2020-21 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating | Page 538 | Golden Skate

2020-21 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

Status
Not open for further replies.
Yes, I know it's a stretch to predict Shcherbakova as the winner at this point.

But, knowing Trusova, her competition nerves aren't the best, and I am not so sure she will hit that 3A just yet... And last year proved that a three quad program from Trusova wouldn't stand up to a two quad program by Shcherbakova.

But we'll see...I guess anything can happen. It's going to be exciting for sure. :D

Edit: Looking at the scores from Russian Cup (without bonuses) Trusova only beat Shcherbakova with 242.63 vs 240.40 (total 479.22 vs 476.31).

What competition were Trusova and Shcherbakova both at where Shcherbakova only did 2 quads? At the GPF, Europeans and Russian Nationals Shcherbakova did 3 quads yes at the GPF she fell on the 4F and at Europeans she had a fall on 1 and a downgrade on another but she did attempt 3 quads. And the only competition I can think of where Trusova did 3 quads was at Europeans which she didn't do those cleanly either having 2 falls and a downgrade on a quad.

Regarding comparing their Russian Cup scores, Shcherbakova's is with only 1 quad, I believe she has stated that she plans to have 2 quads at GP Russia, so as long as she rotates it even if she falls she's likely removed that point deficit or surpassed Trusova's score.

Question - does anyone know if the GP event will be scored by international judges or will it be domestic judges like at the Russian cup events?
 
Oh no did Sinitsyna withdraw from Rostelecom? I hope we'll at least be able to see her at fifth stage! I miss her unique programs and excellent skating skills so much...
It's strange that we haven't heard anything about the Snow Leopards... We haven't seen Panova or anyone from that group at any of the Cup stages.
At this point, I doubt we will see Ksenia at all this season :(
 
I don’t understand why 2axels plagued Serafima for so long and now that she’s pretty much just doing shows she can do them pretty frickin clean.


I’m seriously pressed 🤨
 
I wouldn't say 'run down' in the sense that they were prematurely worn out, because their issue was that they progressed much slower than the Moscow girls and/or developed technical problems with age that didn't get fixed (e.g. URs). In contrast I'd describe someone like Tsurskaya or Lipnitskaya as 'run down' because they retired due to injury and illness related to intense training. On the flip side, that lack of intense training might be a reason why Nugumanova etc. haven't had as much success. 'Underdeveloped' might be a better word to describe their problem.
Unless you mean 'run down' in the sense that they got run over/out-competed by other skaters?

I'm not sure about Lipnitskaya, but I don't remember Tsurskaya retiring because of injury? I remember her skating with Buyanova for a while before she eventually retired (probably because her chances of making the national team were low). That's being out-competed by other skaters, no? Of course, she has been injured in the past, but then so have many others including Liza. I'd say the majority of the Russian ladies, coached by Eteri or anyone else, retired because they were out-competed.
 
So, next week GP Russia! :party2:

My preliminary predictions:

1. Shcherbakova (she needs that second quad though)
2. Trusova
3. Tuktamysheva (!)
4. Kostornaia

As much as I'd love for Anna to win, I think it'll go to Sasha. Anna has the PCS advantage but Sasha has a multi-quad advantage in the free, and a 3A in the short. Her 3A looks very close so I expect it to be clean at Rostelecom. If she lands the 3A, she will have room for multiple falls in the free even if Anna has a second quad, and I expect her to have the flip combo too. Going clean with 2 quads is a huge ask for anyone, and Anna has had errors this season too, I really think she should take the 3Lz-3Lo out in the short. Anna really needs a 3A if she wants to compete with Sasha and Kamila without having to rely on them making multiple mistakes.

I actually think Alena will go above Liza. Yes she's shakier and doesn't have her 3As, but even with the mistakes she had (not just the step out and botched biellman but also her levels on the spins and steps) she was only about 20 points below Sasha with her 3A and multiple quads. I expect her to fix the spins and the step sequence to a level 4, which will increase her scores if she performs like her cup event, and even more if she doesn't have the step out. Liza's PCS are close to Sasha's and she doesn't have all her quads so I think it'll be quite close.
 
Thrre are few meetings planned this season for TRU and SCHER. The first one is just in a week.

A clear dominance of one means a total doom for another. But I'd bet on some kind of draw...
 
As much as I'd love for Anna to win, I think it'll go to Sasha. Anna has the PCS advantage but Sasha has a multi-quad advantage in the free, and a 3A in the short. Her 3A looks very close so I expect it to be clean at Rostelecom. If she lands the 3A, she will have room for multiple falls in the free even if Anna has a second quad, and I expect her to have the flip combo too. Going clean with 2 quads is a huge ask for anyone, and Anna has had errors this season too, I really think she should take the 3Lz-3Lo out in the short. Anna really needs a 3A if she wants to compete with Sasha and Kamila without having to rely on them making multiple mistakes.

I actually think Alena will go above Liza. Yes she's shakier and doesn't have her 3As, but even with the mistakes she had (not just the step out and botched biellman but also her levels on the spins and steps) she was only about 20 points below Sasha with her 3A and multiple quads. I expect her to fix the spins and the step sequence to a level 4, which will increase her scores if she performs like her cup event, and even more if she doesn't have the step out. Liza's PCS are close to Sasha's and she doesn't have all her quads so I think it'll be quite close.

I like the pace Shcherbakova is taking at the moment. She is clearly dealing with growth spurt and stamina issues but not forcing the quads if it is not 100% ready is going to be beneficial in the long run. Trusova will definitely beat her if she only jump with one quad but she just needs to take it in the chin and just skate clean. The same principle applies to Kostarnaia. it will sting for both now being held back jump wise but in the grand scheme of things Rostelecom Cup result doesnt matter. Goal should be get healthy and conditioned because come Nationals in december that is where results matter.
 
Question - does anyone know if the GP event will be scored by international judges or will it be domestic judges like at the Russian cup events?
International judges and local skaters seems crazy to me.
The judges can travel and work securely while the skaters don't?
But welll... if they can call grand prix some competition where the participation is limited by passport there is no limit to creativity
 
Question - does anyone know if the GP event will be scored by international judges or will it be domestic judges like at the Russian cup events?
Most likely only domestic coaches. The ISU said before the GP started that this is the reason why scores won't count,so I assume every competition will have domestic judges.
 
International judges and local skaters seems crazy to me.
The judges can travel and work securely while the skaters don't?
But welll... if they can call grand prix some competition where the participation is limited by passport there is no limit to creativity
I'm pretty sure it'll be Russian judges or those who can get to Russia without much issue. At Skate America they were all US people and at Cup of China they were all Chinese (with one or two from Hong Kong, I think).
 
I agree she is. But Anna is super tiny, Sofia is probably more tiny than Alina or Zhenya were in her age etc. It's not a critique of her and I should add that the other things can come later. See it with Daria Usacheva, her performing qualities came later than Kamila's, but now she's not far behind, if we can even talk about who is behind who, because they of course are all individuals and they are all different as Brian would say.
Anna's not that tiny. She's not tall or anything, but Anna's quite a bit taller than Tuktamysheva for example, who's listed at 157cm(See their podium photo from a couple weeks ago). Veronika Zhilina is very very tiny, even for her age. Far smaller than Akatieva was a year ago.

Daria Usacheva's performing qualities definitely are far behind Kamila Valieva's. And it's definitely possible to talk about who's behind who. Individuals can still be ranked. And well, that sort of is the point of this sport.
Oh no did Sinitsyna withdraw from Rostelecom? I hope we'll at least be able to see her at fifth stage! I miss her unique programs and excellent skating skills so much...
As the season started my prediction was that she'll not be skating in any competitions this season. The communication by them has been a lot more optimistic than that but I have never really expected them to go through with it. I guess we'll see whether she actually skates in any competitions in the spring, though I doubt it.
As much as I'd love for Anna to win, I think it'll go to Sasha. Anna has the PCS advantage but Sasha has a multi-quad advantage in the free, and a 3A in the short. Her 3A looks very close so I expect it to be clean at Rostelecom. If she lands the 3A, she will have room for multiple falls in the free even if Anna has a second quad, and I expect her to have the flip combo too. Going clean with 2 quads is a huge ask for anyone, and Anna has had errors this season too, I really think she should take the 3Lz-3Lo out in the short. Anna really needs a 3A if she wants to compete with Sasha and Kamila without having to rely on them making multiple mistakes.

I actually think Alena will go above Liza. Yes she's shakier and doesn't have her 3As, but even with the mistakes she had (not just the step out and botched biellman but also her levels on the spins and steps) she was only about 20 points below Sasha with her 3A and multiple quads. I expect her to fix the spins and the step sequence to a level 4, which will increase her scores if she performs like her cup event, and even more if she doesn't have the step out. Liza's PCS are close to Sasha's and she doesn't have all her quads so I think it'll be quite close.
As always, it's out of Anna's hands, she can just do her best but she can't affect the outcome at all, if Trusova doesn't fail she wins.

Interestingly enough, that's the exact scenario where Anna's lately had the advantage over Trusova, with Trusova's nerves getting the best of her. Anna's also been very strong in domestic competitions, though whether we consider Rostelecom cup to be one is up for debate...
 
Last edited:
Nothing like a good chunk of Anna underestimating posts in the morning. Well established tradition in this thread... keep it going... :cool:
The more Anna is underestimated, the higher probability is she will succeed (similarly to Alina), so "let it snow, let it snow, let it snow" :rock:

Though it seems that unless something truly unexpected happens the first two spots will be Sasha and Anna, no matter the final order.
 
Oh total OT, but it's just so cool to see Ito doing that tuck jump out of her triple-triple. We recently saw that with Jason Brown... In 2020 :laugh: she was so ahead of her time!
What is a tuck jump?
I think this is the correct three. Even with the second quad for Shcherbakova though, I think she's going to be second. I expect Trusova to land that SP triple axel, and then limit herself to three quads in the LP to go clean and win.
Why do you think that? I think she’ll jump 4 quads whatever her short result is. A bit strange if she goes back to three when her strategy is jumping five in the future.

My prediction
1 Trusova
2 Shcherbakova
3 Kostornaia

Can’t see Kostornaia not skating much better than she did at stage 4. I’m pretty sure the ’3A’ will dominate Russian senior ladies this season like the last.
 
What is a tuck jump?

Why do you think that? I think she’ll jump 4 quads whatever her short result is. A bit strange if she goes back to three when her strategy is jumping five in the future.

My prediction
1 Trusova
2 Shcherbakova
3 Kostornaia

Can’t see Kostornaia not skating much better than she did at stage 4. I’m pretty sure the ’3A’ will dominate Russian senior ladies this season like the last.
This I find the likeliest outcome at Rostelecom. But I'm going to be rooting for #TeamAnna in this one!
 
Between these three-how can anything ever be predicted? But that is what makes their competition exciting. Any one of the three can win on any given day. A week later, another one will win. My heart is always with Trusova, mainly because she is so fearless and gutsy. But any of the three have an equal chance to win in any competition in which they skate together.
 
Here's an explanation specifically for you though: "oh no people are having personal opinions now 😱😱😱😱😱😱😱. Disturbing! They shouldn't differ from ME!".
249096.jpg
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top