2021-2022 US Women's Figure Skating

[macy]

It’s not a childhood game of gossip. Ashley commented on her performance and the results shortly after nationals. I’m sure she was disappointed. Intimating means she hinted, she never outright said anything negative about Bradie. I’ll see if I can find the article for you. Regardless, she did give the impression if anyone “took” her spot, it was Bradie. I found it surprising because it was obvious that her and Karen were fighting for the last spot. Bradie secured her spot squarely by winning nationals in 2018.

There was a time not too long ago that I raked through Ashley's twitter, instagram, and any articles i could find around the time of 2018 nationals and the months after looking for evidence that she said something against the girls who made the team (i believe there were accusations on here, once again) and i could find NOTHING. there are articles i found where the author compared her to Bradie, but nowhere did Ashley herself say anything or even "hint" about Bradie's skating or that she took her spot.

Ashley actually said USFSA made the right call sending them, they earned it, and wished them well instead of insinuating or outright saying anything against them. she did that here in this video: https://olympics.nbcsports.com/2018...-show-interview-olympic-figure-skating-video/

and here is what she said after her nationals scores, where again she said nothing against any of her competitors, only her scores: https://olympics.nbcsports.com/2018/01/05/ashley-wagner-figure-skating-nationals-comments-video/

she is absolutely not wrong she was held down at nationals in PCS relative to international competition that season. we all know home cooked judging is much more generous. that season in the SP, she earned a 33.47 at skate canada and 33.68 at skate america where both times she had more technical errors (and competed injured at SA) vs a 32.94 at nationals. i'm not making the argument a fair PCS score would have put her on the team, just pointing out the numbers support her argument.

 

[skatingiscool]

Man I so wish Alysa had gotten assigned to SkAm (ideally instead of the blood bath that will be SCI). She would've had a solid shot at silver or even gold if Sasha had a bad day.

Me too! If Alysa skates clean and lands 3A in SP and another big jump (??) in LP, she can be on podium at Skate Canada too.

Alysa's media conference gives me an impression that she "MIGHT" throw Quad lutz instead of 3A in Free at Skate Canada. I don't think she will just do "triples" in LP at Skate Canada.

Alysa Liu: “I'm definitely going to do the 3A in my short program at Skate Canada, I MIGHT do it in the long. It's going really well in practice so hopefully I can do it in competition too.”

 

[skylark]

It’s not a childhood game of gossip. Ashley commented on her performance and the results shortly after nationals. I’m sure she was disappointed. Intimating means she hinted, she never outright said anything negative about Bradie. I’ll see if I can find the article for you. Regardless, she did give the impression if anyone “took” her spot, it was Bradie. I found it surprising because it was obvious that her and Karen were fighting for the last spot. Bradie secured her spot squarely by winning nationals in 2018.

I'm sure that as a 3-time US champion who skated in the World Championships six times straight (the only US woman who has a longer consecutive appearance streak is Kwan), Ashley knew that.

But yes, I'd appreciate if you can find the article. I thought I read everything at the time, and I don't remember her remarks that way at all. Maybe what you're remembering is a comment on the night that other skaters' performances weren't marked down for similar mistakes? Perhaps you inferred that she meant Bradie's? if so, that may have been a reasonable assumption.

But that still is different, in my opinion, from stating that she hinted that someone "took" her spot. If I'm remembering correctly, that's wrong, and harmful. And yes, I know what 'intimated' means.

After a highly decorated career, Ashley Wagner is proudest of current chapter in her story

The figure skater lives in the Boston area and studies psychology with the goal of having a therapy practice focusing on trauma and the LGBTQ+ community.

olympics.nbcsports.com

 

[beepboop]

Me too! If Alysa skates clean and lands 3A in SP and another big jump (??) in LP, she can be on podium at Skate Canada too.

Alysa's media conference gives me an impression that she "MIGHT" throw Quad lutz instead of 3A in Free at Skate Canada. I don't think she will just do "triples" in LP at Skate Canada.

Alysa Liu: “I'm definitely going to do the 3A in my short program at Skate Canada, I MIGHT do it in the long. It's going really well in practice so hopefully I can do it in competition too.”

Oh interesting! I was confused about why she'd plan to do the 3A in the SP but not the FS, and hadn't even considered the possibility that she might be adding the 4Lz

 

[skylark]

There was a time not too long ago that I raked through Ashley's twitter, instagram, and any articles i could find around the time of 2018 nationals and the months after looking for evidence that she said something against the girls who made the team (i believe there were accusations on here, once again) and i could find NOTHING. there are articles i found where the author compared her to Bradie, but nowhere did Ashley herself say anything or even "hint" about Bradie's skating or that she took her spot.

thank you.

Ashley actually said USFSA made the right call sending them, they earned it, and wished them well instead of insinuating or outright saying anything against them. she did that here in this video: https://olympics.nbcsports.com/2018...-show-interview-olympic-figure-skating-video/

and here is what she said after her nationals scores, where again she said nothing against any of her competitors, only her scores: https://olympics.nbcsports.com/2018/01/05/ashley-wagner-figure-skating-nationals-comments-video/

Yes, that's what I remember. Ashley said, "I am absolutely OK with [judges] being strict on my [jump] rotations. That’s what I think that U.S. Figure Skating should demand of their judges, but you know it needs to be across the board. I don’t necessarily feel like it’s been that way at this event,"

she is absolutely not wrong she was held down at nationals in PCS relative to international competition that season. we all know home cooked judging is much more generous. that season in the SP, she earned a 33.47 at skate canada and 33.68 at skate america where both times she had more technical errors (and competed injured at SA) vs a 32.94 at nationals. i'm not making the argument a fair PCS score would have put her on the team, just pointing out the numbers support her argument.

Exactly.

 

[kwanatic]

I'd love to see Alysa on the podium but it will be an uphill battle. Alena hasn't been very consistent lately and her 3A is iffy now. Even with those issues, she still scores well in PCS which could be the deciding factor. Nailing a 3A in the SP will help to keep her close and if she can do one or two in the FS, she'll set herself up well for a medal. I think Kamila and Liza T are close to being locks but I refuse to say that outright in case I'm wrong.

 

[LiamForeman]

Oh interesting! I was confused about why she'd plan to do the 3A in the SP but not the FS, and hadn't even considered the possibility that she might be adding the 4Lz

It doesn't make sense for her to have a 3axel and only use it in the SP. An axel jump is required in the LP, so the triple if you can do it sets you apart pointswise. I really don't think she should be working on the 4lutz. It rarely was clean and she was tiny back then when she was attempting it. Just go for a 3axel in the SP and LP.

 

[macy]

It doesn't make sense for her to have a 3axel and only use it in the SP. An axel jump is required in the LP, so the triple if you can do it sets you apart pointswise. I really don't think she should be working on the 4lutz. It rarely was clean and she was tiny back then when she was attempting it. Just go for a 3axel in the SP and LP.

well, i definitely think putting it in the short is smart because if she's clean then she's got a leg up on a lot of the competition. if she ends up having a few point cushion after the short then she has room to try one in the FS, but i think it's smart to see how she does after the short. if she misses it she will want to go clean.

 

[drivingmissdaisy]

It doesn't make sense for her to have a 3axel and only use it in the SP. An axel jump is required in the LP, so the triple if you can do it sets you apart pointswise. I really don't think she should be working on the 4lutz. It rarely was clean and she was tiny back then when she was attempting it. Just go for a 3axel in the SP and LP.

I agree, but I guess the thinking might be that fatigue is less of a factor since there are only three jumping passes in the SP. I can't see her going for the 4Lz in the LP; if she's feeling that confident, I'm sure she'd do both the 3A and 4Lz there.

 

[MCsAngel2]

I don't think Alysa's 4Lz is anywhere near ready. Pretty sure she's been working on getting the 3A up to snuff, that's the most important jump to have right now (since you can do one in both programs but quads aren't allowed in the short).

 

[chuckm]

Unless Alysa is landing the 3a in practice at an 85% or higher success rate, it is very risky to try it in the SP. Should she go for it in the SP and fail, she would be behind a lot of skaters rather than ahead of or on par with the podium contenders.

Since we don't know how well she is doing in practice, let her coaches dispense advice on the 3a.

 

[AlysaLiuStan]

I agree, but I guess the thinking might be that fatigue is less of a factor since there are only three jumping passes in the SP. I can't see her going for the 4Lz in the LP; if she's feeling that confident, I'm sure she'd do both the 3A and 4Lz there.

Unless you skate with Alysa I highly doubt you would know how the quad is coming along. In other words, talk of Alysa not being "confident" enough for the quad is just meaningless speculation.

 

[saturdaysun]

Unless you skate with Alysa I highly doubt you would know how the quad is coming along. In other words, talk of Alysa not being "confident" enough for the quad is just meaningless speculation.

Dude all of this is meaningless speculation. It's a message board.

 

[spicymacaron]

Unless Alysa is landing the 3a in practice at an 85% or higher success rate, it is very risky to try it in the SP. Should she go for it in the SP and fail, she would be behind a lot of skaters rather than ahead of or on par with the podium contenders.

Since we don't know how well she is doing in practice, let her coaches dispense advice on the 3a.

I actually disagree. A fall on a 3A is 4.00 ( - 1.00 in pcs) so 3.00 value total. The base value on a 2A is 3.30. So a 3A is not high risk, but has a high reward in the sp.

 

[Lutzedge]

Here is a video of Mia Kalin's Quad Toe/Triple Toe in practice.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CVL_1ZPlYMP/

 

[natsulian]

Here is a video of Mia Kalin's Quad Toe/Triple Toe in practice.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CVL_1ZPlYMP/

Mia's quad-Toe is probably one of the best quads in women's figure skating (aside from Trusova and Veronika) which is quite ironic considering how small her triples can be. However, I am a firm believer that Mia will definitely improve other aspects of her skating alongside her jumps. I cannot wait to watch Mia's progress.

 

[natsulian]

Unless Alysa is landing the 3a in practice at an 85% or higher success rate, it is very risky to try it in the SP. Should she go for it in the SP and fail, she would be behind a lot of skaters rather than ahead of or on par with the podium contenders.

Since we don't know how well she is doing in practice, let her coaches dispense advice on the 3a.

Even an under-rotated triple-Axel with -1/-2 grade-of-execution is worth more than a double-Axel with +1/+2 grade-of-execution; therefore, I think there is an incentive to at least attempt it. However, the main predicament lies in whether Alysa pops their jump. Nevertheless, competing the triple-Axel during the Grand Prix is highly advantageous for Alysa because it allows her to increase her technical score and gives them quality, high-pressure practice before the Olympics. The Grand Prix is Alysa's playing ground to ensure that the triple-Axel and her programs are well versed and practiced adequately before the Games.

 

[MCsAngel2]

Even an under-rotated triple-Axel with -1/-2 grade-of-execution is worth more than a double-Axel with +1/+2 grade-of-execution; therefore, I think there is an incentive to do at least attempt it. However, the main predicament lies in whether Alysa pops their jump. Nevertheless, competing the triple-Axel during the Grand Prix is highly advantageous for Alysa because it allows her to increase her technical score and gives them quality, high-pressure practice before the Olympics. The Grand Prix is Alysa's playing ground to ensure that the triple-Axel and her programs are well versed and practiced adequately before the Games.

Thanks for the reminder that Alysa's pronouns are she/they.

 

[mrrice]

I don't think Alysa's 4Lz is anywhere near ready. Pretty sure she's been working on getting the 3A up to snuff, that's the most important jump to have right now (since you can do one in both programs but quads aren't allowed in the short).

Here's the thing about the US Ladies and a 4L. It is not necessary for any US Lady to have a 4L in order to win US Nationals. Bradie won last year with 3/3's, beautiful spins, and strong component scores. I feel the same way about Men going for a Quad Axel. The risk of injury is just too high. If a skater wants to add one for the Olympics, that's a different story. I'd hate to see a skater get knocked out by injury before they even get to Nationals.

 

[skatingiscool]

Unless Alysa is landing the 3a in practice at an 85% or higher success rate, it is very risky to try it in the SP. Should she go for it in the SP and fail, she would be behind a lot of skaters rather than ahead of or on par with the podium contenders.

Since we don't know how well she is doing in practice, let her coaches dispense advice on the 3a.

You're correct. Her 3a in practice didn't has high success rate back in early Sep. I asked Jacob about Alysa 3A at Champs camp. Jacob told me that Alysa landed one but stood up a few (stepouts or under) at Champs camp. May be that's why Alysa only did 2A in SP @ all CS competitions. Alysa continued to remaster 3A and quad lutz at Magri’s skating school (Egna, Italy) after Nebelhorn . I guess her 3 coaches team thinks she is ready and put 3A back in SP. 4lutz is a question mark but she is still practicing. We will find out her game plan at Skate Canada very soon . I hope Alysa doesn't throw any 3A and quad in Nats, she doesn't need big jumps there. A clean triples program is what she needs to be placed in top 5 at nats.

Here is old video of Alysa's 3A and 4lutz attempt a few months ago. I'm pretty sure the video was shot at Magri’s skating school in Italy

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