2020-21 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[Paulipau]

That's a totally wonky statistic à la logical fallacy and I don't find it insane at all.
Yeah only 200 out of the entire world population have jumped a quad...but not the entire world population trains to be a Figure Skater ... and the very few people in the world who ever figure skate at all in their lives, the vast majority don't even train to go elite.
If you had the whole world trying for a quad as a career you would have thousands and thousands of them.
In world level men's skating they are considered standard now and we already need more than two hands to count all the ladies who have jumped them.
It's like saying "OMG so few people in the world can run 10.000m at the Olympics" - well yeah cause almost nobody in the world trains for that since being a kid.

Even if you only count only the Elite figure skaters and the percantage of them that lands quads consistent, still freaking impressive. No need to be over intelectual I think.

 

[macy]

Even if you only count only the Elite figure skaters and the percantage of them that lands quads consistent, still freaking impressive. No need to be over intelectual I think.

to put this into some sort of perspective, in 2018 the number of skaters at the US Championships at all 5 levels was 376. There were 203,023 USFSA members in 2018. do the math and 0.0018% of USFSA skaters made it to nationals- not medalling, not making it to international events, just competing there.

11 skaters (all senior men) attempted quads at nationals that year which counts for 0.00005% of all USFSA members.

 

[Minz]

to put this into some sort of perspective, in 2018 the number of skaters at the US Championships at all 5 levels was 376. There were 203,023 USFSA members in 2018. do the math and 0.0018% of USFSA skaters made it to nationals- not medalling, not making it to international events, just competing there.

11 skaters (all senior men) attempted quads at nationals that year which counts for 0.00005% of all USFSA members.

Then you add in the stats for Russia, Japan, Canada, oh and don’t forget like all of Europe, and 50 other countries.. and there you go. Again.. not medaling, just competing.

 

[Tonight's the Night]

Charming. I was already admiring her 2A she landed during the SP at that competition.

It's funny, I just realized something when I clicked on Flanker's link to watch Sadkova's axel again. She jumps it during this line from the Florence song that goes "big enough to hold your love..." I know that there's all this theological content there too and I don't want to dismiss that, but when I see Sadkova jump the 2A and the line is "big enough" I can't help thinking: "big enough to hold ... three and a half rotations." And then I sing that to the melody and it gets even more ridiculous.

 

[Anya00]

From some Instagram posts it appears both Sasha and Veronika have switched boots (Veronika's now wearing the tan Risports and Sasha's now wearing Edea pianos?)

 

[katymay]

I think Trusova main problem is mentality rather than technique. In the practice she landed 5 quads program like nothing.

Yes, except she frequently walks through the rest of the program and just does the jumps. The funny thing is, other skaters do everything in a run through except the jumps, Sasha just does the jumps. But, other elements are tiring, so...still need some huge conditioning to get to a five quad level. (With spins, StepSeq, etc. etc.) Still she seemed impressed at how Nathan was able to pace himself and get all the quads done, so not surprised she wants the same ability.

 

[starlight97]

i think you're forgetting how small of a percentage of skaters make it to elite status alone, outside of even landing quads. most competitive skaters don't make it to nationals at any level here in the US. i'd even go as far as saying most don't get past double axels or early triples, many never land a double axel at all even if they are skating at the competitive level. 90% of my competitors including myself quit at the point of learning a 2A and early triples.

being you are the same poster who made the assumption an amateur level skater doing 2 sessions per week can land triples, i can't say i'm surprised by this comment at all.

I once said the exact opposite of what you just quoted me as here. That they in fact cannot, as some sentence in a post about why amateur skaters are not under the same physical and psychological stress an elite skater on the Olympic podium is.
I understand that you may become personally offended as a appearant former amateur skater yourself by the topic that that was about, so feel free to come up with some snarky remarks, that's all normal on here, but please quote me correctly if you do.

About the actual topic: I say it doesn't make sense to go "only a handful people of the world population of 9 billion can jump a quad, insanity". Most people don't try to, don't even skate ever.
Of course "among professional skaters not many jump quads" is true.
And what a meaningless topic btw, I simply made a remark that the comparison didn't make sense to me, the end

 

[Dawn825]

If Sasha was moving to America full time to train with Artunian, this would be exciting news. Him giving her a few lessons while on holiday is unlikely to impact her career trajectory in any significant way.

 

[soccerjc77]

Any rumour or any possibility to talk to Eteri to come back to Girl on the ball for the Olympic for Kamila Valieva : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEBZiI6IWAg

It's my dream that this masterpiece go to the Olympic

 

[Amei]

Any rumour or any possibility to talk to Eteri to come back to Girl on the ball for the Olympic for Kamila Valieva : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEBZiI6IWAg

It's my dream that this masterpiece go to the Olympic

Hopefully not, the program was already used for 2 years. I think it just has to do with having programs for the shows, she's not got a lot of programs to select from, she's repeated a lot:

Year	SP	FS	Exhibition
2018-2019	Girl on the ball	Spartacus	Girl on the ball
2019-2020	Girl on the ball	Exogenesis	Storm; Spartacus
2020-2021	Storm	Bolero	Exogenesis, Girl on ball

 

[LiamForeman]

I just saw this was posted Kamila doing a 4S: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeXk_5YzCSE

I think Kamila is all set for the Olympics. The 4toe, 4sal, and 3axel are so easy for her. Stick with that, please!!! A SP with a 3axel, and a LP with 4toe-2toe, 4toe, 3axel, 4sal/// 3lutz-3toe, 3flip--eu--3sal, 3lutz would be unbeatable. Just keeping perfecting what you already have!!! No quad lutz or flip attempts!

I've also seen her practicing 3lutz-3LOOP combos. That could be another way for Kamila to gain a further edge? Thinking about it, a 3flip-3loop combo would be best imo. That could be her combo for the SP and in the LP with a 4toe-3toe, 3lutz-eu-3sal. I wonder what the BV for those layouts would be.... seems impossible to beat, with the rest of her skating, spins, GOE.

 

[Pale]

I just saw this was posted Kamila doing a 4S: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeXk_5YzCSE

I think Kamila is all set for the Olympics. The 4toe, 4sal, and 3axel are so easy for her. Stick with that, please!!! A SP with a 3axel, and a LP with 4toe-2toe, 4toe, 3axel, 4sal/// 3lutz-3toe, 3flip--eu--3sal, 3lutz would be unbeatable. Just keeping perfecting what you already have!!! No quad lutz or flip attempts!

I've also seen her practicing 3lutz-3LOOP combos. That could be another way for Kamila to gain a further edge? Thinking about it, a 3flip-3loop combo would be best imo. That could be her combo for the SP and in the LP with a 4toe-3toe, 3lutz-eu-3sal. I wonder what the BV for those layouts would be.... seems impossible to beat, with the rest of her skating, spins, GOE.

I think loop combos is not a good strategy for her. The risk is too damn high. For two years she jumps 4-2 and no loop combo in competitions. Any mistake will significantly damage her not only on TES but also on PCS. And that is the most important part, in Olympics i expect her PCS rise to the top. You don't want to lose it.
Unlike Trusova, Kamila needs to skate clean. Just keep her consistent and she is untouchable.

 

[kolyadafan2002]

I think Alina gets a good reputation for skating skills because she has some pretty iconic step sequences and skating skills and good step sequences are associated. So while I agree with you that they aren’t the best, I guess I understand why a lot of people look at her performances and say “BEST SKATING SKILLS EVER”

For me even she pales in comparison to Carolina Kostner. But then again I think Kostner had the most beautiful skating of all.

In terms of Russian Ladies, all of them seem to have "decent" SS (Trusova lakes other categories but her basic skating is decent relative to other countries).
In general I might not know of the skaters with the best SS as chances are they can't compete with the technical repitour that the top russian ladies carry.

 

[brakes]

Great performance by Anya in SP!
Well deserved personal record and PCS worth reigning World Champion.

 

[JazzUp]

The Dude as you've never seen him before:

 

[Greengemmonster]

Go Anna!!!! That was beautiful!!!!!!!!!

 

[chasingneverland]

I just saw this was posted Kamila doing a 4S: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeXk_5YzCSE

I think Kamila is all set for the Olympics. The 4toe, 4sal, and 3axel are so easy for her. Stick with that, please!!! A SP with a 3axel, and a LP with 4toe-2toe, 4toe, 3axel, 4sal/// 3lutz-3toe, 3flip--eu--3sal, 3lutz would be unbeatable. Just keeping perfecting what you already have!!! No quad lutz or flip attempts!

I've also seen her practicing 3lutz-3LOOP combos. That could be another way for Kamila to gain a further edge? Thinking about it, a 3flip-3loop combo would be best imo. That could be her combo for the SP and in the LP with a 4toe-3toe, 3lutz-eu-3sal. I wonder what the BV for those layouts would be.... seems impossible to beat, with the rest of her skating, spins, GOE.

All the Eteri girls practice 3Lz+3Lo combos. It just has to be consistent.

The advantage of a 3Lo combo is it allows her to do a 4T+3T. The issue is that if she's not consistent with the +Lo she loses the combo and then it's worth less than her original layout. It isn't worth it in the SP at all though.

 

[brakes]

Go Anna!!!! That was beautiful!!!!!!!!!

I've been always thinking this SP can't get any better artistically, but she just keeps perfecting it.

 

[Greengemmonster]

I've been always thinking this SP can't get any better artistically, but she just keeps perfecting it.

haha I came back in here to say I've watched it several times and she doesn't need to skate until she's 30 for "artistry"

Methinks the artistry is there in spades already!!!!!

 

[Colonel Green]

Liza was as smooth there are she's ever been.

Which superstitiously makes me worried given what a rollercoaster her career has been.