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Usually what people mean when they say junior is slow. I haven't seen Alysa in person since she made the huge improvement in PCS but in the past she was very very slow. She is probably still rather slow compared to other skaters. She also has small jumps. However, that doesn't mean she doesn't have other nice qualities that aren't "junior" at all. I think her performance ability is quite lovely and I really like her programs.
Based on comments from those at the competition, they said she was actually one of the faster skaters. One poster said they were shocked because Liza was actually the slowest one in the top four. Of course, everyone’s perception may be a little different.
 
Based on comments from those at the competition, they said she was actually one of the faster skaters. One poster said they were shocked because Liza was actually the slowest one in the top four. Of course, everyone’s perception may be a little different.
Alysa is undeniably faster than she used to be, but it was pretty jarring to go from Kamila to Alysa. The level of skating isn't even comparable.

But that being said, Alysa is on the right track.
 
Based on comments from those at the competition, they said she was actually one of the faster skaters. One poster said they were shocked because Liza was actually the slowest one in the top four. Of course, everyone’s perception may be a little different.
That's interesting. I had some friends who went to Cranberry who told me she was faster than before but still slow compared to the other top skaters. I haven't seen her live in about 2 years so I can't say...

Liza being slow isn't surprising. She has always been slow. Her recent PCS scores are shocking to me.
 
Based on comments from those at the competition, they said she was actually one of the faster skaters. One poster said they were shocked because Liza was actually the slowest one in the top four. Of course, everyone’s perception may be a little different.
I was actually impressed with Alysa's speed from the Fan Cam angle. She is definitely covering more ice than she used to and I am very interested in seeing how she handles the pressure going into the Free Program. Not only is she the top US Lady, she is the highest scoring Non-Russian in the event. I will be thrilled if she holds on to her current position and who knows, if she hits everything, she could capture the Bronze.
 
I think Alyssa did a great job and I, too, am worried about how she'll handle the pressure. She does skate very fast and reminds me a bit of Michelle Kwan early on before she settled into her graceful presentation. I would like to see Alyssa take just a titch more time between jumps and spins. But she sure does look all grown up and she is our best hope.
 
I think Alyssa did a great job and I, too, am worried about how she'll handle the pressure. She does skate very fast and reminds me a bit of Michelle Kwan early on before she settled into her graceful presentation. I would like to see Alyssa take just a titch more time between jumps and spins. But she sure does look all grown up and she is our best hope.

Alysa Liu skates much faster now compared to Cranberry cup and Nats. Her speed of improving is amazing. Her ice coverage improves a lot. Alysa is clearly in upward trajectory - she can improve a ton just within MONTH(s) instead of YEAR(s). If Alysa ends up at 4th place at SC, it is still a great start for her. I'm sure she will be on podium (international stage) in one day. The girl is keep pushing herself, very proud of her.
 
Lindsay has a massive score. Gracie is doing well too.

ijs.usfigureskating.org/leaderboard/results/2021/30107/CAT020SEG035.html

Lindsay Thorngren 202.60 1 1 (134.08 FS)
Gracie Gold 163.62 3 5 (102.85)
102 is not anywhere near podium placement at US Nationals, especially in an Olympic year.
Wow. Gracie almost made me cry. She has looked so miserable at every competition she's entered in the last few years. But here, she was smiling before she skated, at moments during the actual program, and after despite the fall. It genuinely lifted my heart to see her look happy.
I wanted to cry with/for her after the free. She was so frustrated and upset at herself for letting the program get away after the first fall (on an element almost none of her competitors even tried).
 
I was sad to see Karen upset today. However, I think this skate shows why no one other than Alysa (barring injury) is a lock for the Olympics. Karen's score with tough technical calling is radically different from what it is with lax calling. I really hope Clare Seo gets a new coach because she needs to fix her URs before it is too late.
 
I was sad to see Karen upset today. However, I think this skate shows why no one other than Alysa (barring injury) is a lock for the Olympics. Karen's score with tough technical calling is radically different from what it is with lax calling. I really hope Clare Seo gets a new coach because she needs to fix her URs before it is too late.
Yes, when she gets those UR calls, it's over...Karen finishing 10th here is jarring. Lovely as her skating is, she is still locked in 69ish PCS for a great skate; she'd need a cushion of Kamila-level PCS to help overcome the URs and lack of difficulty.
 
Karen is never good in the GP events so this placement isn't suprising. If she gets an Olympic spot it will be due to her performance at Nationals and her 4th place finish at Worlds. I don't think the GP results will play a big part in the Olympic selection, as it looks like we won't have an American medalist this year. That said, Alysa is still leading the pack.
 
Karen got a carrot fest today, which is very prone to happening with a tougher tech panel, especially when she isn't at her best.

Alysa's more interesting. My main conclusion after the free program today is that Alysa has nerves of absolute steel. She fell on her triple axel, but still carried on with her program as though nothing was the matter. The combos they planned for the second half were very unorthodox and difficult. She was clearly muscling her way through them, but she fought for every landing and didn't miss a beat. Even though many of her jumps were called in the second half, Alysa was still able to score well in a very difficult field.

In the future, maybe a more conservative jump layout would better maximize points. If she sticks to one 3A per program, doing a 3Lz+Eu+3S seems the obvious choice over the more audacious 3L+Eu+3F that she was attempting. The 3F+2A+Seq is actually quite smart since it's worth more than a 3F+2T even though there's a Seq attached to it. But moving one of the combos to the first half, probably the 3F+2A+Seq would probably make her program easier, and aviod the q call she got on the 3F. Also, it gives her a big more wiggle room in case she lands awkwardly on one of the 3Lz in the second half, so she can put a combo somewhere else. Of course, if she adds a second triple axel, then it's probably a moot point and the seq can go all together in place of a 3A+2T. She didn't get any ! calls on the flip today, but I still feel it's better to get rid of one 3F and replace it with a 3Lo just because it's clear that judges are watching her inside edge like a hawk.

So something like this if she goes for one triple axel
3A
3F+2A+Seq
3Lo
2A

3Lz+Eu+3S
3Lz+3T
3Lo

And something like this for two triple axels
3A+2T
3A
2A
3Lo

3Lz+Eu+3S
3Lz+3T
3F

Alysa has said she wants to go for a quad lutz later in the season, so I'm excited to see how that turns out. She scores over 200 regularly, which is more than enough to make her the top contender for US Champion. Alysa's actually in a pretty good position, compared to the Russians and Japanese ladies. Since she's so clearly the top US lady, she doesn't need to worry as much about the consequences of falling on ultra-C jumps. As the only US lady really trying ultra-Cs, she can keep falling on them, and not fall behind her competitors for Olympic spots.
 
Karen is never good in the GP events so this placement isn't suprising. If she gets an Olympic spot it will be due to her performance at Nationals and her 4th place finish at Worlds. I don't think the GP results will play a big part in the Olympic selection, as it looks like we won't have an American medalist this year. That said, Alysa is still leading the pack.
However, according to the USFS it is the scores at the GP events not the placement that matters. If the USFS does actually follow its own guidelines this should matter.

Alysa didn't medal here and probably won't medal at her next event but she did get a good score. That helps her cause. Karen's doesn't.

Honestly, though USFS will likely put anyone they want on the team perhaps ignoring the selection criteria they put out.. If they want Karen, and her coach is a favorite of the fed, they will put her on the team even if the rest of the season continues like this and others outscore her internationally.
 
I'm starting to think about the team event for the Olympics. Traditionally, the US likes to split their singles disciplines across two different skaters, but none of the US ladies, bar Alysa, are really looking consistent enough for that. Alysa should absolutely do the short program, as the only US lady with a triple axel that's been landed in competition, alongside a backloaded triple-triple. Plus, the short program is far more decisive for the final medals compared to the free program since countries can really get buried with ten countries participating in the short program compared to only five int he free. However, none of the US ladies are looking consistent enough to do the free program besides Alysa.

The other countries likely to qualify for the free program are Russia, Japan, China, and Canada, with Japan the clear favorite for bronze. Whichever US lady selected would be expected to beat China and Canada, and possibly give the Japanese lady a run for her money. Alysa's the only one who can really do that.

Of course, in terms of overall medals, it likely won't make a big difference. With Japan's recent success in pairs skating, they're likely to place close to the US in mens, ladies, and pairs, but will also likely get buried in the ice dance rhythm dance, to the point that it likely won't make a huge difference which US lady they send for the free program, since all the US ladies can reasonably beat the Chinese and Canadian ladies.

However, that's in the most likely, and best case scenario. What if the American pairs team does poorly in the short? Or an American man falls? With Japan's pairs success, there's a lot less room for error than what was previously assumed. I'm starting to feel like they might ask Alysa to do both segments to keep things safer. Since Alysa doesn't have a great shot at the Olympic podium, and there's more time for recovery between the team event and individual event for ladies, she's certainly more likely to accept than say, Nathan, where there's much less recovery time and an individual gold medal is on the line.

TLDR: Alysa's looking more likely to do both segments of the team event so the US can lock up a team silver. This is bad news for all the other US ladies, who would of course want to do the team event, as it's essentially a guaranteed medal, especially since the rest of them are no where close to being podium contenders.
 
I'm starting to think about the team event for the Olympics. Traditionally, the US likes to split their singles disciplines across two different skaters, but none of the US ladies, bar Alysa, are really looking consistent enough for that. Alysa should absolutely do the short program, as the only US lady with a triple axel that's been landed in competition, alongside a backloaded triple-triple. Plus, the short program is far more decisive for the final medals compared to the free program since countries can really get buried with ten countries participating in the short program compared to only five int he free. However, none of the US ladies are looking consistent enough to do the free program besides Alysa.

The other countries likely to qualify for the free program are Russia, Japan, China, and Canada, with Japan the clear favorite for bronze. Whichever US lady selected would be expected to beat China and Canada, and possibly give the Japanese lady a run for her money. Alysa's the only one who can really do that.

Of course, in terms of overall medals, it likely won't make a big difference. With Japan's recent success in pairs skating, they're likely to place close to the US in mens, ladies, and pairs, but will also likely get buried in the ice dance rhythm dance, to the point that it likely won't make a huge difference which US lady they send for the free program, since all the US ladies can reasonably beat the Chinese and Canadian ladies.

However, that's in the most likely, and best case scenario. What if the American pairs team does poorly in the short? Or an American man falls? With Japan's pairs success, there's a lot less room for error than what was previously assumed. I'm starting to feel like they might ask Alysa to do both segments to keep things safer. Since Alysa doesn't have a great shot at the Olympic podium, and there's more time for recovery between the team event and individual event for ladies, she's certainly more likely to accept than say, Nathan, where there's much less recovery time and an individual gold medal is on the line.

TLDR: Alysa's looking more likely to do both segments of the team event so the US can lock up a team silver. This is bad news for all the other US ladies, who would of course want to do the team event, as it's essentially a guaranteed medal, especially since the rest of them are no where close to being podium contenders.
In terms of team medal chances, Alysa and K/F should do both segments. Men and dance can split. This also works for timing, since there's plenty of rest time between team and women/pairs.
 
In terms of team medal chances, Alysa and K/F should do both segments. Men and dance can split. This also works for timing, since there's plenty of rest time between team and women/pairs.
I'm inclined to think this will happen, especially because USFS seems very reluctant to pick a top team between C/B and H/D, just looking at the points differential at Skate America.
 
After seeing Alysa and Lindsay this weekend, I think they are the top2 ladies in the US at this point. Still kills me that we haven't seen Bradie but, Karen did not help her cause at Skate Canada. With Isabeau being too young, and Mariah still being a question mark, I guess it will be between Bradie and Amber for that final spot.
 
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