attempting the triple axel at the Olympics, Liza does it every season even fairly consistently and fully rotated.

She is also the Ashley Wagner of the situation, consistently bringing results over all these years rather than 2-3 good seasons career and walk away from the rink. (or faking a comeback)

I think Russia has never really given credit to Tuktamysheva after 2015 Worlds, which btw even there let's not forget RusFed was Team Radionova.
 
How is that sad that Russians encourage teen to do sports and compete on the highest level? Besides, teens are competing in both men’s and ladies, in various countries, and some of them remain in the sport. Americain male skating was stormed by teens who stayed, and Russia didn’t lose Medvedeva and Tuktamysheva, and America has its own Lui who lead nationally there, and only yesterday Shin, aged 16 won bronze. In both Korea and Japan, leading ladies also skate and win in their teens, so no, it’s not a Russian phenomenon. Russia has quite a statistical sample of ladies who skate competitively that we now see in the Cup, and the talent is the talent... I don’t understand how it is somehow more valuable if it takes 15 years to fully realize vs 10.
Tuktamysheva and Medvedeva were both successful very young. Not that it is bad, but doesn't mean it isn't sad for skaters that their careers are decided so early. But also good in my opinion because they can just focus on other things.

But for 2026 Olympics you have:

Kostornaia 22
Trusova, Shcherbakova 21
Valieva, Usacheva 19
Akatieva, Samodelkina, Berestovskaya 18
Zhilina 17

All competing for 3 spots, and then there are 2 years worth of skaters I don't even know, to add to that. No wonder Kostornaia already decided she's retiring after 2022.
 
Tuktamysheva and Medvedeva were both successful very young. Not that it is bad, but doesn't mean it isn't sad for skaters that their careers are decided so early. But also good in my opinion because they can just focus on other things.

But for 2026 Olympics you have:

Kostornaia 22
Trusova, Shcherbakova 21
Valieva, Usacheva 19
Akatieva, Samodelkina, Berestovskaya 18
Zhilina 17

All competing for 3 spots, and then there are 2 years worth of skaters I don't even know, to add to that. No wonder Kostornaia already decided she's retiring after 2022.
Alena plans to stop competing after 2022, so she is not a contendor for 2026.
 
Tuktamysheva and Medvedeva were both successful very young. Not that it is bad, but doesn't mean it isn't sad for skaters that their careers are decided so early. But also good in my opinion because they can just focus on other things.

But for 2026 Olympics you have:

Kostornaia 22
Trusova, Shcherbakova 21
Valieva, Usacheva 19
Akatieva, Samodelkina, Berestovskaya 18
Zhilina 17

All competing for 3 spots, and then there are 2 years worth of skaters I don't even know, to add to that. No wonder Kostornaia already decided she's retiring after 2022.
Veronika's sister Alena who can jump 3A at 10 will be 15 - not sure about her exact birth date but she might be age eligible too. And don't write off Maiia Khromykh - she can fully (?) rotate a 4S in practice already.
 
Tuktamysheva and Medvedeva were both successful very young. Not that it is bad, but doesn't mean it isn't sad for skaters that their careers are decided so early. But also good in my opinion because they can just focus on other things.

But for 2026 Olympics you have:

Kostornaia 22
Trusova, Shcherbakova 21
Valieva, Usacheva 19
Akatieva, Samodelkina, Berestovskaya 18
Zhilina 17

All competing for 3 spots, and then there are 2 years worth of skaters I don't even know, to add to that. No wonder Kostornaia already decided she's retiring after 2022.

You're too optimistic believing all these skaters will last that long, most of them will be retired by then, while ironically Tuktamysheva might still be there competing with new girls obviously.
 
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