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At this point is there a possibility that she would just withdraw from Nationals if the injury is this serious?

At this point of the season, no if she has to withdraw from nationals it would likely not happen till the absolute last moment unless the injury is at the point that she absolutely under no circumstances cannot skate or is needing surgery and it cannot wait for the end of the season. Otherwise it would not surprise me if she does what what Shcherbakova did last year at Russian Nationals - show up with minimal training (Shcherbakova wasn't doing any full run-throughs prior to Nationals) and see what she can will herself through.

In late September she did a program in Oklahoma (Facebook link below), she did only singles and doubles, at the time when this was posted everyone was all 'oh she's just conserving herself for a long season' - I think its safe to say at this point that most likely what was done in Oklahoma is where she's at in her recovery. But the good news is unless she has suffered a setback (which would be bad news) then she can skate; maybe her and her team don't want to travel from Colorado to Europe for her to do essentially be doing program run-throughs. There's still 2 months before nationals, maybe she can do some of the domestic championship series events to shake off the competition rust and do program run-throughs.

https://www.facebook.com/donna.c.smith.77/videos/370817774743048

Do we know the nature of the injury?


According to her post when she WD from Skate America at the time it was "ongoing injury with her foot" but Bradie has had multiple back injuries that have required her to be in a brace for months at a time.

 
Disagree (would love to be proven wrong though), Amber struggles with nerves, I have my doubts in the biggest competition of the season that plays a big part in getting on the Olympic team is going to be the time she's able to corral her nerves to land the triple axel.

And honestly if I was her team I wouldn't put that triple axel in unless absolutely necessary, with the exception of Alysa and Lindsay, everything we've seen and heard of the other contenders for the team are a bit of mess - maybe look to see how Mariah does in the GP series and go with her Skate America layout and focus on being clean.

I feel like Amber is Amber's biggest obstacle to getting on the olympic team. Unlike Mariah and Karen, she doesn't have underrotation problems on her triple-triples, and she has the potential for much higher TES with the triple axel. Unfortunately, Amber has been a nervy competitor her whole career, and the jumps that go so well in practice just aren't able to manifest themselves in competition. She's improved in the past year (which is why she's even in the conversation) on her nerves, finally delivering a few clean free skates at US Nationals and Skate America. Now it's all about showing she can do it consistently.
 
She never even tries it. Its very sad. How can you know she is struggling with it in competition?
She has tried it at least twice in 2021 — at Nationals & Cranberry Cup — URs with a stumble (but not a fall), iirc.

I saw her do a gorgeous one in Skate America practice; crowd erupted when she landed it. But she had a weird warmup before the SP (with a near-collision at full speed) & had to try the setup for her combo several times. Ran out of time to test the 3A.

We’ll see what happens at NHK this week.
 
She never even tries it. Its very sad. How can you know she is struggling with it in competition?
She also tried it at Finlandia. So, basically she has tried it at 2 out of 3 competitions she entered this season. Not sure where this " she never tries it " belief comes from.

Unfortunately, she has not been successful. I do wonder about her decision to try it in the SP. It seems to be she should try to land it first in the LP.
 
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Gracie Gold is still very much skating for an Olympic spot. Seem like all the others are faltering as well in one way or another.
The best possible result for Gracie at this point would be a top 6 finish at Nationals and maybe a 4 CCs assignment if she wants it. And that’s a very remote possibility.
 
I just can’t believe people continue talking about Gracie like she is in contention for the Olympics. A dozen or so American athletes would need to be injured for this to even be a conversation. She can’t land any triples in the second half of her fee skate and she never even attempts and misses combos where she just leaves points off the table. With the way she is skating, the conversation is more about whether or not she can even grab one of 18 spots at Nationals. I believe she currently is holding on to the last spot with 5/8 of the Challenger Series completed.
She does have another Challenger upcoming. She is continuing to (very slowly) improve. To clarify I’m not talking about her going to the Olympics but to make Nationals.
 
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And a LOT of stars had to align for that to happen. US ladies used to be favorites for gold and if they messed up it was oh rats they got silver instead, now its we need them to be clean (or at least called clean...) and others to mess up (and potentially mess up a lot) for them to get on the podium. Perhaps if a lot of us haven't been fans of figure skating for years where we remember the era of US ladies being the powerhouse country we would look at Karen Chen's fourth place finish as a huge achievement like we do when we see Loena Hendrickx place bronze at GP event or place fifth at Worlds.



I admit I have mixed feelings on whether I agree or not with BV of TES affecting PCS. On 1 hand I say TES BV should not, there are skaters like Satoko (though she generally does get pretty good PCS) or Sasha Cohen (to bring in a US lady so I'm not off-topic :biggrin:) makes you forget their TES deficiencies/problems, but on the other hand I can justify - its more difficult to perform/interpret a program when you are doing more difficult technical elements.
I have been watching figure skating since 1976 with my mother and probably before that but 1976 is the first I remember. The US ladies used to be powerhouses and may be again with some of the juniors we have coming up, but right now we are not. Karen Chen is the reason we have 3 spots for Worlds next year and the reason we were able to compete for 3 spots for the Olympics. I would like to see her rewarded for that.
 
The best possible result for Gracie at this point would be a top 6 finish at Nationals and maybe a 4 CCs assignment if she wants it. And that’s a very remote possibility.
Very remote; very sadly remote!! But one can dream and maybe, just maybe.,, I mean she has the goods to but...
 
... Gracie ... I believe she currently is holding on to the last spot with 5/8 of the Challenger Series completed.

She does have another Challenger upcoming. She is continuing to (very slowly) improve. To clarify I’m not talking about her going to the Olympics but to make Nationals.

Friendly reminder/clarification that U.S. Championship Series is what you guys really are referring to.

I know that both of you know that Championship Series is far different from (ISU) Challenger Series -- but I don't want anyone else to get confused.



Is Ting Cui automatically locked out of Group 1 and Group 2 for the Olympic team because she hasn't been in international competitions for 2 years?

First things first: As a fan of Ting 🤗, I will consider it a victory for her if she manages to qualify for 2022 Nationals. :pray:

As moonvine alluded to, Ting's first Championship Series score was low. :(
To have any chance of qualifying for Nats, she will need to score much higher in Alpharetta. If she can pull it off, I will be elated for her.

For me: At this point, it does not feel right to even discuss Olympic priority groups with respect to Ting.
Just my opinion.



Good luck to Amber at NHK this coming week! 👏
Alysa too.
 
She has tried it at least twice in 2021 — at Nationals & Cranberry Cup — URs with a stumble (but not a fall), iirc.

I saw her do a gorgeous one in Skate America practice; crowd erupted when she landed it. But she had a weird warmup before the SP (with a near-collision at full speed) & had to try the setup for her combo several times. Ran out of time to test the 3A.

We’ll see what happens at NHK this week.
I am absolutely convinced that the reason she didn't try it at Skate America (I was there, people talked about it for days) is because of the terrible condition of the ice during the pre competition practices and first night of comp. Trusova had the worst practice she's ever had of her career, and the Men's short was a splatfest. When the ice is that hard, higher rotational jumps (3A and quads) are much more likely to not get landed safely.

Ironically, by the next night (night of Women's short), I think the ice had been adjusted and I think she could have landed the 3A if she'd tried it. But as you said, she ran out of time in the 6 minute warmup.

I hope she tries it at NHK. Nationals, Cranberry, Finlandia....all messy, but you don't get a solid jump for competition until you do it over and over again. I know she wants it ready to go by Nationals.
 
Trusova is out of NHK. A chance for Alysa! A win here appears more likely with both Trusova and Kihira gone. Winning NHK could be enough for the final.
Do you really think a win is likely? I mean it is possible but I wouldn't say likely. In this competition, Alysa will be competing against Kaori PB 228, Young You PB 223, and Daria PB 217. Based on the way these skaters have been scored up to this point, I don't see Alysa as a favorite for gold. She definitely has a chance to medal now!
 
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Trusova is out of NHK. A chance for Alysa! A win here appears more likely with both Trusova and Kihira gone. Winning NHK could be enough for the final.
For Alysa to win, she would need to do multiple triple axels cleanly and clean triple-triples, as she will be up against Kaori, Daria, and Young. She and Young You will have similar tech content with the triple axels, but Young You does a better job of rotating. Kaori and Daria both don't have ultra-C elements, but they are much cleaner with their triple-triples and will probably get better GOE and PCS than Alysa. Alysa certainly has a chance, but she will need to show significant improvement from Skate Canada.
 
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