2023-24 Canadian Figure Skating

4everchan · Aug 21, 2023

icewhite said:
Wow, I wouldn't have thought she'd get low PCS. Well, we will see... thanks for the info.

She was scored below the average skater in that large field... much closer to the bottom than to the top..

4everchan · Aug 21, 2023

@icewhite

Her highest PCS score (combined from all judges) = 6.0 in the SP.. .everything else averaged to below 6. I am not saying the Fiona deserves 8, but 5s and 6s is very low.

Pl.	Name	Nation	TSS =	TES +	PCS +	CO	PR	SK	Ded. -	StN.
1	Ava ZIEGLER	USA	68.12	38.09	30.03	7.63	7.50	7.44	0.00	#2
2	Lindsay THORNGREN	USA	66.43	36.51	30.92	8.06	7.56	7.63	1.00	#4
3	Elyce LIN-GRACEY	USA	58.70	32.84	25.86	6.69	6.25	6.50	0.00	#10
4	Clare SEO	USA	56.48	30.12	27.36	6.94	6.94	6.69	1.00	#17
5	Kaiya RUITER	CAN	56.19	30.15	26.04	6.69	6.44	6.44	0.00	#9
6	Sarah EVERHARDT	USA	52.38	28.10	24.28	6.13	6.00	6.13	0.00	#16
7	Amy Shao Ning YANG	CAN	51.30	25.19	27.11	7.00	6.75	6.63	1.00	#5
8	Sonja HILMER	USA	49.22	24.28	24.94	6.50	6.31	5.94	0.00	#8
9	Fiona BOMBARDIER	CAN	48.70	26.93	22.77	5.56	5.81	5.75	1.00	#7
10	Katherine MEDLAND SPENCE	CAN	48.52	26.24	23.28	6.00	5.69	5.81	1.00	#18
11	Wren WARNE-JACOBSEN	USA	48.21	25.84	22.37	5.50	5.81	5.50	0.00	#14
12	Natalie ROCCATANI	CAN	48.19	26.91	21.28	5.50	5.19	5.31	0.00	#6
13	Maryn PIERCE	USA	44.11	20.99	23.12	5.81	5.88	5.69	0.00	#11
14	Ella V CHEN	ISR	43.45	24.09	20.36	5.06	5.19	5.06	1.00	#15
15	Tara PRASAD	IND	43.11	23.81	19.30	4.69	5.19	4.63	0.00	#19
16	Katherine KARON	CAN	42.95	23.34	20.61	5.25	5.00	5.25	1.00	#1
17	Amanda HSU	TPE	38.53	21.41	19.12	4.94	4.56	4.88	2.00	#3
18	Sophia DAYAN	ARG	32.19	15.65	18.54	4.94	4.56	4.44	2.00	#12

1	Lindsay THORNGREN	USA	132.73	70.15	62.58	8.00	7.75	7.69	0.00	#17
2	Ava ZIEGLER	USA	115.67	59.43	58.24	7.31	7.25	7.25	2.00	#18
3	Sonja HILMER	USA	112.18	59.11	53.07	6.75	6.69	6.44	0.00	#11
4	Sarah EVERHARDT	USA	108.73	58.14	51.59	6.50	6.19	6.63	1.00	#13
5	Kaiya RUITER	CAN	108.24	52.14	56.10	7.19	6.88	6.94	0.00	#14
6	Elyce LIN-GRACEY	USA	103.88	54.82	51.06	6.56	6.06	6.50	2.00	#16
7	Fiona BOMBARDIER	CAN	95.39	49.00	47.39	5.94	5.81	6.00	1.00	#10
8	Katherine MEDLAND SPENCE	CAN	93.76	48.69	47.07	6.00	5.75	5.88	2.00	#9
9	Clare SEO	USA	91.99	43.42	51.57	6.56	6.19	6.56	3.00	#15
10	Amy Shao Ning YANG	CAN	86.92	42.19	48.73	6.06	5.88	6.31	4.00	#12
11	Tara PRASAD	IND	84.17	43.93	40.24	4.88	5.19	5.00	0.00	#4
12	Katherine KARON	CAN	82.05	47.84	34.21	4.31	4.00	4.50	0.00	#3
13	Maryn PIERCE	USA	81.16	37.77	43.39	5.31	5.38	5.56	0.00	#6
14	Wren WARNE-JACOBSEN	USA	80.66	38.09	43.57	5.63	5.25	5.44	1.00	#8
15	Natalie ROCCATANI	CAN	76.73	38.51	39.22	5.25	4.69	4.75	1.00	#7
16	Ella V CHEN	ISR	71.64	34.93	38.71	4.69	4.75	5.06	2.00	#5
17	Sophia DAYAN	ARG	59.18	29.62	31.56	3.94	3.75	4.13	2.00	#1
18	Amanda HSU	TPE	58.69	28.50	30.19	3.81	3.44	4.06	0.00	#2

NanaPat · Aug 22, 2023

4everchan said:
@icewhite

Her highest PCS score (combined from all judges) = 6.0 in the SP.. .everything else averaged to below 6. I am not saying the Fiona deserves 8, but 5s and 6s is very low.

Pl. Name Nation TSS
= TES
+ PCS
+ CO PR SK Ded.
- StN.
1
Ava ZIEGLER USA
68.12
38.09
30.03
7.63
7.50
7.44
0.00
#2
2
Lindsay THORNGREN USA
66.43
36.51
30.92
8.06
7.56
7.63
1.00
#4
3
Elyce LIN-GRACEY USA
58.70
32.84
25.86
6.69
6.25
6.50
0.00
#10
4
Clare SEO USA
56.48
30.12
27.36
6.94
6.94
6.69
1.00
#17
5
Kaiya RUITER CAN
56.19
30.15
26.04
6.69
6.44
6.44
0.00
#9
6
Sarah EVERHARDT USA
52.38
28.10
24.28
6.13
6.00
6.13
0.00
#16
7
Amy Shao Ning YANG CAN
51.30
25.19
27.11
7.00
6.75
6.63
1.00
#5
8
Sonja HILMER USA
49.22
24.28
24.94
6.50
6.31
5.94
0.00
#8
9
Fiona BOMBARDIER CAN
48.70
26.93
22.77
5.56
5.81
5.75
1.00
#7
10
Katherine MEDLAND SPENCE CAN
48.52
26.24
23.28
6.00
5.69
5.81
1.00
#18
11
Wren WARNE-JACOBSEN USA
48.21
25.84
22.37
5.50
5.81
5.50
0.00
#14
12
Natalie ROCCATANI CAN
48.19
26.91
21.28
5.50
5.19
5.31
0.00
#6
13
Maryn PIERCE USA
44.11
20.99
23.12
5.81
5.88
5.69
0.00
#11
14
Ella V CHEN ISR
43.45
24.09
20.36
5.06
5.19
5.06
1.00
#15
15
Tara PRASAD IND
43.11
23.81
19.30
4.69
5.19
4.63
0.00
#19
16
Katherine KARON CAN
42.95
23.34
20.61
5.25
5.00
5.25
1.00
#1
17
Amanda HSU TPE
38.53
21.41
19.12
4.94
4.56
4.88
2.00
#3
18
Sophia DAYAN ARG
32.19
15.65
18.54
4.94
4.56
4.44
2.00
#12

1
Lindsay THORNGREN USA
132.73
70.15
62.58
8.00
7.75
7.69
0.00
#17
2
Ava ZIEGLER USA
115.67
59.43
58.24
7.31
7.25
7.25
2.00
#18
3
Sonja HILMER USA
112.18
59.11
53.07
6.75
6.69
6.44
0.00
#11
4
Sarah EVERHARDT USA
108.73
58.14
51.59
6.50
6.19
6.63
1.00
#13
5
Kaiya RUITER CAN
108.24
52.14
56.10
7.19
6.88
6.94
0.00
#14
6
Elyce LIN-GRACEY USA
103.88
54.82
51.06
6.56
6.06
6.50
2.00
#16
7
Fiona BOMBARDIER CAN
95.39
49.00
47.39
5.94
5.81
6.00
1.00
#10
8
Katherine MEDLAND SPENCE CAN
93.76
48.69
47.07
6.00
5.75
5.88
2.00
#9
9
Clare SEO USA
91.99
43.42
51.57
6.56
6.19
6.56
3.00
#15
10
Amy Shao Ning YANG CAN
86.92
42.19
48.73
6.06
5.88
6.31
4.00
#12
11
Tara PRASAD IND
84.17
43.93
40.24
4.88
5.19
5.00
0.00
#4
12
Katherine KARON CAN
82.05
47.84
34.21
4.31
4.00
4.50
0.00
#3
13
Maryn PIERCE USA
81.16
37.77
43.39
5.31
5.38
5.56
0.00
#6
14
Wren WARNE-JACOBSEN USA
80.66
38.09
43.57
5.63
5.25
5.44
1.00
#8
15
Natalie ROCCATANI CAN
76.73
38.51
39.22
5.25
4.69
4.75
1.00
#7
16
Ella V CHEN ISR
71.64
34.93
38.71
4.69
4.75
5.06
2.00
#5
17
Sophia DAYAN ARG
59.18
29.62
31.56
3.94
3.75
4.13
2.00
#1
18
Amanda HSU TPE
58.69
28.50
30.19
3.81
3.44
4.06
0.00
#2

There seems to have been a simple rule:
USA --> PCS over 6
not USA --> PCS under 6.
Out of 18 skaters, there were 3 exceptions (2 USA, 1 CAN)

Jumping_Bean · Aug 22, 2023

JGP Budapest assignments:
Jr Men: David Howes
Jr Women: Aleksa Volkova
Jr Pairs: Martina Ariano Kent/Charly Laliberte Laurent, Ava Kemp/Yohnatan Elizarov
Jr Ice Dance: Caroline Kravets/Jacob Stark, Dana Sabatini-Speciale/Nicholas Buelow

Lulu still didn't get a JGP assignment, and Korneva/MacDonald are also still waiting

Tough and very big pairs field, and finally some alternates have been named (so no more lost spots, hopefully).

DoxieSk8r · Aug 22, 2023

Caroline Kravets/Jacob Stark…I haven’t seen them in a Junior Dance event this summer. And I don’t see them as a NextGen team. Where have they competed this season?

Jumping_Bean · Aug 22, 2023

DoxieSk8r said:
Caroline Kravets/Jacob Stark…I haven’t seen them in a Junior Dance event this summer. And I don’t see them as a NextGen team. Where have they competed this season?

Ontario sectionals this weekend. They placed 5th, behind multiple teams without JGP assignments (Korneva/MacDonald, Bolender/Dotzert and Gover/Wilson-French), so God knows what Skate Canada is doing. Though they are one of the youngest teams in terms of eligibility (together with Carandiuc/Carandiuc and Gans/Boutsan, their last junior-eligible season will be in 2026/27), so maybe it's strategic planning for the future.

Cutting the ice · Aug 22, 2023

I just watched Lulu Lin's free skate from Ontario August Sectionals and was very impressed (again) with her performance and skills - better than at NextGen simulation competition. For those of you not glued to your computer on Sunday, it is at about the 6 hour - 1 minute mark of this video. I am assuming she will (must) get a JGP assignment. I believe she will impress internationally. Marks are here. (in case this has been posted elsewhere).

I was also impressed with Breken Brezden, Abbie Baltzer and Megan Woodley. Not as clean and consistent but definitely talent there to watch develop.

icewhite · Aug 22, 2023

4everchan said:
@icewhite

Her highest PCS score (combined from all judges) = 6.0 in the SP.. .everything else averaged to below 6. I am not saying the Fiona deserves 8, but 5s and 6s is very low.

Pl. Name Nation TSS
= TES
+ PCS
+ CO PR SK Ded.
- StN.
1
Ava ZIEGLER USA
68.12
38.09
30.03
7.63
7.50
7.44
0.00
#2
2
Lindsay THORNGREN USA
66.43
36.51
30.92
8.06
7.56
7.63
1.00
#4
3
Elyce LIN-GRACEY USA
58.70
32.84
25.86
6.69
6.25
6.50
0.00
#10
4
Clare SEO USA
56.48
30.12
27.36
6.94
6.94
6.69
1.00
#17
5
Kaiya RUITER CAN
56.19
30.15
26.04
6.69
6.44
6.44
0.00
#9
6
Sarah EVERHARDT USA
52.38
28.10
24.28
6.13
6.00
6.13
0.00
#16
7
Amy Shao Ning YANG CAN
51.30
25.19
27.11
7.00
6.75
6.63
1.00
#5
8
Sonja HILMER USA
49.22
24.28
24.94
6.50
6.31
5.94
0.00
#8
9
Fiona BOMBARDIER CAN
48.70
26.93
22.77
5.56
5.81
5.75
1.00
#7
10
Katherine MEDLAND SPENCE CAN
48.52
26.24
23.28
6.00
5.69
5.81
1.00
#18
11
Wren WARNE-JACOBSEN USA
48.21
25.84
22.37
5.50
5.81
5.50
0.00
#14
12
Natalie ROCCATANI CAN
48.19
26.91
21.28
5.50
5.19
5.31
0.00
#6
13
Maryn PIERCE USA
44.11
20.99
23.12
5.81
5.88
5.69
0.00
#11
14
Ella V CHEN ISR
43.45
24.09
20.36
5.06
5.19
5.06
1.00
#15
15
Tara PRASAD IND
43.11
23.81
19.30
4.69
5.19
4.63
0.00
#19
16
Katherine KARON CAN
42.95
23.34
20.61
5.25
5.00
5.25
1.00
#1
17
Amanda HSU TPE
38.53
21.41
19.12
4.94
4.56
4.88
2.00
#3
18
Sophia DAYAN ARG
32.19
15.65
18.54
4.94
4.56
4.44
2.00
#12

1
Lindsay THORNGREN USA
132.73
70.15
62.58
8.00
7.75
7.69
0.00
#17
2
Ava ZIEGLER USA
115.67
59.43
58.24
7.31
7.25
7.25
2.00
#18
3
Sonja HILMER USA
112.18
59.11
53.07
6.75
6.69
6.44
0.00
#11
4
Sarah EVERHARDT USA
108.73
58.14
51.59
6.50
6.19
6.63
1.00
#13
5
Kaiya RUITER CAN
108.24
52.14
56.10
7.19
6.88
6.94
0.00
#14
6
Elyce LIN-GRACEY USA
103.88
54.82
51.06
6.56
6.06
6.50
2.00
#16
7
Fiona BOMBARDIER CAN
95.39
49.00
47.39
5.94
5.81
6.00
1.00
#10
8
Katherine MEDLAND SPENCE CAN
93.76
48.69
47.07
6.00
5.75
5.88
2.00
#9
9
Clare SEO USA
91.99
43.42
51.57
6.56
6.19
6.56
3.00
#15
10
Amy Shao Ning YANG CAN
86.92
42.19
48.73
6.06
5.88
6.31
4.00
#12
11
Tara PRASAD IND
84.17
43.93
40.24
4.88
5.19
5.00
0.00
#4
12
Katherine KARON CAN
82.05
47.84
34.21
4.31
4.00
4.50
0.00
#3
13
Maryn PIERCE USA
81.16
37.77
43.39
5.31
5.38
5.56
0.00
#6
14
Wren WARNE-JACOBSEN USA
80.66
38.09
43.57
5.63
5.25
5.44
1.00
#8
15
Natalie ROCCATANI CAN
76.73
38.51
39.22
5.25
4.69
4.75
1.00
#7
16
Ella V CHEN ISR
71.64
34.93
38.71
4.69
4.75
5.06
2.00
#5
17
Sophia DAYAN ARG
59.18
29.62
31.56
3.94
3.75
4.13
2.00
#1
18
Amanda HSU TPE
58.69
28.50
30.19
3.81
3.44
4.06
0.00
#2

I found the scores and it looks like two judges didn't like her.

4everchan · Aug 22, 2023

icewhite said:
I found the scores and it looks like two judges didn't like her.

two judges didn't like her and the others thought she was average ?? Was there a judge who gave her good scores?

icewhite · Aug 22, 2023

4everchan said:
two judges didn't like her and the others thought she was average ?? Was there a judge who gave her good scores?

Well, yeah, Saaraliisa Ehalt from Finland.

4everchan · Aug 22, 2023

Skate Canada did some website updating... That's what we have so far (I didn't include GPs).

EVENT	DATE / LOCATION	CANADIAN ATHLETES	CANADIAN ATHLETES
2023 ISU Junior Grand Prix – Bangkok	AUGUST 23-26, 2023 BANGKOK, THAILAND	MEN GRAYSON LONG RIO MORITA WOMEN HETTY SHI	PAIR ICE DANCE VICTORIA CARANDIUC / ANDREI CARANDIUC LAYLA VEILLON / ALEXANDER BRANDYS
2023 ISU Junior Grand Prix – Cup of Austria	AUGUST 30-SEPTEMBER 2, 2023 LINZ, AUSTRIA	MEN DAVID LI WOMEN KARA YUN	PAIR MARTINA ARIANO KENT / CHARLY LAILBERTÉ ICE DANCE CHLOE NGUYEN / BRENDAN GIANG SAVANNA MARTEL / WILLIAM ODDSON
2023 ISU Junior Grand Prix – Istanbul	SEPTEMBER 6-9, 2023 ISTANBUL, TURKEY	MEN DAVID BONDAR TERRY YU TAO JIN WOMEN ULIANA SHIRYAEVA	PAIR JAZMINE DESROCHERS / KIERAN THRASHER ICE DANCE EMMA GOODSTADT / CHIRSTIAN BENNETT DANA SABATINI-SPECIALE / NICHOLAS BUELOW
2023 Challenger Series -Bergamo	SEPTEMBER 8-10, 2023 BERGAMO, ITALY	MEN WOMEN	PAIR ICE DANCE
2023 ISU Junior Grand Prix – Osaka	SEPTEMBER 13-16, 2023 OSAKA, JAPAN	MEN ANTHONY PARADIS DAVID SHTEYNGART WOMEN ROSE THÉROUX	PAIR ICE DANCE CHLOE NGUYEN / BRENDAN GIANG LAYLA VEILLON / ALEXANDER BRANDYS
2023 Autumn Classic International	SEPTEMBER 14-16, 2023 PIERREFONDS, CANADA	MEN WESLEY CHIU STEPHEN GOGOLEV WOMEN JUSTINE MICLETTE KAYIA RUITER	PAIR CAIDENCE DERENISKY / RAINE EBERL DEANNA STELLATO-DUDEK / MAXIME DESCHAMPS EMMANUELLE PROFT / NICOLAS NADEAU ICE DANCE SANDRINE GAUTHIER / QUENTIN THIEREN MARJORIE LAJOIE / ZACHARY LAGHA ALYSSA ROBINSON / JACOB PORTZ
Not on website yet but as posted above ^^ GP Budapest assignments: Jr Men: David Howes Jr Women: Aleksa Volkova Jr Pairs: Martina Ariano Kent/Charly Laliberte Laurent, Ava Kemp/Yohnatan Elizarov Jr Ice Dance: Caroline Kravets/Jacob Stark, Dana Sabatini-Speciale/Nicholas Buelow

4everchan · Aug 22, 2023

icewhite said:
Well, yeah, Saaraliisa Ehalt from Finland.

Thanks Finland.

Jumping_Bean · Aug 22, 2023

4everchan said:
two judges didn't like her and the others thought she was average ?? Was there a judge who gave her good scores?

Judge 1 (Saaraliisa Ehalt from Finland) and Judge 6 (Erica Topolski from Canada), who gave her their 4th highest PCS with 26.94 and 6th highest PCS with 25.27 in the Short.

In the Free there weren't really any judges giving her a lot higher placements in PCS than she ended up having in average and nobody gave her above 50, but 4 out of 6 judges gave her between 48.00 and 49.40.

Cutting the ice · Aug 22, 2023

Perhaps this is posted elsewhere but a nice review of the senior women's and men's competition at Cranberry, including interview of some Canadians. https://anythinggoe.com/cranberry-cup/

I didn't know that Fiona had a concussion last spring and had to pull out of competitions.

gleungc6 · Aug 22, 2023

Cross posting from change of countries thread

Former Canadian Junior ice dancers Lauren batkova and Jacob yang (previously listed as Lauren batka) are now representing Czechia from what the JGP budapest entries suggest

https://twitter.com/AnythingGOE/status/1693923920150192305?s=20

Reverie · Aug 22, 2023

4everchan said:
@icewhite

Her highest PCS score (combined from all judges) = 6.0 in the SP.. .everything else averaged to below 6. I am not saying the Fiona deserves 8, but 5s and 6s is very low.

Pl. Name Nation TSS
= TES
+ PCS
+ CO PR SK Ded.
- StN.
1
Ava ZIEGLER USA
68.12
38.09
30.03
7.63
7.50
7.44
0.00
#2
2
Lindsay THORNGREN USA
66.43
36.51
30.92
8.06
7.56
7.63
1.00
#4
3
Elyce LIN-GRACEY USA
58.70
32.84
25.86
6.69
6.25
6.50
0.00
#10
4
Clare SEO USA
56.48
30.12
27.36
6.94
6.94
6.69
1.00
#17
5
Kaiya RUITER CAN
56.19
30.15
26.04
6.69
6.44
6.44
0.00
#9
6
Sarah EVERHARDT USA
52.38
28.10
24.28
6.13
6.00
6.13
0.00
#16
7
Amy Shao Ning YANG CAN
51.30
25.19
27.11
7.00
6.75
6.63
1.00
#5
8
Sonja HILMER USA
49.22
24.28
24.94
6.50
6.31
5.94
0.00
#8
9
Fiona BOMBARDIER CAN
48.70
26.93
22.77
5.56
5.81
5.75
1.00
#7
10
Katherine MEDLAND SPENCE CAN
48.52
26.24
23.28
6.00
5.69
5.81
1.00
#18
11
Wren WARNE-JACOBSEN USA
48.21
25.84
22.37
5.50
5.81
5.50
0.00
#14
12
Natalie ROCCATANI CAN
48.19
26.91
21.28
5.50
5.19
5.31
0.00
#6
13
Maryn PIERCE USA
44.11
20.99
23.12
5.81
5.88
5.69
0.00
#11
14
Ella V CHEN ISR
43.45
24.09
20.36
5.06
5.19
5.06
1.00
#15
15
Tara PRASAD IND
43.11
23.81
19.30
4.69
5.19
4.63
0.00
#19
16
Katherine KARON CAN
42.95
23.34
20.61
5.25
5.00
5.25
1.00
#1
17
Amanda HSU TPE
38.53
21.41
19.12
4.94
4.56
4.88
2.00
#3
18
Sophia DAYAN ARG
32.19
15.65
18.54
4.94
4.56
4.44
2.00
#12

1
Lindsay THORNGREN USA
132.73
70.15
62.58
8.00
7.75
7.69
0.00
#17
2
Ava ZIEGLER USA
115.67
59.43
58.24
7.31
7.25
7.25
2.00
#18
3
Sonja HILMER USA
112.18
59.11
53.07
6.75
6.69
6.44
0.00
#11
4
Sarah EVERHARDT USA
108.73
58.14
51.59
6.50
6.19
6.63
1.00
#13
5
Kaiya RUITER CAN
108.24
52.14
56.10
7.19
6.88
6.94
0.00
#14
6
Elyce LIN-GRACEY USA
103.88
54.82
51.06
6.56
6.06
6.50
2.00
#16
7
Fiona BOMBARDIER CAN
95.39
49.00
47.39
5.94
5.81
6.00
1.00
#10
8
Katherine MEDLAND SPENCE CAN
93.76
48.69
47.07
6.00
5.75
5.88
2.00
#9
9
Clare SEO USA
91.99
43.42
51.57
6.56
6.19
6.56
3.00
#15
10
Amy Shao Ning YANG CAN
86.92
42.19
48.73
6.06
5.88
6.31
4.00
#12
11
Tara PRASAD IND
84.17
43.93
40.24
4.88
5.19
5.00
0.00
#4
12
Katherine KARON CAN
82.05
47.84
34.21
4.31
4.00
4.50
0.00
#3
13
Maryn PIERCE USA
81.16
37.77
43.39
5.31
5.38
5.56
0.00
#6
14
Wren WARNE-JACOBSEN USA
80.66
38.09
43.57
5.63
5.25
5.44
1.00
#8
15
Natalie ROCCATANI CAN
76.73
38.51
39.22
5.25
4.69
4.75
1.00
#7
16
Ella V CHEN ISR
71.64
34.93
38.71
4.69
4.75
5.06
2.00
#5
17
Sophia DAYAN ARG
59.18
29.62
31.56
3.94
3.75
4.13
2.00
#1
18
Amanda HSU TPE
58.69
28.50
30.19
3.81
3.44
4.06
0.00
#2

Looking at the PCS scores from 2021 JGP Courcheval where Kaiya, Lindsay, and Claire all scored similarly if not near identical scores. In the subsequent two years Lindsay’s PCS scores have gone way up but Kaiya’s have flat lined if not come down. I wonder to vault into that next category for higher PCS means money needed for niche choreography and music editing.

SnowWhite · Aug 22, 2023

Jumping_Bean said:
Ontario sectionals this weekend. They placed 5th, behind multiple teams without JGP assignments (Korneva/MacDonald, Bolender/Dotzert and Gover/Wilson-French), so God knows what Skate Canada is doing. Though they are one of the youngest teams in terms of eligibility (together with Carandiuc/Carandiuc and Gans/Boutsan, their last junior-eligible season will be in 2026/27), so maybe it's strategic planning for the future.

I think this is the reason. I don't necessarily agree with all the dance choices, but the selections did make a lot more sense once I looked at a list with all the teams' ages. I believe Skate Canada normally draws a line at 2-3 years of eligibility left (ie. 2 or fewer / 3 or more), for things like NextGen team selection. And the JGP selections seem to follow that as well. Those younger teams are getting spots over other teams who've had higher scores because the bar isn't the same between them. I do get the strategy of investing in a few of the young teams, since it's beneficial when a team can spend a few seasons on the JGP and work their way up.

Years of junior eligibility left:

1 (this season only) : Lewis/McMillan, Nguyen/Giang, Martel/Oddson, Goodstadt/Bennett, Korneva/MacDonald, Fournier/Zhu, Pehl/Yu, Chung/MacKenzie
2 (this season and next) : Veillon/Brandys, Sabatini-Speciale/Buelow
3 (this season and next 2) : Cinçon-Debout/Celestino
4 (this season and next 3) : Carandiuc/Carandiuc, Kravets/Stark, Gans/Boutsan

*Gover/Wilson-French have either 1 or 2. Her bio on IDE says she was born in 2005, but idk which half of the year.
I don't know the ages for Bolender/Dotzert, so can't say where they fit in.

Right now we have:

2 spots for : Nguyen/Giang, Veillon/Brandys, Sabatini-Speciale/Buelow
1 spot for : Martel/Oddson, Goodstadt/Bennett, Carandiuc/Carandiuc, Kravets/Stark
4 spots left

If Lewis/McMillan are ready, presumably they'd get 2 of those 4 left, but idk how likely that is. Assuming they aren't in the picture, I think you'd want to have at least one for a 2nd spot for Martel/Oddson based on summer scores (could be changed to another team depending on how their first one goes). Which would leave 3 spots. Of the teams who haven't got a spot yet, I would give Korneva/MacDonald and Fournier/Zhu 1 each, then the last spot could be either a 2nd for whoever does the best of those two and Goodstadt/Bennett, or for one of the other teams without a spot yet (not sure which I'd pick). If L/M are ready, then I'd do 2 for them, a 2nd for M/O and 1 for K/M.

Jumping_Bean · Aug 22, 2023

SnowWhite said:
*Gover/Wilson-French have either 1 or 2. Her bio on IDE says she was born in 2005, but idk which half of the year.

Sophia was born on 8/9/2005.

NanaPat · Aug 22, 2023

Jumping_Bean said:
Sophia was born on 8/9/2005.

Fortunately it doesn't matter if that's Aug 9 or Sept 8!

Jumping_Bean · Aug 23, 2023

NanaPat said:
Fortunately it doesn't matter if that's Aug 9 or Sept 8!

Very true - I just copied it from her old Icepartnersearch profile, without thinking about it more. It's month-day-year, so August 9th.

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