2020-21 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[Scott512]

Where did you find this out?

Sorry about that I should have said my Russian national team.

 

[ELEk3k]

11 ladies fulfilled the criteria for the Russian National Team for the Olympic season - how and when it will be announced?

11 ladies fulfilled the criteria for the Russian National Team for the Olympic season - how and when it will be announced?

Russian Figure Skating Federation will soon make a difficult choice for the upcoming season - 6 figure skaters will be picked for the main team and three more skaters will be picked for the reserve team.
• The list of the Russian national team for the new season is an official document of the Russian Figure Skating Federation (FFKR) and the Ministry of Sports. It includes athletes who will have the right to represent Russia at international tournaments. Not a single skater outside the list will be able to represent the Russian team - it is simply impossible to assign him/her any of the main starts (European Championship, World Cup, Olympics).
Besides the status, being on the team also means getting personal funding: fees, equipment, ice - most of the expenses of the team members are covered by the Sports Training Center (CSP), financed from the state budget.
• The lists are formed by the federation based on the results of performances in the last season at specific official tournaments: for figure skating, these are the World and European Championships, Grand Prix series, the Russian Championships and the Russian Cup - the details will be a little lower;
• FFKR has to announce the members of the national team by May 10, and the Ministry of Sports has to approve of the list by June 1.
The main team can consist of 6 members - double the maximum application quota for the World Championship (which is three skaters) + one reserve team with 3 members (and twice as many in pairs and ice dance disciplines).
• The list can be changed during the season, but without breaking the amount of the skaters - to add a new skater, you must first free up space by excluding someone.
It is clear that the main mystery of the upcoming season is the composition of the women's team. Not only for the Olympics - it won't be annouced until the 2022, but for the entire season.
The competitions where you can qualify for the national team for the next season (based on the criteria of the Ministry of Sports):
• World Championship (places from 1st to 15th);
• stages of the Grand Prix (places from 1 to 8);
• Russian Championships (places from 1 to 6);
• Russian Cup - sum of stages or final (places from 1 to 5);
• Russian Championships among juniors (places from 1 to 6).
There are also the Olympics and the European Championships, but they weren't held the previous season.
The adult criteria for getting into the national team were fulfilled at once by 11 skaters.
It's not known which competition is more important for getting into the national team, since the competitions have not been prioritized.
The federation has the right to include any adult skater in the national team who has fulfilled the required standard at least at one start (however, skaters were included in the team without fulfilling the required standards in the past).
It is obvious that half of the main team is already known: Anna Shcherbakova, Elizaveta Tuktamysheva and Alexandra Trusova with World Championship medals cannot be left out from the national team.
By the way, they met almost all the criteria: Tuktamysheva lacked getting into the top six at the Russian Championship, Trusova and Shcherbakova missed the Russian Cup final (but entered the top 5 in terms of the sum of stages), and Anna skipped the Rostelecom Cup.
The results from the Russian Championships are next in the importance - for example, after the season 2018/19, the juniors Trusova, Kostornaya and Shcherbakova, who swept the podium at the senior championships in Saransk-2019, were immediately selected for the main team.
So this season, despite the fact that juniors did not yet have the formal right to participate in adult tournaments, their results in the championship and the Cup of Russia are the official pass to the adult team for the Olympic season.
Kamila Valieva's silver medal at the Russian Championships 2021 will be enough for her to get spot at the main team, according to the standards.
Then there are only two spots left at the main team.
First, let's just list the skaters who have fulfilled the adult criteria - one or more:
1) Aliona Kostornaya - 2nd place at the Moscow stage of the Grand Prix;
2) Anastasia Gulyakova - 3rd place at the Moscow stage of the Grand Prix;
3) Maya Khromykh - 2nd place in the Russian Cup final, 5th place in the Russian Championship;
4) Daria Usacheva - 3rd place in the final of the Cup of Russia, 4th place in the championship of Russia, 4th place in the overall standings of the Cup of Russia;
5) Elizaveta Nugumanova - 5th place at the Moscow Grand Prix stage, 6th place at the Russian Championship
6) Sofya Samodurova - 7th place at the Moscow stage of the Grand Prix;
7) Anna Frolova - 5th place in the final of the Cup of Russia, 5th place in the overall standings of the Cup of Russia.
The main contenders fot the two spots will be Kostornaya, Khromykh, Usacheva. Here, the federation can even take advantage of a lifehack, completely giving the right to decide who will be a part of the team to Eteri Tutberidze and her team.
But getting into the reserve team is also not certain - after all, theoretically, Alina Zagitova and Evgenia Medvedeva can break into the list: even despite skipping the whole season, the federation can use “the decision of the coaching council”.
True, the last time they used it before the 2017/18 season was to include Yulia Lipnitskaya and Adelina Sotnikova in the team with no results at all - it turned out to be a bad choice (before that, in the same way, Evgeni Plushenko was listed in the national team for three seasons) and it is unlikely for the federation to make such a choice again, especially now. Moreover, neither Medvedeva nor Zagitova have yet announced their plans for the Olympic season.
There is one more option for the federation - it, for example, was used before the 2019/20 season, taking one quota from the guys for the girls. Then, only five men and seven girls were chosen for the main team. Back then, Trusova, Shcherbakova and Kostornaya were entering the senior level, which meant that one of the prizers of the World Championship, Europe or Russia would have to be removed from the team.

https://www.another site.com/r/Figu...adies_fulfilled_the_criteria_for_the_russian/

 

[Scott512]

Why is there a competition going on in Saint Petersburg when the season is over?

 

[Novalis]

Why is there a competition going on in Saint Petersburg when the season is over?

Oh there's going to be even more competitions:

https://www.goldenskate.com/event/2021-egna-spring-trophy/

 

[drivingmissdaisy]

The competitions where you can qualify for the national team for the next season (based on the criteria of the Ministry of Sports):
• World Championship (places from 1st to 15th);
• Russian Championships (places from 1 to 6);

It's interesting that, for the Russian women who have to compete against the talented juniors at home, a high placement at Nationals is harder to achieve than at Worlds. Liza's WSM score wasn't even within 20 points of the Nationals podium.

 

[Scott512]

Oh there's going to be even more competitions:

https://www.goldenskate.com/event/2021-egna-spring-trophy/

Stasya is skating in St. Petersburg. Why arent the Nastyas or Ksenia? Gubanova and Ksenia desperately need live competition even if it's not the best competition. They each only skated one competition this past season. Not good.

 

[Minz]

Liza's WSM score wasn't even within 20 points of the Nationals podium.

Let’s honest, if the Russian Nationals scores (at least in the ladies) were valid as records, like every single WR would have been broken. Also, the level of skating at Worlds was much lower then what we saw at Russian Nationals.

 

[Tonight's the Night]

What if someone who wasn't on the national team (or even an alternate) started performing really well at other events? So let's say some Russian lady -- let's call her, totally randomly, Xenia Zinitsyna -- went to some Challenger events and started landing quads all over the place and getting huge PCS. Would there be some way to get her to the Olympics? Remember this is just a theoretical exercise. Totally not referring to an actual skater.

 

[chasingneverland]

How are Maiia and Zhenya affected by not being in the National team? They have to finance international competitions themselves?

And how does it compare to what Jrs get from RusFed?

They still get funding. Just less of it.

 

[Novalis]

Stasya is skating in St. Petersburg. Why arent the Nastyas or Ksenia? Gubanova and Ksenia desperately need live competition even if it's not the best competition. They each only skated one competition this past season. Not good.

Ksenia I think was listed, but had to withdraw.

Stasya had a nightmare SP today. Two invalid jump elements and all jumps popped. She earned from the valid combo (and all jumps in total) a whopping 0.90 points.

 

[Amei]

What if someone who wasn't on the national team (or even an alternate) started performing really well at other events? So let's say some Russian lady -- let's call her, totally randomly, Xenia Zinitsyna -- went to some Challenger events and started landing quads all over the place and getting huge PCS. Would there be some way to get her to the Olympics? Remember this is just a theoretical exercise. Totally not referring to an actual skater.

Based on what ELEK3k posted its possible to add someone but that means someone else pulled off so its not just someone does extremely well but someone else likely needs to do quite poorly

 

[chasingneverland]

It's interesting that, for the Russian women who have to compete against the talented juniors at home, a high placement at Nationals is harder to achieve than at Worlds. Liza's WSM score wasn't even within 20 points of the Nationals podium.

Yes, but there's also National inflation as well..

 

[chasingneverland]

What if someone who wasn't on the national team (or even an alternate) started performing really well at other events? So let's say some Russian lady -- let's call her, totally randomly, Xenia Zinitsyna -- went to some Challenger events and started landing quads all over the place and getting huge PCS. Would there be some way to get her to the Olympics? Remember this is just a theoretical exercise. Totally not referring to an actual skater.

You don't have to be on the National team to be named to the Olympics - the National team just determines funding allocations (and to some extent support). And yes, they could add her to the national team but then they would have to kick someone else off so she would need someone else to do badly.

That's kinda why I'm saying it's not just potential, the lower ranked/"B" skaters NEED to OUTSKATE higher ranked skaters and it CAN'T be close. It also can't be that they're outskating reserve skaters anyway. They NEED to OUTSKATE someone like Anna, Sasha, Kamila, Aliona, etc.

 

[chasingneverland]

https://www.another site.com/r/Figu...adies_fulfilled_the_criteria_for_the_russian/

Didn't we already know this though??

Like we talked about getting a spot from the men, I'm not sure they will. It's a decision.

And all the names we mentioned including the reserves?

 

[brakes]

What if someone who wasn't on the national team (or even an alternate) started performing really well at other events? So let's say some Russian lady -- let's call her, totally randomly, Xenia Zinitsyna -- went to some Challenger events and started landing quads all over the place and getting huge PCS. Would there be some way to get her to the Olympics? Remember this is just a theoretical exercise. Totally not referring to an actual skater.

The NT list is mainly about funding for next season- any skater outside the list can make it to Olympics, if she starts winning.

 

[Tonight's the Night]

You don't have to be on the National team to be named to the Olympics - the National team just determines funding allocations (and to some extent support).

The NT list is mainly about funding for next season- any skater outside the list can make it to Olympics, if she starts winning.

Oh, I thought that the sports.ru article suggested otherwise. This would be the passage:

• The list of the Russian national team for the new season is an official document of the Russian Figure Skating Federation (FFKR) and the Ministry of Sports. It includes athletes who will have the right to represent Russia at international tournaments. Not a single skater outside the list will be able to represent the Russian team - it is simply impossible to assign him/her any of the main starts (European Championship, World Cup, Olympics).

 

[Scott512]

Ksenia I think was listed, but had to withdraw.

Stasya had a nightmare SP today. Two invalid jump elements and all jumps popped. She earned from the valid combo (and all jumps in total) a whopping 0.90 points.

Beautiful Stasya is really punishing herself.

She is skating against lesser known skaters in this competition. She should cruise to victory. Stasya will be great in shows like she was in Plushies show. The federation will pull funding for her soon and I doubt they will even give her a challenger at this point skating like what you described in her SP today. There are too many Russian girls who need 1 or 2 challenger to keep their careers going.

Before posting this I just checked the score.
That has to be the worst skate of Stasyas career. I don't know what to say at this point. Many times she has bombed the SP and had a fine free skate. I hope that happens again.
But why torture yourself? She takes this really hard.

Ksenia is hurt again? Why would she have withdrawn when she has to show everybody how good she is. I would have to think she's not feeling well.

 

[chasingneverland]

Oh, I thought that the sports.ru article suggested otherwise. This would be the passage:

• The list of the Russian national team for the new season is an official document of the Russian Figure Skating Federation (FFKR) and the Ministry of Sports. It includes athletes who will have the right to represent Russia at international tournaments. Not a single skater outside the list will be able to represent the Russian team - it is simply impossible to assign him/her any of the main starts (European Championship, World Cup, Olympics).

I meant more you don't have to be on the Russian National team at the start to be named to the Olympics.

 

[chasingneverland]

Ksenia is hurt again? Why would she have withdrawn when she has to show everybody how good she is. I would have to think she's not feeling well.

The thing is they're not naming her to the team now. They have far more skaters who have already competed requirements than they have spots.

 

[Scott512]

Let’s honest, if the Russian Nationals scores (at least in the ladies) were valid as records, like every single WR would have been broken. Also, the level of skating at Worlds was much lower then what we saw at Russian Nationals.

Agreed.

For the ladies Nationals was so much better than worlds. And if Sasha was as great at Worlds and she was at Nationals...