Pretty sure Alsya wants to win Nationals and not just place top five so I am sure they'll go for 3As there. Espeically since Lindsay and Amber will likely be attempting 3As.You're correct. Her 3a in practice didn't has high success rate back in early Sep. I asked Jacob about Alysa 3A at Champs camp. Jacob told me that Alysa landed one but stood up a few (stepouts or under) at Champs camp. May be that's why Alysa only did 2A in SP @ all CS competitions. Alysa continued to remaster 3A and quad lutz at Magri’s skating school (Egna, Italy) after Nebelhorn . I guess her 3 coaches team think she is ready and put 3A back in SP. 4lutz is a question mark but she is still practicing. We will find out her game plan at Skate Canada very soon .I hope Alysa doesn't throw any 3A and quad in Nats, she doesn't need big jumps there. A clean triples program is what she needs to be placed in top 5 at nats.
Here is old video of Alysa's 3A and 4lutz attempt a few months ago. I'm pretty sure the video was shot at Magri’s skating school in Italy
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Don't forget Isabeau Levito will be competing as a senior at Nationals, too. I believe she doesn't have a 3A but she does have a quad. Alysa will definitely be doing a 3A.
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Isabeau might at least be training the 3A. Her 2A is so nice, and with her entry she does into it in her FS, it looks like she might be working on one.
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I think she will go for one at least in the LP, if not one each in both the SP and LP. Alysa doesn't seem like she'd come undone if she missed the 3A, and landing the rest of the jumps should place her easily inside the top 3 (perhaps even atop the podium).
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This is on topic, so give it a minute.
I'm having bad flashbacks of the previous Olympic season, where all the talk was about Jason not needing a quad to medal at this event or that event. And suddenly Nationals was upon us, and he needed it then. And he didn't have it, and he sat home during the Olympics.
I think these ladies need to go for their most difficult content, in competition and under pressure, every chance they get. Eventually, they're going to need it, and I'd rather they have more reps under their belts.
Are there going to be UR's, pops, and falls along the way? Sure, I'd bet on it. But remember the dream, going to the Olympics. I don't think little girls grow up dreaming of the day they eek out a bronze at Skate Canada.
I'm having bad flashbacks of the previous Olympic season, where all the talk was about Jason not needing a quad to medal at this event or that event. And suddenly Nationals was upon us, and he needed it then. And he didn't have it, and he sat home during the Olympics.
I think these ladies need to go for their most difficult content, in competition and under pressure, every chance they get. Eventually, they're going to need it, and I'd rather they have more reps under their belts.
Are there going to be UR's, pops, and falls along the way? Sure, I'd bet on it. But remember the dream, going to the Olympics. I don't think little girls grow up dreaming of the day they eek out a bronze at Skate Canada.
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I understand what you are saying, but I don't think the analogy is quite that smooth. Jason tanked in the 2018 Nats, and beat himself. He fell on triples, as well as his quad. He finished sixth. If he had *only* fallen on the quad, he may very well have gone to the Olys. And the third skater selected was Adam Rippon, not known for "quadding it up".
(Avoiding the other discussion that flows from a committee making the decision).IMO, a US women's skater does not need the most difficult jumps and does not need to train the most difficult jumps, to make the Olympic team. They can perfect everything else they do so well that they score more highly than those who have more difficult jumps. So, Mariah or Bradie or whoever could very well make the team without 3As or quads. And they would be best advised, IMO, to not try them if they can't do them. There is more than one way to aspire to the best.
Now, Olympic medals are another issue, of course, but many of these skaters would be happy to simply make the team. As well they should be.
And anyone who *can* do everything should do everything, and more power to them.
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Regardless, a second place finish at NHK seems more likely. That plus at least 4th in Canada means GPF ticket for Alysa!!
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I hear what you're saying. But there are a fair number of ladies of similar abilities fighting for spots... two spots, I'd say now... if things go as they are, I'd say Alysa has the other one.I understand what you are saying, but I don't think the analogy is quite that smooth. Jason tanked in the 2018 Nats, and beat himself. He fell on triples, as well as his quad. He finished sixth. If he had *only* fallen on the quad, he may very well have gone to the Olys. And the third skater selected was Adam Rippon, not known for "quadding it up".
IMO, a US women's skater does not need the most difficult jumps and does not need to train the most difficult jumps, to make the Olympic team. They can perfect everything else they do so well that they score more highly than those who have more difficult jumps. So, Mariah or Bradie or whoever could very well make the team without 3As or quads. And they would be best advised, IMO, to not try them if they can't do them. There is more than one way to aspire to the best.
Now, Olympic medals are another issue, of course, but many of these skaters would be happy to simply make the team. As well they should be.
And anyone who *can* do everything should do everything, and more power to them.
They need to stand out from the pack. I'd hate for someone to skate reasonably well with so-so technical content to lose the Olympic spot to someone else who skated reasonably well with so-so technical content... when she KNOWS she could have done more.
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They did mention about quad lutz in an interview with Philip a month ago. We just don't know her quad lutz training progress and success rate. We will find out her protocol in Skate Canada very soon.
A “new” Alysa Liu in a good place for a transformative season
Liu, now 16, is in the best headspace of her career and displaying a more mature style of skating just in time for the Olympic season.
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"Scali designed Liu’s free skate to make room for a quad lutz if she can remaster it. Making the Olympic team is her primary goal for the season. Landing the quad lutz again is next."
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It would be unusual for second + fourth to be sufficient to qualify for GPF (according to the normal ranking system).
Not impossible, but unusual -- as it was when Bradie qualified in 2019.
I wish Alysa well, but it is too early for me to anticipate GPF for her.
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Nope, too young.
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One rule change that I feel MUST be changed is this business where you are ineligible to compete in senior competitions because your birthday is after June 30. If they want only 15 y/o's and up, then they should say that any person age 15 on the date of the competition is eligible. I'm born 7/7, like Akatieva, and I'd be livid if I was her. Especially seeing Maiia win Budapest with a shaky program. Any Akatieva performance this year would have cleaned Maiia's clock. Never mind Anna's.... But to think Sofia Akatieva not only is being denied the chance to beat Maiia in international competition this season, but NEXT season as well, due to her being 8 days too young. It's ridiculous. And yes, I wish Isabeau Levito was eligible for the Olympics too. Alysa, Isabeau, Lindsay/Amber. Perfect for me!
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This is true, of course, but my hope is that Alysa does make it to the GPF so she can defeat all of the top Russian skaters prior to the Olympics and prove to be the favorite for gold. Aside from another Tonya/Nancy scandal, I can't see anything in women's skating helping the sport become popular again in the United States.
I'm also wishing that Courtney Hicks can build upon her disappointing results last weekend and make a real splash again, perhaps even get a spot at Four Continents.
I don't think that's very likely to happen (and I say this as a big fan of Alysa's).
But I will say that, if she does makes it to GPF, given the difficulty of her assignments and the fact that only 3 of the Russian women can go to the Olympics, she will definitely be proving herself to be a contender for the Olympic podium.
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They absolutely need to do whatever they can to stand out.
Faster! fast and precise footwork and choreo sequences Higher:! Jumps, whatever they are, light and airy and precise. Stronger! The incredible core strength needed for Level four spins.
If a skater does that, they will never be safe, timid or boring.
Whatever happens, I think we can agree that we hope the selections are clear and without controversy.
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I was a fan of Hicks back in her junior days. Her split jump-3sal was gorgeous and she always got maximum GOE for it. Then she broke her ankle and she's been an inconsistent mess since. It doesn't help that I don't think much of her as a person, but she does have "penultimate group at Nationals" potential. Hopefully she's enjoying herself out there, at least.
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Amber jumped pretty well in her runthru, but her trip on the step sequence made me realize I hate the program. Her energy thru the whole thing was so depressing I thought she was going to just lay on the ice and cry when that happened. After she got up and laughed and made some faces at the audience I was relieved, but I also thought she has such a likeable personality that it's a big shame neither of her programs show any of it.
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