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For JGP spots next season there are usualy spots for about 8 skaters
Sofia A, Sofia S, Liza B, Adelya and Veronika Z should be a given.
I would not be surprised if Maya stays in junior another season but we will see.
That leaves 2-3 spots and at the moment its probably Osokina, Muravieva, Gorbachyova and Zakharova who are the top contenders for those spots. There is of course lots of time left until any decisions can be made and a lot of things can change until then
Yes, this is what I was writing about. I edited my post to make it more clear. I disagree about Maya though. I don't think that they'll keep anybody at juniors, because of the olympic season and also because why would they make Maya block the paths of some, quite frankly, more talented juniors getting some vital international experience.
 
Sonia's 4Ts have improved so much, they looked so light and easy, and she did rippon on both. Quite impressive, a well deserved win!
Good 2 skates from Alina, even claiming silver in the FS. She needs F-T or Lz-T going forward, but she did really well nevertheless.
Brave Nika went for 2 quads as well, and I assume her first 2A is meant to become 3A at some point. Shame about the mistakes here and there, but good job overall!

Not to speculate again, but Osokina seemed very hesitant on spins, hence I am still getting an impression of an injury.
 
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Yes, this is what I was writing about. I edited my post to make it more clear. I disagree about Maya though. I don't think that they'll keep anybody at juniors, because of the olympic season and also because why would they make Maya block the paths of some, quite frankly, more talented juniors getting some vital international experience.
Yeah, I don't think Maya will have any reason to stay in juniors after such good results among seniors at Russian Cup...
 
Yeah, I don't think Maya will have any reason to stay in juniors after such good results among seniors at Russian Cup...
My reason for thinking Maiia might stay in juniors is that if we look towards Gps there are 9 spots If we look at Russian Cup I would say Maiia is 7th behind

Sasha
Anna S
Kamilla
Daria
Aliona
Liza T

and then I expect Samodurovas and Medvedevas GP spots to be protected for next season if they continue. That would rank her 9th but Konstantinova and Sinitsyna might also be held above her. Alina is another one that might want to continue/ make a comeback and then she would be held above Maiia as well. So unless she takes a big step forward during the winter and spring a GP spot for her is rather perilious.

And if she doesnt get a GP I expect her to get a JGP as a consolation price.
 
So for junior Nationals I think it was said that the junior skaters that compete in the senior cup would get to Junior nats as well so that would be Valieva, Usasheva and Kromych. (Thechnicaly Frolova and Tarakanova have also skated junior last season but I dont think there is anything in it for them to go here and be beaten by the likes of Sofia A, Sofia S and Liza B).
I also expect RusFed to find a way to sub Sofia S in. I think she is part of the junior team (or is it novice) and it would be really unfortunate if one of the medal contenders missed the event due to a verry ill timed injury right before the qualification...
Then there is 14 spots left to be grabbed in the junior cup

Standings in the Junior cup:
1 Akatieva, 36pts , 462,28 tot score
2 Beretsovskaya, 34pts, 406,61
3 Zakharova, 30pts, 373,88
4 Ovchinnikova, 28pts, 377,28
5 Paramonova, 24pts, 362,49
6 Sviridenka, 20pts, 348,41
7 Petrosyan, 18pts, 207,18
8 Lagutova, 18pts, 349,11
9 Zhilina, 16pts, 197,45
10 Dimitrieva, 16pts, 339,93
11 Muravieva, 16pts, 199,10 (Withdrew today. Can she make it up at 5th stage?)
12 Gorbachyova, 14pts, 193,68
13 Sadkova, 14pts, 341,99
14 Osokina, 12pts, 182,28
15 Morosova, 12pts, 171,10
16 Liventseva, 8pts, 168,66
17 Latushkina, 8pts, 156,65
18 Lobodoba, 6pts, 168,36


Skaters marked in bold are the ones that only have one result and should have a chance to perform at the last stage. If we assume all of the ones that I marked bold competes at the last stage and scores there I expect the cut of to be at either 18pts or 16pts
Great list. But Sofia is blowing out the field!
 
It's doubtful whether Worlds will happen this season, but if they don't and they do take place next season, I doubt anyone would skip it after the Olympics. None of the "top" eligible skaters, Alena/Anna/Sasha/Kamila/Daria/Maiia have been to Worlds. And even if either Liza or Evgenia are sent to the Olympics, they haven't had a world title in years as well. I think it's safe to say whoever is sent to the Olympics will also go to Worlds, unless the fed decides to sub them out. This field is so tough that I don't think anyone will willingly give up their spot knowing how difficult it is to get.
Adelina 2014? The Federation kept her away from Worlds and she certainly could have medalled there even coming off an Olympic high and obviously there was never another worlds for her. That brings me to your point take the opportunity when you can.

At this point I just hope we have an Olympics on time in Beijing and worlds following that if you have to do it with limited audience or no audience so be it. Same with Europeans and worlds and 4 CC and all the international events this year. They all may be canceled because covid-19 is not going away or so it seems. I think they should do a European and worlds remotely if possible and just have the judges judge it by video. It will certainly be abnormal and many people won't like it but it's better than not having world's again.
 
Strange that judges did not really deduct for a turnout on Nika's combo, and she still got 2 bonus points for 4T-2T. Not sure whether it would've changed the outcome, but Alina then surely had a bigger chance for a silver overall. Regardless, considering she was injured, she can walk out of this competition proud of herself.
 
Sonia's 4Ts have improved so much, they looked so light and easy, and she did rippon on both. Quite impressive, a well deserved win!
Good 2 skates from Alina, even claiming silver in the FS. She needs F-T or Lz-T going forward, but she did really well nevertheless.
Brave Nika went for 2 quads as well, and I assume her first 2A is meant to become 3A at some point. Shame about the mistakes here and there, but good job overall!

Not to speculate again, but Osokina seemed very hesitant on spins, hence I am still getting an impression of an injury.
I was surprised Sofia won by such a huge score around 35 points over Veronika. Is Sofia already getting the Kamila treatment for scoring too high?

Both Sofia and Veronika are super special and have Superstar potentia. They are both sponsors dreams too. Let's just hope they get better and mature at a normal rate the next couple years because thev2026 Olympics are a long way off. Plus the age change that is finally coming is going to mean they won't be at Europeans and Worlds at 15 and 16. Sad. These two are going to be Juniors for like 4 or 5 years. smh. Kamila must realize how lucky she is skating in big events being eligible for the Olympics in 2022 at 15. Being born at the right time matters.
 
I honestly think it would be unfair for those who qualified through cup stages to be kicked out of Nationals, because of top skaters, who didn't manage to compete. The only solution I can see, if Rusfed adds them by expanding the list and keeping those who qualified in it. It would be such a shame for them not to go, when they went out to compete despite all the difficulties and still lost their hard-earned spots.
 
I was surprised Sofia won by such a huge score around 35 points over Veronika. Is Sofia already getting the Kamila treatment for scoring too high?

Both Sofia and Veronika are super special and have Superstar potentia. They are both sponsors dreams too. Let's just hope they get better and mature at a normal rate the next couple years because thev2026 Olympics are a long way off. Plus the age change that is finally coming is going to mean they won't be at Europeans and Worlds at 15 and 16. Sad. These two are going to be Juniors for like 4 or 5 years. smh. Kamila must realize how lucky she is skating in big events being eligible for the Olympics in 2022 at 15. Being born at the right time matters.
I like both Sofia and Veronika but Sofia ia almost a full year older and it shows. Veronika has great jumps and spinns but the skating and performance is far behind Sofia. She is much slower and has nowhere near as good edges in her StSq for example. Also Veronika fell on her 2nd 4T didnt perform 3A (either in short and free) and had her own problems with her combos in the 2nd half
 
Sonia's 4Ts have improved so much, they looked so light and easy, and she did rippon on both. Quite impressive, a well deserved win!
Good 2 skates from Alina, even claiming silver in the FS. She needs F-T or Lz-T going forward, but she did really well nevertheless.
Brave Nika went for 2 quads as well, and I assume her first 2A is meant to become 3A at some point. Shame about the mistakes here and there, but good job overall!

Not to speculate again, but Osokina seemed very hesitant on spins, hence I am still getting an impression of an injury.
Not only an injury, but I read somewhere they lost their ice-nowhere to practice. I assume now they have ice back. As far as Sofia, I've never seen anyone do quads and a triple axel with such ease. Looks more like a triple toe and double axel.
 
Oh, that's because Russian Alexandras are nicknamed "Sasha", same logic involved :biggrin:
Why Bob for Robert or Bill for William, though, while we're at it? :)
Sasha comes from the Russian habit of adding -sha as a diminutive to names. So Aleksandra -> Aleksasha -> Sasha.

Robert -> Rob and William -> Will are obvious. The consonant shifts from the soft "r" and "w" to the hard "b" because it's easier to pronounce.

Sofia has an added -ya according to Russian diminutive standards. I am not sure how the "ph" or "f" changes to "n".
 
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I like both Sofia and Veronika but Sofia ia almost a full year older and it shows. Veronika has great jumps and spinns but the skating and performance is far behind Sofia. She is much slower and has nowhere near as good edges in her StSq for example. Also Veronika fell on her 2nd 4T didnt perform 3A (either in short and free) and had her own problems with her combos in the 2nd half
Excellent analysis. I just think we should be amazed that so many junior and senior ladies are in as good a from as they are in considering they had disastrous offseasons for training thanks to covid.

And yes that 1 year age difference at 12 and 13 is big at that age. Not so much at 16 and 17.
 
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